Brooks

[Pollingtonblade]

Where has it been stated we're selling him?

 

[Ron_Justice]

Where has it been stated we're selling him?

If hasn't, just people fearful of past patterns repeating themselves, even though we have a manager at the helm that clearly does things differently to what has gone before. It's gonna take years to undo the 'we're a selling club' expectations...

 

[Gimli]

So are you saying you think Brooks is destined to be an England international playing for a top 6 club?
Last time I heard these types of comments that we had a future England international was Che Adams.
He's really talented and we need to develope him but there's a long way to go.
Looking forward to seeing him in
action next season.

There is a long way to go I definitely agree. I can see the same potential as we saw in Walker but I'm not a scout and I'm certainly not able to predict the future so who knows. I'd just be disappointed if we did well him.

 

[Grizzly blade]

Couple of points.

If this lad has the skills, touch, vision and pace the strength will come. No need to go hammering the weights to bulk him up, just lots of reps and sets of low weights and work on core.

As for not being strong enough for next season, and being bullied....I don't subscribe to that if he is played in a wider role. It's not like he will be in the middle of midfield or defence where that could happen. Play him wide and isolate him against full backs....that's the trick.
But also, playing against stronger older men will bring him on quicker. He will learn to deal with the difference in strength and develop other techniques and strategies to cope.

If he's good enough he's old enough. Yes he will get kicked, and yes he will get hurt but it's also key that he has the right attitude to deal with that and not let it affect him.


I'm thinking he's going nowhere, he will be part of the squad and will be in the cup team plus the bench for the league teams. If we are out of the cups then I reckon he will go out on loan in January as long as that side will practically guarantee he's a starter every week.
So in other words, Chesterfield can have him providing he's going to play every week for at least half an hour.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

I know it was only Stocksbridge today but Brooks was class, took his goals excellently. Can see why Wilder withdrew his loan at Chesvegas, think he'll have a part to play next season until we sell him for a pittance.

Good to hear! Btw - no such word as "excellently" - appreciate RS Sports presenters use it - but there's no such word in the English language.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

Two very well-taken goals today and he also showed his class in a number of areas. Played in the spot behind the strikers. Looked a real class act.

I thought that "spot" was a "hole"?

 

[Small Mendonca]

Good to hear! Btw - no such word as "excellently" - appreciate RS Sports presenters use it - but there's no such word in the English language.

I'm an RS Sports presenter

 

[grafikhaus]

Well Man City produced him, then released him at 16. We've just brought him on from there.

Do Man. City have a sell-on clause?

Unfortunately money talks everywhere in football. Everton selling Lukaku for £75m shows how silly it is.

Oh I'm sure Rooney will make a hole in that...

 

[Shalalalafenoughty]

Good to hear! Btw - no such word as "excellently" - appreciate RS Sports presenters use it - but there's no such word in the English language.

There's no such word as "btw" - appreciate all sorts of people use it, of course.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

I'm an RS Sports presenter

That's ok then - carry on.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

There's no such word as "btw" - appreciate all sorts of people use it, of course.

Correct! It's an abbreviation, meaning "by the way", but it's another unfortunate bastardisation of the English language I agree. LOL!

 

[Cerberus Blade]

Just thinking back now to last season, maybe around November time...I posted something on here about David Brooks, based on what I'd heard about the lad, saying it would be good to see him getting in and around the first team. I don't remember anywhere near this level of enthusiasm for that suggestion at the time. I remember one or two folks commenting in support of that, but nothing like this now. All of a sudden he's become the next "Tony Currie" - so what's changed?

He's had a good tournament with England in Toulon and a good game against Stocksbridge Steels yesterday admittedly. But, bearing in mind very few of us have actually seen much of him at all, is this latest burst of "Brooks Fever" justified? Or are we all desperately looking for the next hero to emerge through the ranks and wanting to make him the one, regardless?

Don't get me wrong - I think it's great the lad is getting the recognition he deserves - but I just don't understand where all this hype has suddenly come from and I hope the expectations on him aren't too much, too soon.

 

[Rodley]

This is a thread for the wrist slitters.

The wailing from babies subsided for a couple of days after Stearman signing, but it's back again now!

 

[8lade]

'Letting' our young players leave for a million quid a pop, I thought I'd check out what the probable compensation would be if they allowed their contracts to expire; in short if you are lucky you will ultimately get a million for a player irrespective of talent, the only exception to this is if you are a Premiership team losing (in this case) an established Premiership striker (Danny Ings) where the compensation was still a derisory 6.5 - 8 million quid. Whichever way you look at it once the player's head has been turned it's over.
http://fullcontactlaw.co.uk/2016/11/compensation-players-24-mystery/

 

[boo radley]

Number 10 isn't only an attacking, technical role. There's the defensive side, the closing down and the requirement to work hard, certainly in our team. I see him as a number 10 eventually and I agree he's fearless - it's a great attribute of his, he lets nothing discourage him - but he's still very slight and inexperienced, and I'd rather see him eased in from wide than thrown into the more condensed area in the middle of the pitch. Playing number 10 is a big responsibility in our system as there are no attacking wingers to provide assistance. Putting him out wide could give him a bit more space, less responsibility and let him focus on what he's good at. He could be very effective drifting in from the right.

If we're playing 3-5-2 all the time then we could either give him a go at number 10, or play with two attacking midfielders supporting a centre forward. That's something I'd like to see, with the right players it could be excellent. Brooks and Holmes supporting a good centre forward for example. If the attacking midfielders are flexible and chip in with goals it gives you a bit of everything.

I have no idea about Mr Brooks but what I don't like is that you have an idea that a player playing wider has less responsibilities. In this team they all have equal responsibilities, (as they should have in any team). That was quite clear last season and I'm sure management will also make it clear.
Hope the lad turns out to be as good as the excitement on here.

 

[blade too long]

If we do sell him I'd be disappointed with anything less than 5mil

yes if everton ask 100m, for lukaku they can afford 5 to 8 million for Babbling

 

[Grizzly blade]

Do Man. City have a sell-on clause?


Oh I'm sure Rooney will make a hole in that...

If City released him then they relinquish any future value he may accrue after that.

I understand he came at 16 as a youth scholar. So he will have been released by city at under 16's unless United paid to sign him, which is unlikely considering City are a level one academy and us a level two.

 

[FTPE]

I've got to admit it's depressing as hell reading about how much money we will make on him already.

 

[blade too long]

Correct! It's an abbreviation, meaning "by the way", but it's another unfortunate bastardisation of the English language I agree. LOL!

why is abbreviation such a long word ?

 

[Ricky]

I have no idea about Mr Brooks but what I don't like is that you have an idea that a player playing wider has less responsibilities. In this team they all have equal responsibilities, (as they should have in any team). That was quite clear last season and I'm sure management will also make it clear.
Hope the lad turns out to be as good as the excitement on here.

Number 10 in the 3-5-2/3-4-1-2 is the sole link from midfield to attack, the only dedicated attacking midfielder. A wide player in a 4-2-3-1 is one of 3 attacking midfielders and still has the cover of the central midfield 2 as well as a full back behind him. That's a definite difference in attacking responsibility. Also defensive responsibility IMO, as out wide there's less lateral space to potentially have to cover and it's simpler defending in wide areas than centrally.
In terms of work rate, they'd all be expected to give 100% regardless of position.

 

[FTPE]

Number 10 in the 3-5-2/3-4-1-2 is the sole link from midfield to attack, the only dedicated attacking midfielder. A wide player in a 4-2-3-1 is one of 3 attacking midfielders and still has the cover of the central midfield 2 as well as a full back behind him. That's a definite difference in attacking responsibility. Also defensive responsibility IMO, as out wide there's less lateral space to potentially have to cover and it's simpler defending in wide areas than centrally.
In terms of work rate, they'd all be expected to give 100% regardless of position.

What's expected of a number 10 must be different slightly depending on who he's playing with though. I'm sure you can have a number 10 when you play 4-2-3-1 but if the 3 players in the middle are Fleck and Carruthers then the number 10s work rate(especially if it's another little guy like Brooks) has to be huge.
What I'm getting at is, our midfield is too similar and too small to play Brooks in the role id prefer him in.

 

[grafikhaus]

If City released him then they relinquish any future value he may accrue after that.

I was being slightly tongue-in-cheek. Imagne if we had to pay Man. City...

 

[Ricky]

What's expected of a number 10 must be different slightly depending on who he's playing with though. I'm sure you can have a number 10 when you play 4-2-3-1 but if the 3 players in the middle are Fleck and Carruthers then the number 10s work rate(especially if it's another little guy like Brooks) has to be huge.
What I'm getting at is, our midfield is too similar and too small to play Brooks in the role id prefer him in.

There a plenty of variables, having two hardworking strikers could reduce the amount of pressing/closing down required from him for example. Done probably helped Duffy in this way last season.

I'm not suggesting Brooks has a poor work rate btw, I just think he's a pure attacking player who's not a natural to defending.

 

[John Street West Terrace]

Six fuckin' seasons in the third divison was the benefit.

Selling Walker as part of a BOGOF deal with Naughton seemed like suicidal business at the time to most of us ......

Just want to be absolutely crystal here lads I'm not or did ever did advocate their sale the complete fucking opposite it fact with me !!!!
Hence that's why I said let's keep Brooks .
I was trying to surmise the decision that has to be made when a big offer comes in for a young player . In an ideal world we'd keep em all but the fact is they all don't turn into the potential we thought they'd have and were sold ie. . Woodhouse , Slew etc. and others go on to be top top players Walker ,Naughton . the Ramsdale sale last season might one day come back to bite us in the arse ??
As I said in the quote I think a lot depends on the timing of a bid or when circumstances dictated i.e. we'd just lost a play off final and missed out on £100m plus cash windfall from Premier League .
Re Walker / Naughton without being an accountant I'm guessing McCabe and the board did it to balance the books & I agree unbelievably short sighted ,, but I know not many first division clubs would have had the financial clout to tell Spurs or whoever to FO with their £10m after we'd dipped on promotion & had big earners like Beattie on big bucks contracts.
I would have thought with us being a club on the up at the moment we'll say no thanks or I hope we would but you never know with our lot , I would have thought though at the present CW is holding all the aces ??? , , this why on here it does my fuckin nut in when ppl are are clamouring for marquee signings & a shit or bust approach .. when it goes wrong the result sales of the likes of above .

 

[Sharrow Snuff Mill]

I think he looks like a real talent. Offer him a full professional contract with a release clause of £10m...

Make that £20m. Look at the eye-watering sums being offered for bang average players by prem clubs at the moment.

 

[Kabba Kabba Doo]

Forest played a lot of kids towards the end of last season, so it is possible to give the youth a chance in the championship and survive, hopefully the likes of Brooks, Graham, Semple and Whiteman will be able to push Wilder in to some tough decisions of getting them in the side, as long as they stick around of course!

 

[FTPE]

There a plenty of variables, having two hardworking strikers could reduce the amount of pressing/closing down required from him for example. Done probably helped Duffy in this way last season.

I'm not suggesting Brooks has a poor work rate btw, I just think he's a pure attacking player who's not a natural to defending.

That's a very good point.
When Done's goals dried up people wanted him replaced straight away but I thought his work rate was invaluable.
If Wilder starts with Clarke, even if Ched or Sharp work their backsides off it'll put top much pressure on Brooks to track back and close players down for my liking.
I'm sure he's not going to turn into a luxury player, Barca have brilliant small players who press and close down but he's so raw I want him to be able to concentrate on his strengths for a while first

 

[Hodgyman]

Just to elaborate on my earlier assessment of young Brookes. He does have the skills that should come as standard, but the comparison with TC was also about his confidence, audacity in what he attempts, almost a swagger and unpredictability in what he does with the ball.

 

[BushBlade]

Couldn't read all of this but my view is that Wilder will give all our decent academy players a chance when he feels he can. It's crazy to sell them now when a handful of good championship performances could treble their value.

 

[Barney]

wtf, brooks is a good prospect, but that's it at the moment. Not strong enough for the championship, same as Reed. Good players for there age but would get bullied week in, week out in the Championship or above. Go on, prove me wrong next season, I want him too. But I don't think he will.

Lionel Messi? In no way am I directly comparing the Barcelona forward to Brooks (of course). But I do however think he can be used as an example to show that if you have the pace and technical ability, physicality can more or less go out of the window.