Budget for next season

[Blade58]

You brought the £2 million into play, I would imagine a a 2m player would want a fair size contract and wage. I think CW wants a close knit squad wouldn't that size of fee and contract disrupt that. He has said they will bring players in it didn't sound as if big fee signings were part of the plan, might be bluffing who knows.

Possibly, but we are moving up a league. Surely we don't expect to be paying league 1 salaries in the Championship?

Everything is relative. In the Championship you pay Championship salaries or face the possibility of paying league 1 salaries because you have a league 1 team and ending up with league 1 results

We don't want to be making the numbers up that's for sure

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

Undisclosed as it should be!

I do think if you let it known in the public domain , other clubs , agents , players try to lift your leg .

The percentage of the budget will not go on transfer fees , but wages and length of contracts .

Personally I would hate us to piss money up the wall on a big money signing . Under Wilder I just cannot see this happening .

I also think that they will be more in comings and outgoings than we will ever imagine . ( even some shocks )

Wilder will keep the spine , but with a major rebuild .

How much money - not really bothered as McCabe & Co will do as they are told .

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

This is an interesting subject because I always find it staggering how far apart people are in their estimates of what Championship wage budgets are nowadays.

I heard somewhere a year ago that our wage budget this season would be £6m. Let's just assume for arguments sake that it was...by trebling that figure my understanding is that we would still be in the bottom third of Championship wage budgets. Eye watering.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

Absolute rubbish.
There are no way more than half the current squad will get anywhere near a squad place next season unless we are looking at an immediate return to the pub league.
I conclude you have absolutely no idea how good a lot of our squad actually is and how much better they will need to be next season to challenge at the top of the league.
You're totally clueless mate.

Just said on a different thread , there will be some shocks at the Lane with incoming and outgoings . I can see a rebuild happening . Squad have done fantastic but no sentiment in football . They will be major changes , as some ain't good enough to make the step up . These players will be compensated accordingly for there contribution and efforts this season.

To use a benchmark I would rather use S6 than Burton.

The gentlemans agreement at The Lane will be fuck consolidation , let's go for it .

Expect upheaval or we go backwards or stand still .

Sean , I am not pissed or named Kev.

 

[CopenhagenBlade]

Despite Leicester last year and loads of examples of players going for big money and not producing the goods and the fact that one of our players of the year, Fleck, cost nothing, there are still some that won't be satisfied unless we spend big.
The important part is the team not the individual. Decide the system that we want to play and then buy the players to suit the system, whatever they cost. For example, if we are going to play 4-4-2, then I would say that we need a new right back and midfielder, as I think Freeman is best suited to 5 at the back.
I think people will be disappointed if they think we are going out to sign players who cost over 2million. The budget will be bigger but controlled and CW will have to be smart in the market

 

[derryblade]

Possibly, but we are moving up a league. Surely we don't expect to be paying league 1 salaries in the Championship?

Everything is relative. In the Championship you pay Championship salaries or face the possibility of paying league 1 salaries because you have a league 1 team and ending up with league 1 results

We don't want to be making the numbers up that's for sure

We will get a clue to the size of our budget when CW makes his signings. Some of the wages and salary totals are unbelievable in the Championship. Birmingham and Brighton £18 million, Derby £14.5 and Huddersfield £11.5 they are not the highest and these were from 2015. As far as wages go Championship is a different ball game, wasn't our wage bill in the £20 million area during our Championship days don't see KM repeating that.

 

[yorkshirecoast]

However crap the Championship might look on tv at times, it clearly is a fair step up from L1 standard. I think we need 4 or 5 good quality signings to compete. Do I think the Board will provide the necessary funds? No.
I'm still hoping the Chinese links lead to more substantial investment but there's no sign of that at the moment.

 

[BladeInIreland]

we don't have the money to buy our way out of the championship, so we may as well invest across a few players as opposed to just a couple of big name, big wage signings. Simililar to last summer just scaled up. 4 or 5 (being optimistic) million pound players or just shy or just more. The rest of the gaps either filled with any suitable players from the academy, quality free agents or loans from premier league clubs.

 

[Blade58]

We will get a clue to the size of our budget when CW makes his signings. Some of the wages and salary totals are unbelievable in the Championship. Birmingham and Brighton £18 million, Derby £14.5 and Huddersfield £11.5 they are not the highest and these were from 2015. As far as wages go Championship is a different ball game, wasn't our wage bill in the £20 million area during our Championship days don't see KM repeating that.

tbh, neither do I. But in order to compete and the mumblings from the board that we will, we have to raise the budget considerably. It's no good expecting Wilder to perform miracles. It won't happen and we certainly don't want a relegation battle on our hands and of course undoing all the good work of this season especially after getting the fanbase back on side.

I am fairly optimistic for next season, but that can be quickly undone if the board don't give him the tools to at least make us competitive

 

[derryblade]

I watch most Championship games on Sky and there are some good sides and it certainly won't be a walk in the park. We might have a better idea of how we would compete against Championship side if we had actually played some in the cups. We haven't so it will be new ground for CW and the players, I'll wait and see.

 

[wizadry]

If we could somehow keep hold of our best players and bring in two or three then that would be brilliant for starters no matter what the budget is.

It will be a tough ask though as I'm pretty sure there will be plenty of takers for our better players after this season's performances?

Interesting times ahead with some tough, vital and critical decisions needed to be made.

 

[RMBlade]

I would imagine we will have an average budget for the league. We certainly won't have a budget in the region of pigs, villa (20th biggest wage bill in Europe this season), the 3 relegated sides etc.

I would assume we will have the biggest budget out of the teams that get promoted.

I don't think it will be a huge budget but certainly enough for CW to make us competitive.

 

[coolhandluke]

10 million and I'd be both happy and surprised .

 

[veganblade]

Barnsley are the exemplar; close knit squad with sensible spending, consolidated in mid table.

 

[melinos]

Derby fan here congratulating you on promotion. Good to have you back. I’m interested in this thread & to put things in perspective the Championship has gone financially mental in the last 12 months. Our wage bill is now over £30m & we can’t compete with the Newcastle’s & Villa’s of this league. Bournemouth & Brighton could be looked at as an example of how it can be done but the reality is they both spent millions on either wages or transfer fees. Bristol City’s owners were astonished by the transfer fees – Andre Gray being an example. It’s brutal in the Championship, too many teams chasing the premiership ‘dream’, but still great fun – oh & don’t forget the masses of games moved for TV !!

 

[blade67]

We'll sign at least 6 players, and possibly as many as 8.

We'll be losing Scougall, McNulty, Hussey, EEL, Chapman and probably Long, Brayford, Done, O'Shea and Wilson.

Anyone who thinks we'll only sign 3 or 4 is cuckoo. Losing 8 of the 10 above would leave us with about 15 established first team players.

We'll need a decent budget but plenty of room will be created by moving on many of those above.

This.

There will be 6 or 7 leaving and CW needs to sign 6 or 7 championship quality players to replace them. So plenty of work to do as hell want to tie down a few of the current squad to longer deals as well I think.

 

[blade too long]

To me, he was clearly talking about first teamers.

theres some that arent regulars , who have played 15 or less that could be let go, and theres always 1 or 2 that come as a surprise when CW and Knill will see a need for someone better, but dont see many of last weekends starting 11 leaving, Doesnt mean theyll play every week next season but will be in the squad.
Teams like Chelsea need spade work players whod have thought Moses would be so key to them winning the title , one lad here whos a Chelsea fan was fuming when he started getting picked , different tune now though , Some of our grafters will stay as every team needs them

 

[blade too long]

Derby fan here congratulating you on promotion. Good to have you back. I’m interested in this thread & to put things in perspective the Championship has gone financially mental in the last 12 months. Our wage bill is now over £30m & we can’t compete with the Newcastle’s & Villa’s of this league. Bournemouth & Brighton could be looked at as an example of how it can be done but the reality is they both spent millions on either wages or transfer fees. Bristol City’s owners were astonished by the transfer fees – Andre Gray being an example. It’s brutal in the Championship, too many teams chasing the premiership ‘dream’, but still great fun – oh & don’t forget the masses of games moved for TV !!

tio be fair you took brolly man back , never go back
moving games hasnt affected us weve had one saturday home game in the last 2 months of the season and will have played in every day of the week in the last 8 weeks of the season

 

[WORKSOPBLADE]

Brayford for me will be a marker. Assuming it was a financial not "bad egg" decision to allow him to go on loan.

If he brings him back in the fould v early and states he's a part of our plans it will indicate our wage structure philosophy. Apart from Billy I don't think any current player will be anywhere close to his wages. Team spirit is obviously sky high and to maintain that means a certain level of wage equality is needed.

If JB is part of the squad it will presumably mean more high earners will be brought in and a few current contracted players having decent pay rises.

Not discussed and moved on for financial reasons may indicate a more frugal approach appropriate to L1 but not necessarily to the championship.

 

[Bladezz]

Upon looking at our squad I believe 11 players will move on, so I would imagine we would be trying to sign something similar, if not more.

Our budget will largely determine where we finish, like it does every other club.

 

[Ricky]

Brayford for me will be a marker. Assuming it was a financial not "bad egg" decision to allow him to go on loan.

If he brings him back in the fould v early and states he's a part of our plans it will indicate our wage structure philosophy. Apart from Billy I don't think any current player will be anywhere close to his wages. Team spirit is obviously sky high and to maintain that means a certain level of wage equality is needed.

If JB is part of the squad it will presumably mean more high earners will be brought in and a few current contracted players having decent pay rises.

Not discussed and moved on for financial reasons may indicate a more frugal approach appropriate to L1 but not necessarily to the championship.

Even if the budget is good Brayford could still be moved on for financial reasons. Saving on his wage would still make a difference, and we could get better value for money. It could even be purely a football decision to move him on. There's no place in the team for him anywhere now as far as I'm concerned. So I don't necessarily think it'll be a big indicator.

 

[WORKSOPBLADE]

Even if the budget is good Brayford could still be moved on for financial reasons. Saving on his wage would still make a difference, and we could get better value for money. It could even be purely a football decision to move him on. There's no place in the team for him anywhere now as far as I'm concerned. So I don't necessary think it'll be a big indicator.

He's been playing CB in a 3 in the championship and that's a position we need filling.

 

[Bladezz]

He's been playing CB in a 3 in the championship and that's a position we need filling.

I much prefer Basham in the right sided role than Brayford. Not saying Brayford is bad at that role, but I think we could do better economically. We cannot have Brayford on X amount of wages and not playing.

 

[Ricky]

He's been playing CB in a 3 in the championship and that's a position we need filling.

Don't think Wilder will fancy him at RCB. Not sure he fancies him generally.

I'd go with Basham ahead of him there, and Basham will surely be given the chance, he's more than earned it, and I think he can rise to it.

If not Basham then somebody else better than Brayford.

You've got to consider that without Daddy Nigel he's likely to put in 25% less effort, so even if he has done well at RCB this season, it's not necessarily a reflection of how he'd perform for us.

 

[WORKSOPBLADE]

Be an interesting decision anyway. Would expect CW to announce either way quite quickly after season end, along with rest of retained list.

He'll not mess players about imo.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

About another £2.5m on the wage bill. Between £3m to £5m in transfer fees. So £5.5m to £7.5m in total.

Maybe about £4/5m more than it would be if still in L1. I think that's reasonable.

I think you’re probably in the right sort of ball park. However, I suspect a chunk of that £2.5 million will be automatically gone. The club have made a lot of noise this season about (quite rightly) heavily incentivised contracts being given to players. Going up as champions will cost us a chunk of what it earns us in rewarding those players with bonuses and pay rises as championship players. Therefore, we’ll need to be fairly ruthless in offloading those who are unlikely to feature (Scougall, Hussey, McNulty, Done, possibly Clarke and Wilson, making a decision on O’Shea, Chapman and EEL going back etc. Then there’s the Brayford dilemma) in order to create space in the wage bill for the players being brought in with that transfer fee money. I reckon it’ll be something like 5 or 6 contracted players and the 2 loans leaving the club with say 3 permanent arrivals and 2 loans coming in. I would expect the most expensive of the arrivals to cost somewhere between £1-2 million in terms of a transfer fee probably on par with Brighton’s signing of Jamie Murphy, Birmingham singing Che Adams etc.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Really? Really?
OK
Name all those who are currently with us who will push on for top 6 next season.

I think any half decent player can be a member of a successful side. It’s about those 2 or 3 that are above that standard. The matchwinners. The likes of Fleck, Duffy and Sharp have provided that individual quality this season. Out of those, I think only Fleck is likely to be able to do that in the championship (though I suspect Duffy and Sharp will still contribute). I think we need a quality striker who, at championship level, stands out like Billy has at this level. That will be very difficult and probably very expensive to achieve. We need to try to unearth a striker like the next Andre Gray, Tammy Abraham etc. from somewhere. If we do that, we have a chance of competing at the right end IMO as many of our squad can compete. It’s about that extra bit of quality. Players like Basham, Freeman, Lafferty, Coutts, JOC* and possibly Wright could all do OK so long as they have those 2 or 3 that can take the team to the next level.


I’d say JOC is already next level but as a defender, not one of the matchwinner types I was referring to.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

So if a player is valued at £2m derry and Wilder wants that player and agrees with the valuation then that player is not deemed over the odds, so will he be able to go for him?

I suppose the question is whether Wilder has a Championship budget or not ( I would suggest he does btw)

I think it will be higher than Burton, Barnsley and probably the 2 that go up with us. Might be similar to teams like Ipswich, Cardiff, Brentford, etc. I don’t think it will be a top half budget but hopefully enough, coupled with the managerial ability and the momentum of this season to see us clear of a dogfight.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Absolute rubbish.
There are no way more than half the current squad will get anywhere near a squad place next season unless we are looking at an immediate return to the pub league.
I conclude you have absolutely no idea how good a lot of our squad actually is and how much better they will need to be next season to challenge at the top of the league.
You're totally clueless mate.

Do you really expect us to challenge at the top of the league? No way we will be able to compete financially with at least half of the division. Mid table would be an impressive achievement.

If we get in the top 6, Wilder will have performed a miracle and should be handed the keys to the city. We all want it but to get there, we would have to punch massively above our weight financially IMO

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Wednesday stayed up without adding too many first season

21 new signings in their first season back (albeit some on loan). I'd say that was a fairly significant overhaul. And they only just stayed up.

22 if you include making Antonio's loan permanent.