Cost of admission 2017/18

[Minty]

All i know is gas and electricity cost's have sky rocketed since we were in the Premier League,,,,,,,,,,,grabbin basterds.

Hasn't everything................apart from ticket prices at BDTBL?

 

[Sheffsteel]

I'd rather pay £600 for quality than £300 for shit
That goes for all aspects of my life

If I see something I want but it is expensive I don't go and buy something cheaper and think "That'll do, a coats a coat innit" "A shirts a shirt innit"
I wait until I can justify spending the cash on it by cutting back on going out boozing and stuff for a few weeks.

If United can sign better quality players, players that we know full well have real talent that could get us promoted to the Premier League I'd actually chuck double the amount at a season ticket rather than £350 to watch shit getting hammered every week

But the extra cash would come from me cutting back or giving up something else

Jesus Christ, what would our fans do if they had a European trip to pay for every few weeks. It'd be embarrassing listening to them

And here you have the answer as to why Billionaire Chairmen have no interest in Sheffield United, market research tells them that Sheffield is full of cheapskates that wouldn't support their ambitious plans with cash of their own

Good post, raised some real issues there.

Agree, Sheffield has this traditional reputation of folk stuck in their ways NOT willing to pay for quality.
Also anything ambitious tends to get negative feedback and is instantly doomed to failure.

 

[Finn Keane o' Balmaqueen]

And here you have the answer as to why Billionaire Chairmen have no interest in Sheffield United, market research tells them that Sheffield is full of cheapskates that wouldn't support their ambitious plans with cash of their own

So.

I'm a bit confused by this.

Why have The Pigs got a Billionaire Chairman who's throwing money around and we haven't?
Are you saying it's just the United supporters who are 'cheapskates' ?
Market Research... who. where, when...

Help me out.

 

[Tyler Durden]

I'd rather pay £600 for quality than £300 for shit
That goes for all aspects of my life

If I see something I want but it is expensive I don't go and buy something cheaper and think "That'll do, a coats a coat innit" "A shirts a shirt innit"
I wait until I can justify spending the cash on it by cutting back on going out boozing and stuff for a few weeks.

If United can sign better quality players, players that we know full well have real talent that could get us promoted to the Premier League I'd actually chuck double the amount at a season ticket rather than £350 to watch shit getting hammered every week

But the extra cash would come from me cutting back or giving up something else

Jesus Christ, what would our fans do if they had a European trip to pay for every few weeks. It'd be embarrassing listening to them

And here you have the answer as to why Billionaire Chairmen have no interest in Sheffield United, market research tells them that Sheffield is full of cheapskates that wouldn't support their ambitious plans with cash of their own

Yes, lets just ignore all socio-economic factors and make the assumption that the only reason everyone isn't throwing hundreds of pounds around is because "they don't want it enough".

Utter bollocks.

 

[Finn Keane o' Balmaqueen]

Thing is....

Until the end of the season, you don't know what you've spent your money on.

All down to chance.

So, will ya or won't ya?
What's the Saturday/Tuesday alternatives?

 

[JJBlade]

So.

I'm a bit confused by this.

Why have The Pigs got a Billionaire Chairman who's throwing money around and we haven't?
Are you saying it's just the United supporters who are 'cheapskates' ?
Market Research... who. where, when...

Help me out.

I'm willing to pay extra for quality, most are not. That's all I'm saying
I understand, like it or not that quality costs money, most don't seem to understand this

We have a club that's been completely left behind because any new owners know that they cannot take the club much further because the fans wouldn't help out sufficiently. They turn up because it's cheap. McCabe knows this and so we are stuck in a never ending cycle of ordinariness with an occasional smattering of grit and hard work and endeavour every 20 years or so giving us a very average season as opposed to a shit season. No skill or talent just grit and hard work every so often.
Wonderful !!!!!!

Have you ever looked around the streets of Sheffield City Centre and wondered why Englands fourth largest city has a City Centre whose major retailers are Primark, TJ Hughes, Wetherspoons, dirty filthy bars, crap restaurants, no head offices, no major regional offices for any company of any kind, no insurance or financial companies, and more empty space than any other major city. That's not too mention the Dirty filthy bookmakers with life's losers sat outside them with a can of Special Brew.
It's because quality retailers know from market research not to invest here, it would be a waste of money, because very few people would use them

 

[TJB.]

I'm willing to pay extra for quality, most are not. That's all I'm saying
I understand, like it or not that quality costs money, most don't seem to understand this

You can't just come up with a generalisation and present it as fact. What utter tosh.

They turn up because it's cheap.

More bollocks. Besides the fact that we turn up because it's our club, how difficult was it to get a ticket in our most recent Premier League season? And how much were tickets? I know they weren't bloody cheap because I was a kid trying to get to as many games as possible on a paper round wage, and my money didn't stretch very far.

Any insinuation that Unitedites only turn up because it's cheap is insulting, quite frankly.

Have you ever looked around the streets of Sheffield City Centre and wondered why Englands fourth largest city has a City Centre whose major retailers are Primark, TJ Hughes, Wetherspoons, dirty filthy bars, crap restaurants, no head offices, no major regional offices for any company of any kind, no insurance or financial companies, and more empty space than any other major city. That's not too mention the Dirty filthy bookmakers with life's losers sat outside them with a can of Special Brew

I'll give you the point about the financial companies and head offices etc, but find me a city where those companies aren't major retailers? The Primark's in London, Manchester and Bristol are huge. Yes we've been left behind somewhat on the retail side, but it is changing.

No idea what you're on about with the 'dirty filthy bars' comment. And there are some cracking restaurants in the city centre.

 

[Minty]

[QUOTE="JJBlade, post: 1199023, member: 3378"

no head offices, no major regional offices for any company of any kind, no insurance or financial companies, and more empty space than any other major city.[/QUOTE]

Compared to other major cities it's not great JJ but there are large occupiers such as Aviva, HSBC, DLA solicitors, Irwin Mitchell, Arup Group, Carrillion, Capita, Plusnet, William Hill, AON, RBS, Barclays etc etc.

I get your point but things in Sheffield have improved considerably in a commercial sense although the retail offer is still dire in the city centre

 

[awblade]

I am not being brainwashed into thinking I need to pay extortionate ticket prices. Got better things to do with my money than throw it away. This is a whole English football problem though and until FA sort it out, they won't as they make money out of it too, nothing will change.

Onto what we will do, I'd expect a bit of a increase if we go up, but not too significant

 

[Sheffsteel]

Tomjones,

I've visited Leeds, Manchester and Liverpool, Newcastle city centres and they are on another planet (regards wealth and investment) compared to our city centre. If you go into those cities by train you see plenty of tall cranes, meaning buildings are being built but there's hardly any cranes in Sheffield.

We're comparable to big towns not big cities. Appreciate sweeping generalisations can be dangerous and inaccurate but I also agree with the generalisation that Sheffield is 20 years behind those cities. In the city centre there are loads of pawn shops, 2nd hand shops, Poundland, Poundstetcher types.

The issue I have about JJ's theory is that football isn't a normal entertainments industry.
You can pay expensive prices becuase you prefer quality but it doesn't gaurantee that you see quaility or success.

Traditionally football is cheap and seen more like a religion as you "support" your club.
Quality and success was a bonus NOT an expectation.
So if the product is cheap I'd go come what may with lower expectstions.
However increase prices and I become more demanding and expectations rise.

The problem is charge high prices and don't perform and I'd seriously consider NOT going.

It is very interesting point though.
If fans want success then how much are they willing to pay for it.
Morally I hate the idea of funding the current fashion of meeting the demands of greedy agents.

 

[mattbianco1]

I suggested a while back that the bl upper should be made season ticket only for United fans and that a first time buyer of a season ticket got a percentage reduction as a "new" season ticket holder... attracting new supporters with a one off incentive...

Existing season ticket holders didn't like the idea if I remember rightly...

Bit like sky offering free TVs to someone off the street but not me who's paid £80 a month for 10yrs

 

[coolhandluke]

I'm willing to pay extra for quality, most are not. That's all I'm saying
I understand, like it or not that quality costs money, most don't seem to understand this

We have a club that's been completely left behind because any new owners know that they cannot take the club much further because the fans wouldn't help out sufficiently. They turn up because it's cheap. McCabe knows this and so we are stuck in a never ending cycle of ordinariness with an occasional smattering of grit and hard work and endeavour every 20 years or so giving us a very average season as opposed to a shit season. No skill or talent just grit and hard work every so often.
Wonderful !!!!!!

Have you ever looked around the streets of Sheffield City Centre and wondered why Englands fourth largest city has a City Centre whose major retailers are Primark, TJ Hughes, Wetherspoons, dirty filthy bars, crap restaurants, no head offices, no major regional offices for any company of any kind, no insurance or financial companies, and more empty space than any other major city. That's not too mention the Dirty filthy bookmakers with life's losers sat outside them with a can of Special Brew.
It's because quality retailers know from market research not to invest here, it would be a waste of money, because very few people would use them

JJ , gate receipts ceased being the sole/main arbiter of on the field success in football decades ago .

Catch up mate , being stuck in a time warp makes you sound like Sheffield City Council

 

[Muttley]

I think the 10% discount will be scrapped along with a further 10% increase. If we go up of course.

 

[Maidenhead]

Have you ever looked around the streets of Sheffield City Centre and wondered why Englands fourth largest city has a City Centre whose major retailers are Primark, TJ Hughes, Wetherspoons, dirty filthy bars, crap restaurants, no head offices, no major regional offices for any company of any kind, no insurance or financial companies, and more empty space than any other major city. That's not too mention the Dirty filthy bookmakers with life's losers sat outside them with a can of Special Brew.
It's because quality retailers know from market research not to invest here, it would be a waste of money, because very few people would use them

Nothing to do with a nice modern indoor shopping centre about a six minute train ride away where you can shop at the more top end retailers in comfort and warmth?

 

[Maidenhead]

Tomjones,

I've visited Leeds, Manchester and Liverpool, Newcastle city centres and they are on another planet (regards wealth and investment) compared to our city centre. If you go into those cities by train you see plenty of tall cranes, meaning buildings are being built but there's hardly any cranes in Sheffield.

We're comparable to big towns not big cities. Appreciate sweeping generalisations can be dangerous and inaccurate but I also agree with the generalisation that Sheffield is 20 years behind those cities. In the city centre there are loads of pawn shops, 2nd hand shops, Poundland, Poundstetcher types.

The issue I have about JJ's theory is that football isn't a normal entertainments industry.
You can pay expensive prices becuase you prefer quality but it doesn't gaurantee that you see quaility or success.

Traditionally football is cheap and seen more like a religion as you "support" your club.
Quality and success was a bonus NOT an expectation.
So if the product is cheap I'd go come what may with lower expectstions.
However increase prices and I become more demanding and expectations rise.

The problem is charge high prices and don't perform and I'd seriously consider NOT going.

It is very interesting point though.
If fans want success then how much are they willing to pay for it.
Morally I hate the idea of funding the current fashion of meeting the demands of greedy agents.

Some good analogies there.

I'll bet JJBlade wouldn't go to a top end shop and hand them his £200 in the hope of getting a good quality coat but he might actually get last seasons unsold merchandise instead.

I know some people that would like cash machines to have a gamble button too

If season ticket prices were to rise by 50% but only 2 out of 3 ticket holders renewed the increase in income generated would be errrrrrrrmmmm NIL. An entirely possible scenario that would benefit who?

 

[TJB.]

Tomjones,

I've visited Leeds, Manchester and Liverpool, Newcastle city centres and they are on another planet (regards wealth and investment) compared to our city centre. If you go into those cities by train you see plenty of tall cranes, meaning buildings are being built but there's hardly any cranes in Sheffield.

We're comparable to big towns not big cities. Appreciate sweeping generalisations can be dangerous and inaccurate but I also agree with the generalisation that Sheffield is 20 years behind those cities. In the city centre there are loads of pawn shops, 2nd hand shops, Poundland, Poundstetcher types.

The issue I have about JJ's theory is that football isn't a normal entertainments industry.
You can pay expensive prices becuase you prefer quality but it doesn't gaurantee that you see quaility or success.

Traditionally football is cheap and seen more like a religion as you "support" your club.
Quality and success was a bonus NOT an expectation.
So if the product is cheap I'd go come what may with lower expectstions.
However increase prices and I become more demanding and expectations rise.

The problem is charge high prices and don't perform and I'd seriously consider NOT going.

It is very interesting point though.
If fans want success then how much are they willing to pay for it.
Morally I hate the idea of funding the current fashion of meeting the demands of greedy agents.

I lived in Manchester for three years and I've visited many other cities, including the ones you've mentioned. Manny has more than it's fair share of scabby bookies and pawn shops but I know it's miles ahead in terms of quality shopping and dining.

You can't ignore the history of a city, though. Traditionally the likes of Manc (cotton), Liverpool (docks), London (all sorts) etc all had their key industries quite central. Most of the steelworks were outside the city centre, meaning that much less of the population lived in the city centre over the years. This is only just starting to happen here, and as more people move in, the variety and quality of things available to consumers will increase.

But I digress. I still refute the point made that most SUFC fans are tight buggers! I've forked out a fortune over the years following United and it's nowt compared to many fans who are 20 or 30 years older than myself.

Regarding the fans having to fork out for success though... Ain't it funny how the likes of Munich and Dortmund manage to charge far less for their season tickets and achieve massively WITHOUT a lucrative TV deal on the scale of the Premier League?

 

[coolhandluke]

I lived in Manchester for three years and I've visited many other cities, including the ones you've mentioned. Manny has more than it's fair share of scabby bookies and pawn shops but I know it's miles ahead in terms of quality shopping and dining.

You can't ignore the history of a city, though. Traditionally the likes of Manc (cotton), Liverpool (docks), London (all sorts) etc all had their key industries quite central. Most of the steelworks were outside the city centre, meaning that much less of the population lived in the city centre over the years. This is only just starting to happen here, and as more people move in, the variety and quality of things available to consumers will increase.

But I digress. I still refute the point made that most SUFC fans are tight buggers! I've forked out a fortune over the years following United and it's nowt compared to many fans who are 20 or 30 years older than myself.

Regarding the fans having to fork out for success though... Ain't it funny how the likes of Munich and Dortmund manage to charge far less for their season tickets and achieve massively WITHOUT a lucrative TV deal on the scale of the Premier League?

Don't forget too that the cheapest season ticket on offer last season in the PL was at ......... Manchester City

 

[JJBlade]

Nothing to do with a nice modern indoor shopping centre about a six minute train ride away where you can shop at the more top end retailers in comfort and warmth?

No it isn't Maidenhead
In the same way that the Trinity Shopping Centre hasn't bankrupted Leeds City Centre
The same way the Trafford Centre hasn't bankrupted Manchester City Centre
The same way that the Metro Centre hasn't bankrupted Newcastle City Centre
The same way that the Bluewater Centre hasn't bankrupted London

Meadowhall is an excuse used by the City Council to try to hide their failures

Except they haven't failed, they have succeeded in providing exactly the sort of City they want for its preferred downtrodden citizens.
The lesser preferred fairly well off citizens can take their business elsewhere, Sheffield City Council wants nothing to do with these hoo haa henry types

 

[JJBlade]

JJ , gate receipts ceased being the sole/main arbiter of on the field success in football decades ago .

Catch up mate , being stuck in a time warp makes you sound like Sheffield City Council

Not in the Championship it isn't

 

[JJBlade]

[QUOTE="JJBlade, post: 1199023, member: 3378"

no head offices, no major regional offices for any company of any kind, no insurance or financial companies, and more empty space than any other major city.

Compared to other major cities it's not great JJ but there are large occupiers such as Aviva, HSBC, DLA solicitors, Irwin Mitchell, Arup Group, Carrillion, Capita, Plusnet, William Hill, AON, RBS, Barclays etc etc.

I get your point but things in Sheffield have improved considerably in a commercial sense although the retail offer is still dire in the city centre[/QUOTE]




It's getting a little better, especially in the legal sector
But the financial sector is abysmal
I'm an Independent Financial Adviser and Sheffield presence in the financial sector is embarrassing. It's non existent, I can't even complete my CPD without having to travel to other cities because not one single financial company provides any seminars in the Sheffield area.

Get a train to Leeds and Manchester at 9.00 am and tens of thousands of professional people representing dozens of professions are piling in from all over the place

Stand in Sheffield City Centre at that time and it's as dead as a major city could get, couple of women knocking about waiting to open Wynsors shoe shop, and the junkies waiting for Bankers Draft to open

 

[snootyfenooty]

And there are some cracking restaurants in the city centre.

Are you kidding me? Where? Gordon Ramsey, Jamie Oliver, Marco Pierre White etc wouldn't entertain Sheffield where culinary expectations don't go any further than a curry with three pints of lager.

Your average Sheffielder thinks a Michelin Star is a tyre and if a meal costs more than a tenner he's being ripped off. If you think I'm exaggerating look no further than the queue at the catering kiosks at the Lane next home game. How anyone eats that shit beggars belief, I can't think of worse match food, or any food come to think of it, anywhere in the country.

 

[Davalon]

Good post, raised some real issues there.

Agree, Sheffield has this traditional reputation of folk stuck in their ways NOT willing to pay for quality.
Also anything ambitious tends to get negative feedback and is instantly doomed to failure.

"What do we neerd one a dem foor"

 

[coolhandluke]

Not in the Championship it isn't

2015/16 Championship admission prices .

Most expensive season tickets - Fulham 839 . Ipswich 829 . Pigs 760 . QPR 719 .

Most expensive matchday tickets - Pigs 52 . Ipswich Town 45.50 . Fulham 45 . Leeds 42

Promoted teams - Middlesborough , Burnley , Hull . None of them even close to the highest costs of admission .

What EXACTLY is the point you are trying to make JJ ?

 

[JJBlade]

2015/16 Championship admission prices .

Most expensive season tickets - Fulham 839 . Ipswich 829 . Pigs 760 . QPR 719 .

Most expensive matchday tickets - Pigs 52 . Ipswich Town 45.50 . Fulham 45 . Leeds 42

Promoted teams - Middlesborough , Burnley , Hull . None of them even close to the highest costs of admission .

What EXACTLY is the point you are trying to make JJ ?

You misunderstand me
You said that the money generated from ticket prices is only a fraction of a clubs turnover nowadays

I said, not in the Championship it isn't

In the Premier League it is, but not in the Championship

Without the Premier League TV money any club seriously considering an attempt at promotion needs cash.
That cash will either come from a wealthy benefactor who wont keep paying good money out forever, or a large percentage must come from the fans.

 

[coolhandluke]

You misunderstand me
You said that the money generated from ticket prices is only a fraction of a clubs turnover nowadays

I said, not in the Championship it isn't

In the Premier League it is, but not in the Championship

Without the Premier League TV money any club seriously considering an attempt at promotion needs cash.
That cash will either come from a wealthy benefactor who wont keep paying good money out forever, or a large percentage must come from the fans.

That's not what I said at all .

I said it wasn't any longer the sole/main arbiter of success on the field of play . You maintain it is when empirically it clearly isn't .

 

[JJBlade]

That's not what I said at all .

I said it wasn't any longer the sole/main arbiter of success on the field of play . You maintain it is when empirically it clearly isn't .

Ok, last I'm gonna say on the subject because as things get discussed further and more and more people join in they get more and more twisted and confusing

My posts said I would pay more if it meant additional quality and I wouldn't have a problem with it
I'd rather pay more for better quality than pay less for less quality

Sheffield United fans have been brainwashed into accepting shit by one boardroom after another:

"If we buy great players they might not produce good quality for us, too much of a gamble"
"If we buy great players and they earn too much and don't perform we'll be in trouble"

It's all very convenient

THE ONLY WAY TO BE SUCCESFUL AS A FOOTBALL CLUB IS TO BUY GOOD QUALITY, AND THAT COSTS MONEY REGARDLESS OF WHERE THE FUCK IT COMES FROM

That's me done on the subject

 

[coolhandluke]

Ok, last I'm gonna say on the subject because as things get discussed further and more and more people join in they get more and more twisted and confusing

My posts said I would pay more if it meant additional quality and I wouldn't have a problem with it
I'd rather pay more for better quality than pay less for less quality

Sheffield United fans have been brainwashed into accepting shit by one boardroom after another:

"If we buy great players they might not produce good quality for us, too much of a gamble"
"If we buy great players and they earn too much and don't perform we'll be in trouble"

It's all very convenient

THE ONLY WAY TO BE SUCCESFUL AS A FOOTBALL CLUB IS TO BUY GOOD QUALITY, AND THAT COSTS MONEY REGARDLESS OF WHERE THE FUCK IT COMES FROM

That's me done on the subject

So that's a big yes on the price freeze suggestion .

I knew you'd see sense eventually

 

[Sean Thornton]

Are you kidding me? Where? Gordon Ramsey, Jamie Oliver, Marco Pierre White etc wouldn't entertain Sheffield where culinary expectations don't go any further than a curry with three pints of lager.

Your average Sheffielder thinks a Michelin Star is a tyre and if a meal costs more than a tenner he's being ripped off. If you think I'm exaggerating look no further than the queue at the catering kiosks at the Lane next home game. How anyone eats that shit beggars belief, I can't think of worse match food, or any food come to think of it, anywhere in the country.

Jamie Oliver's restaurants are pretty average Fayre. Hardly comparable with Ramsey and JO has never been near a Michelin Star. ( not that I think he's that bothered to be honest). Marco Pierre White sells stock pots these days and does cookery classes on cruises and puts his name to outlets similar to Oliver's. Hasn't been a player for years.

Bit much to be snooty about Sheffielders and then use two of those three as examples of fine dining when they're both far from it these days. Chain restaurants like Carluccios.

The top chefs aren't here because the economy isn't up to it. Leeds is much more succesful as is Manchester. Neither is full of starred restaurants.

 

[JohnDenver]

Jamie Oliver's restaurants are pretty average Fayre. Hardly comparable with Ramsey and JO has never been near a Michelin Star. ( not that I think he's that bothered to be honest). Marco Pierre White sells stock pots these days and does cookery classes on cruises and puts his name to outlets similar to Oliver's. Hasn't been a player for years.

Bit much to be snooty about Sheffielders and then use two of those three as examples of fine dining when they're both far from it these days. Chain restaurants like Carlucgios.

The top chefs aren't here because the economy isn't up to it. Leeds is much more succesful as is Manchester. Neither is full of starred restaurants.

There's a Marco's down on Broad Lane. If you think you're getting the Michelin starred food of Marco Pierre White you'll be in for a shock. It's the Knorr Stock Pot version.

 

[Sean Thornton]

There's a Marco's down on Broad Lane. If you think you're getting the Michelin starred food of Marco Pierre White you'll be in for a shock. It's the Knorr Stock Pot version.

Yep. That's my point.