Yann Karamoh

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Visa thing was a smokescreen, it would not have been an issue.

We obviously jettisoned this kid in favour of Corrado.
 
Dragging this up from bottom of the first page but.. Forest just signed Rodrigo Ely on a free, played 8 times for Alaves last year and clearly got a work permit so surely Karamoh can't have broken down due to visa/work permit???
 
Alaves are still in La Liga. Parma are now in Serie B. Don't ask me why the current position matters more than the games played last year (when Parma were in Serie A) but it does and so being in La Liga carries many more points than being a Serie B player.
 
Can there have been work permit/visa issues beyond the footballing criteria?

I can't imagine "has played a enough games for club and country" by itself is enough to a visa, there'll be other checks, surely?
 
LardSardine said:
Alaves are still in La Liga. Parma are now in Serie B. Don't ask me why the current position matters more than the games played last year (when Parma were in Serie A) but it does and so being in La Liga carries many more points than being a Serie B player.
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Ely was not even a player in a division, just a free agent, still it seems like the rules are pretty stupid if a good french player like Karamoh cannot get here and be paid x thousands per week and thus X thousands in tax as I'd imagine that's the governments overall aim.
The long term impact of these will make sure that the prem becomes even more of a bubble as it restricts the market hugely for Champ teams for example as they just can't sign any of the foreign players they can realistically attract
 
I'd be very surprised if we had persisted with this that we couldn't have have made a successful appeal.

He had a number of Serie A games last season, his most recently completed one. The new season only just started. It's not as if he's been marooned in Serie B. Had he been released on a free he would have qualified.

If we approached them in May or shall we say last Jan, then the same player would have got approved?

Seems madness.
 
Champagneblade said:
I'd be very surprised if we had persisted with this that we couldn't have have made a successful appeal.

He had a number of Serie A games last season, his most recently completed one. The new season only just started. It's not as if he's been marooned in Serie B. Had he been released on a free he would have qualified.

If we approached them in May or shall we say last Jan, then the same player would have got approved?

Seems madness.
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Yeah I do think work permit issues were the overriding factor but had we had more time good chance of getting it through. Unfortunately we had 4 players on loan with 1 spot remaining and it was either work on getting Collado or Karamoh.. and in the end getting none.
 
jono_t2000 said:
Unfortunately we had 4 players on loan with 1 spot remaining and it was either work on getting Collado or Karamoh.. and in the end getting none.
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You can have more than 5 players on loan but think you are limited to 5 in the match day squad
It was going to be one or the other dont think we would have been going both of them
 
Guesty said:
Can there have been work permit/visa issues beyond the footballing criteria?

I can't imagine "has played a enough games for club and country" by itself is enough to a visa, there'll be other checks, surely?
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I thought similar. Eg for a regular visa, English language test has to be passed.
But on the flip side temporary visas ( for a loan ?? ) have fewer restrictions, language test not needed.
 

robbiez666 said:
He doesn't have enough points

Gets 6 points for minutes (tops)
Get 0 for being relegated
0 for international caps
2 points for being in Serie B
0 for no continental
0 for no caps

so 8 points when he needs 15
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robbiez666 . It appears you were right, as someone with a view has seen to clarify. It still doesn’t match with what’s written in the criteria with regards to the season, but apologies you were on the money and I was wrong.
 
Champagneblade said:
I'd be very surprised if we had persisted with this that we couldn't have have made a successful appeal.

He had a number of Serie A games last season, his most recently completed one. The new season only just started. It's not as if he's been marooned in Serie B. Had he been released on a free he would have qualified.

If we approached them in May or shall we say last Jan, then the same player would have got approved?

Seems madness.
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Brexit not just seems but really is proper full-blown madness
 
tazzy said:
We are 2 years down the line with brexit surely to god football clubs knew this or was at least looked into
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If you read the criteria it’s not mentioned. For all the other criteria it specifically mentions it’s the previous season, except that one section which mentions nothing.
 
Greasy Chap Butty said:
I thought similar. Eg for a regular visa, English language test has to be passed.
But on the flip side temporary visas ( for a loan ?? ) have fewer restrictions, language test not needed.
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I always thought loans were weird needing work permits

For instance my father purchased machinery which from overseas which broke down, the only specialist that could fix it was from the overseas company.

They offered to fly him in to get it fixed, he was still under their employment but we paid for their services to fix it, pretty sure no work permit was required as wasn't being employed just offering a service while still employed by the overseas company to fix it.
 
What I like about this then is that it sounds like had he been injured for the start of the season he would likely have got a work permit but because he kicked a ball he disqualified himself.

These rules are nonsese.
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
robbiez666 . It appears you were right, as someone with a view has seen to clarify. It still doesn’t match with what’s written in the criteria with regards to the season, but apologies you were on the money and I was wrong.
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I suspect the devil's in the detailed guidance that we haven't seen. That current season stuff seems to be written with season-long loans in mind. It makes little sense if a player is still at the same club and that club has been either promoted or relegated.
 
AgaMonkey said:
Brexit not just seems but really is proper full-blown madness
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I think in my opinion, these rules are exactly what the FA, PFA and EFL want to protect UK born players. While Brexit is the reason it is possible, it’s not the reason why it’s happening. We’ve read about musicians on tour, hospitality workers and other industries that have been lobbying the Government via the media for special exemptions.
I’m sure if they really wanted a “pre-Brexit freedom” for EU based players, all these organisations would have been putting huge pressure on the Government and we would have seen some further relaxation of the rules.
Yes Brexit has got us here, but blocking foreign players from the English Leagues was something these football organisations have been dreaming about for decades, and Brexit has given them the opportunity to implement tougher rules and help UK born players.
 

If that’s the case he will be looking for a new club come January when they inevitably stop paying wages
 
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