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Sean Thornton said:
I gave you my opinion earlier. You started crying.
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Looks like I might have to write the S24SU definition for 'crying' as well then...

I'm sure you've gone as far as you're willing to go in terms of opinion - even if it did only amount to "you don't always get what you want". But it would be mightily impressive if you could muster any suggestion about recruitment in that position. You've found a way to try and make my logical suggestion sound stupid, so let's have your own.
 
Ricky said:
Looks like I might have to write the S24SU definition for 'crying' as well then...

I'm sure you've gone as far as you're willing to go in terms of opinion - even if it did only amount to "you don't always get what you want". But it would be mightily impressive if you could muster any suggestion about recruitment in that position. You've found a way to try and make my logical suggestion sound stupid, so let's have your own.
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Shut up mardy arse. Do the Manset shuffle with your latest list of discoveries and then have a sit down and consider what's been said.

In the real world Wilder has more to deal with than a list of stats. Finance being one of them obviously which limits his options player wise. It's not your comments of Duffy fading in the second half of the season but your claims that there are plenty of players out there who could replace him on a temporary basis. I suggest Wilder thought Woodburn could do it, it's not working on the short playing time he's had but yet again, you have the answer. Despite the glaringly obvious drawbacks highlighted plus the real world issues the manager has to consider. Like not worrying about Ryan Leonard ripping us a new one or having spineless squad.
 
Woodburn featured prominently on the lists of one poster before we signed him. Being mentioned on several threads.
 
Sean Thornton said:
Shut up mardy arse. Do the Manset shuffle with your latest list of discoveries and then have a sit down and consider what's been said.

In the real world Wilder has more to deal with than a list of stats. Finance being one of them obviously which limits his options player wise. It's not your comments of Duffy fading in the second half of the season but your claims that there are plenty of players out there who could replace him on a temporary basis. I suggest Wilder thought Woodburn could do it, it's not working on the short playing time he's had but yet again, you have the answer. Despite the glaringly obvious drawbacks highlighted plus the real world issues the manager has to consider. Like not worrying about Ryan Leonard ripping us a new one or having spineless squad.
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Absolutely bang on..... the response I expected. Your absolute maximum. Complete with the usual wrong assumptions and irrelevant bollocks.

Nothing to see here, as ever.
 
Sean Thornton said:
Woodburn featured prominently on the lists of one poster before we signed him. Being mentioned on several threads.
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He was an obvious one. No one's blaming Wilder for signing him. I'm sure he expected more. Wilder had the right idea but so far it looks like he backed the wrong horse. It's a bit unlucky.
 
Ricky said:
Absolutely bang on..... the response I expected. Your absolute maximum. Complete with the usual wrong assumptions and irrelevant bollocks.

Nothing to see here, as ever.
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If you haven't got a meaningful reply.......

You suggested we shield Duffyvto prevent burn out. That we get someone - let's forget money for the moment - to play in his role. When it's pointed out that replacing him with someone equally as good won't be easy, let alone affordable, you switch to saying the player doesn't need to be as good. We've got players like that already!

You pushed Woodburn strongly in the summer btw. Not just Wilder who could have got that wrong but now you have another list. That's what you can't grasp. It's not just a case of listing players. There are many other things to consider and be realistic about.
 
Ricky said:
He was an obvious one. No one's blaming Wilder for signing him. I'm sure he expected more. Wilder had the right idea but so far it looks like he backed the wrong horse. It's a bit unlucky.
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Totally agree on that. As I said initially, the theory of signing players, for whatever role, has to be looked at with the realities managers face. Particularly with players like Duffy who can't seemingly perform for a full season.
 
CarlMcBlade said:
I did think anyone was going take my statement seriously? Just trying to stress(in a humorous way) how underwhelming Woodburns start at the club has been. But now you mention it.......Every top club in the Prem will be taking notice of Brooks progress at Bournemouth..........including Liverpool.
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After 425 minutes of football, I seriously doubt any top club in the prem is paying one iota of interest in DB. They have better on their books as it is, and need to buy better. For example, I'd say Man City already have 5 better players of a similar age in their set up. Scouts would have watched him last season for us, and for Wales and only Bournemouth got their cheque book out. He's not been so mind bogglingly brilliant for them in the 6 games he's played to change that fact. He is a reasonably talented player with potential, whose physique might well let him down.
 
Sean Thornton said:
If you haven't got a meaningful reply.......

You suggested we shield Duffyvto prevent burn out. That we get someone - let's forget money for the moment - to play in his role. When it's pointed out that replacing him with someone equally as good won't be easy, let alone affordable, you switch to saying the player doesn't need to be as good. We've got players like that already!

You pushed Woodburn strongly in the summer btw. Not just Wilder who could have got that wrong but now you have another list. That's what you can't grasp. It's not just a case of listing players. There are many other things to consider and be realistic about.
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Every last thing you mention, is something I've already considered, and 'grasped'. And I didn't switch to saying anything.

A player might not be as good as Duffy in his role, but he might be an improvement on what we've got up front, maybe also a wide option, and one who'll develop into a valuable player. There's plenty like this to consider.
 
Ricky said:
Every last thing you mention, is something I've already considered, and 'grasped'. And I didn't switch to saying anything.

A player might not be as good as Duffy in his role, but he might be an improvement on what we've got up front, maybe also a wide option, and one who'll develop into a valuable player. There's plenty like this to consider.
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"If we had a proper backup for him who doesn't significantly change or weaken us, we'd have a better chance of seeing Duffy perform at a similar high level all season."
 
Sean Thornton said:
"If we had a proper backup for him who doesn't significantly change or weaken us, we'd have a better chance of seeing Duffy perform at a similar high level all season."
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You think a replacement would have to be every bit as good to not 'significantly change or weaken' us?
 



Ricky said:
Every last thing you mention, is something I've already considered, and 'grasped'. And I didn't switch to saying anything.

A player might not be as good as Duffy in his role, but he might be an improvement on what we've got up front, maybe also a wide option, and one who'll develop into a valuable player. There's plenty like this to consider.
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Callum Robinson?
 
Wilder clearly saw the need for a player to rotate with Duffy, hence targeting Freeman and Robinson after signing Woodburn. Real quality in this position doesn't grow on trees, and isn't cheap, so we've kept our money for a future window.No point just spunkin moneh on anyone.It should be abundantly clear to Blades - after over two years - that Duffy struggles post Christmas, sometimes late in games and during the three game weeks. When he doesn't play we struggle to adapt. I can see us experimenting with McGoldrick, Fleck and Norwood in that position when Coutts is up and running. Ideally, we get our man in January.
 
Mojo said:
Is he injured or have we sent him back?
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Neither. We have an abundance of options in the squad at the minute, and he’s not able to get on the bench. He’s fully fit, and in the Wales squad announced today.
 
https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/foo...oodburn-must-do-to-force-his-way-in-1-9381286

This is the nub of it - to get in the team realistically he has to take Duffy's place and on form so far this season that ain't going to happen. I suspect that with PC's return last night his job just got a hell of a lot tougher cos if Duffy gets injured or needs a rest the go to in midfield is surely going to be Coutts and not Woodburn. It's Tough for him but that's the way it is; lounge about in youth football where there is no absolute imperative to win or put yourself on the line in the first team where the name of the game is winning and you either add something to achieving that or you are out.
 
He's got to fight for his place, just like the other 11, it doesn't matter who his parent club are, if he was gifted a starting place that would demotivate both him and his team mates, if he wants to walk into a team he needs to look lower down the division, or further. I'm sure he knows this.

Leon has now found out and lost his place, rightly so, and I didn't think it would happen with him but CW has played it perfect in my eyes. Billy knows this and will be looking at captaining his team against the pigs this season, if his form and goals stay as they currently are
 
Duffy is magic looking back he has had many guys turn up and try and fill his boots and none have come close Carruthers, Holmes, and now Woodburn who has potential and we are still waiting to see it consistently but Duffy is still the only player who can play that role.

More interestingly how Woodburn gets the call from Ryan Giggs and Freeman doesn't is beyond me
 
adebo said:
Duffy is magic looking back he has had many guys turn up and try and fill his boots and none have come close Carruthers, Holmes, and now Woodburn who has potential and we are still waiting to see it consistently but Duffy is still the only player who can play that role.

More interestingly how Woodburn gets the call from Ryan Giggs and Freeman doesn't is beyond me
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I think Wales and Giggs are looking to the future and have taken the decision to give younger players who seem to have the potential some experience and to see if they appear to have "the bottle" to perform at international levl. England are doing similarly. Very often international matches are not that important in terms of trying to win or qualify. It is more difficult in the Championship as teams need results now not the future so it is difficult to justify giving youngsters a chance now in the hope they will benefit and become regulars in 2 or 3 years time.
 



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