Wilder not yet meeting the challenge

[BladeFisher]

Lets sack him then,FFS we have hit a barren spell in the Championship,yet still occupy a play off place,yet there is posts like yours,I bet you were one of those screaming about him being out of his depth,after 4 games last season,does he not deserve a bit of trust and loyalty,or is it a case of In Wilder we trust(as long as he is winning)

When did I say sack him? I said for your tiny narrow minded vicious mind, that he hadn't met the challenge you ignorant prick.

All you seemed to be worried about is "we are still in a play off place!" Yeah and lost four out of the last five. Across a season that equates to 9/10 bloody points.
Now I don't for a minute think we would win every game but at least I am not as deluded as you.

We are in the shit and we need to get out of it.

Just to remind you.

1. We don't win fuck all in December so stupid statements about play off places are pathetic.
2. Following your logic so long as we are above Wednesday that is ok is it? Maybe Wednesday will finish 24th. Not much good if we finish 22nd is it?
3. Wilder/Knill have so far not demonstrated how they motivate their players to avoid keep getting beaten. 1 point from 15 is just shit.
4. If we wait another 3 matches (and lose them) it'll be 1 win in 8. Wakey wakey dozy. Perhaps you lack forward planning skills.

I haven't asked for Wilder's head (another moronic comment from Mr Head aka Fred Tunstall) just as has been said re the England cricket team, they need to find a way to turn it round.

I wouldn't bet on the JTF either given the dire experiences of the past. We'll see.

Perhaps taking Coutts to Lourdes would be a better bet.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

But I can't agree with you that on a Football FORUM that there are holy cows that can not be questioned.

Indeed - have a like sir.

UTB

 

[Tunstall Fred]

When did I say sack him? I said for your tiny narrow minded vicious mind, that he hadn't met the challenge you ignorant prick.

All you seemed to be worried about is "we are still in a play off place!" Yeah and lost four out of the last five. Across a season that equates to 9/10 bloody points.
Now I don't for a minute think we would win every game but at least I am not as deluded as you.

We are in the shit and we need to get out of it.

Just to remind you.

1. We don't win fuck all in December so stupid statements about play off places are pathetic.
2. Following your logic so long as we are above Wednesday that is ok is it? Maybe Wednesday will finish 24th. Not much good if we finish 22nd is it?
3. Wilder/Knill have so far not demonstrated how they motivate their players to avoid keep getting beaten. 1 point from 15 is just shit.
4. If we wait another 3 matches (and lose them) it'll be 1 win in 8. Wakey wakey dozy. Perhaps you lack forward planning skills.

I haven't asked for Wilder's head (another moronic comment from Mr Head aka Fred Tunstall) just as has been said re the England cricket team, they need to find a way to turn it round.

I wouldn't bet on the JTF either given the dire experiences of the past. We'll see.

Perhaps taking Coutts to Lourdes would be a better bet.

6th in the Championship amounts to being in the shit?

You must have been suicidal during the 6 years we spent in Division 3

 

[Rodley]

I think people are always going to get pissy with the OP as when you look at how Carlos has performed with his comparative budget for them, a pig coming on here trying to stir the pot is laughable.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

The OP challenges the boundaries of CW's ability in a division he hasn't managed in before - it's a decent and reasonable question to ask - especially if SUFC is the primary reason for asking it and not a swfc troll.

UTB

 

[Tunstall Fred]

The OP challenges the boundaries of CW's ability in a division he hasn't managed in before - it's a decent and reasonable question to ask - especially if SUFC is the primary reason for asking it and not a swfc troll.

UTB

Our manager had never managed in the league below,the league we won with 100 points,it is a decent and reasonable stance to show that manager some loyalty in return for what he has achieved thus far with us

 

[BladeFisher]

6th in the Championship amounts to being in the shit?

You must have been suicidal during the 6 years we spent in Division 3

Well it was very trying when Wednesday pipped us owing to Evans' indiscretions.

Remember it isn't where we are now, but where we are at the end of the season duckie. If we keep losing we'll be nearer 6th from bottom rather than 6th from the top.

Your ancestors weren't in the German Wehrmacht were they Fred? "We still occupy Belorussia and Ukraine mein Fuhrer, (despite the fact you've been beaten in battle after battle)". Fred FFS wake up, we are sliding down the shitter and we need to stop the slide. End of. That's all. No sackings but he must re-energise the team 'cos that is part of what he's paid to do. He bought most of them. He must carry the can. He doesn't hide, he tells it like it is. In that regard he is just ace, brilliant. But at the bottom line is...he's the manager. And a manager is judged by results. At the moment they're shite.

I have been watching United a very, very long time and losing games one after the other is not on. I remember the dark days under Sirrell and that awful relegation. Stood on the Shoreham when we went out of the top two divisions for the first time ever in our history after the game against Blackburn.

Been to every bastard play off final (including against Bristol City at Ashton Gate) and not see us score a bloody goal!

Fergie would have chewed some testicles by now. Sort it Wilder FFS (and change Fred's rose tinted spectacles for a lightly darker shade, he's getting sunstroke.)

 

[Tunstall Fred]

Well it was very trying when Wednesday pipped us owing to Evans' indiscretions.

I have been watching United a very, very long time and losing games one after the other is not on. I remember the dark days under Sirrell and that awful relegation. Stood on the Shoreham when we went out of the top two divisions for the first time ever in our history after the game against Blackburn.

Been to every bastard play off final (including against Bristol City at Ashton Gate) and not see us score a bloody goal!

Fergie would have chewed some testicles by now. Sort it Wilder FFS.

Don't you mean after the Leicester game,the one we needed to win 9-0?

 

[Fulwood Blade]

Our manager had never managed in the league below,the league we won with 100 points,it is a decent and reasonable stance to show that manager some loyalty in return for what he has achieved thus far with us

Your attitude to a forum kills debate. CW has my admiration for what he has done with Halifax/Oxford/Northampton and us.

but, he should never, ever, be above constructive criticism - if you, as an individual cannot understand that, then you should stay off social media - it really is that simple.

Our present position demands a sensible debate - you need to recognise what is sensible debate and not confuse it with others.

The OP is simply questioning Wilders ability to solve the present predicament - posing a statement and or question to the forum

My opinion is that he should go solid as we did when bottom of the league last season and slowly recover the situation and regain confidence. This continued gung-ho attitude to games, in this division, is something that CW hasn't met before.

His praise for the Preston no:4 yesterday - who I will add again, played in a defensive midfield holding position is in direct conflict with CW saying he doesn't like defensive, sitting, midfield players. That for a start is a conflict in his previous footballing philosophies.

Perhaps CW is learning this division as he goes along - so yes, another feather in his cap.

UTB

 

[BladeFisher]

Don't you mean after the Leicester game,the one we needed to win 9-0?

I thought Blackburn was the last one? But as we're the same age perhaps dementia has arrived.

 

[Tunstall Fred]

I thought Blackburn was the last one? But as we're the same age perhaps dementia has arrived.

Probably both be wrong

 

[FriethBlade]

"he's got no intention of selling"

No, he just loves throwing money away year on year.

Extra extra read all about it....shock horror...owning a football club is a loss making enterprise

 

[Pedro's Winger]

To be fair, he has previously dealt with adversity, at the start of last season, so no reason to presume he won't again. He has repeatedly shown the ability to adapt. Previous experience is the best predictor for future performance.

I agree, he did last season though that wasn't really about injuries and suspensions etc.
I'm only saying he's not yet managed to do so this season.
I also bet Wilder isn't sitting around thinking aren't I bleedin' wonderful because we had a great start to the season and the last five games, and counting, don't matter and I've got no responsibility now for results.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Extra extra read all about it....shock horror...owning a football club is a loss making enterprise

Very droll. Doesn't explain why he keeps doing it though does it? Please enlighten us.

( it's not tax advantageous before that old chestnut comes to mind)

 

[BushBlade]

It's no wonder Warnock was applying for other jobs when he was with us. We turn quicker than milk left out on a hot day.

 

[HillmortonBlade]

It's no wonder Warnock was applying for other jobs when he was with us. We turn quicker than milk left out on a hot day.

Who has turned against Wilder? One example will suffice.

 

[BushBlade]

Who has turned against Wilder? One example will suffice.

The OP for a start. Genuine criticism is fine but 'not meeting the challenge' is just hyperbole. And the shit on Facebook.

 

[Maidenhead]

'The challenge' being? Continue to push for promotion will a newly promoted side on one of the smallest budgets in the division, whilst having injury/illness/suspension problems?

The challenge for Wilder, quite simply, is to avoid relegation this season. Anything else is a bonus.

I would have agreed in August but given where we are now I would say the challenge is to consolidate a top half finish and anything better is a bonus.

 

[HillmortonBlade]

The OP for a start. Genuine criticism is fine but 'not meeting the challenge' is just hyperbole. And the shit on Facebook.

Must be subjective, I don't see the OP as turning against Wilder, just asking the question based on recent results. But much as I don't like the knee hero reaction against the manager, I'm as uneasy in the unquestioning "In Wilder we trust" mantra.

I have No Doubt that Wilder will continue to be the greatest manager in my life time. But what's the point of a forum if any questioning is interpreted as wanting him out?

Edit.. I'm not on Facebook, too much mindless shit..

 

[Bladezz]

We have a top 6 starting 11

Top 6 in league one for the rest.

 

[BushBlade]

Must be subjective, I don't see the OP as turning against Wilder, just asking the question based on recent results. But much as I don't like the knee hero reaction against the manager, I'm as uneasy in the unquestioning "In Wilder we trust" mantra.

I have No Doubt that Wilder will continue to be the greatest manager in my life time. But what's the point of a forum if any questioning is interpreted as wanting him out?

Edit.. I'm not on Facebook, too much mindless shit..

Tbh, I'm asking the same question at the moment. What is the point of forums?

I think there are genuine questions to be asked but not about Saturday. We're down to bare bones, all three of our midfielders out and we lost narrowly. It's alright saying Wilder hasn't met the challenge but things have got worse week by week. We haven't had a break of any kind. If the OP was just to ask whether we should look at changing the formation then fine, say that, there's no need to accusatory language to imply that Wilder is at fault.

And I don't go for the 'IWWT' shit either, he's just a bloke, not a god, and he will make mistakes.

 

[Maidenhead]

Your attitude to a forum kills debate.

UTB

There is no debate on football forums, just a series of entrenched points of view.

Anyone disagreeing with a stated fact is an idiot, FACT

I started a thread calling Fleck a wanker as deliberate piece of mischief making because his recklessness had potentially cost us three points on the night and him a three game suspension that would obviously hit us hard.

In response I got a load of personal abuse which I can live with and a series of opinions, amounting to an argument about the accuracy of the referees decision.

I even got another poster starting a thread calling me a wanker, despite him never having asked me how or why I had come to my conclusion.

What I didn't get was one single post asking "why do you think that?"

That's how you have a debate.

I find some posters amusing, some tiresome, some repetitive single agenda bores, and some interesting.

Personally I don't care what anyone else thinks of my views and I love to have a good debate, but I accepted a long time ago that was very unlikely ever to happen as the vast majority of posters are so far up their own arses that they can't even see the light at the end of the tunnel.

I will continue to read this forum and to chip in occasionally when I think that I have something witty or informative to contribute.

I even live on in the hope of a good debate, and will ask questions to try and stimulate one.

In the spirit of that I'll ask why does anyone think that our owners are obligated to spend millions of pounds that they haven't got in the January transfer window, and where is this queue of billionaires waiting to buy the club?

 

[Darthblade]

What a fucking bizarre thread.

In our good spell, you knew the morons would surface at the first sign of a bad run. But that doesn’t make it any less annoying when it starts

Hmmmm ....... I don't think its necessarily "moronic" to highlight the lack of depth (quality) in our current squad, nor the very modest levels of investment into the playing squad in the summer. Having said that ...... excessive criticism of Tufty and the players is also unwarranted as they are in a much higher position now than we would have expected to be. I think many people are just frustrated as key injuries & suspensions have exposed our squad depth and this is a shame given our start to the season.

Tufty appears to feel the same way judging his recent comments and I suspect that he's watching the board with "interest" to see how they support him in January.

Hopefully our business will be discussed, negotiated and lined up for immediate implementation first week in January ....... not middle of February as we generally do. It would be a shame to miss out on the opportunity of a crack at the play-offs under Tufty's guidance ....

UTB & FTP

 

[Darthblade]

We don't have"championship" money.

Is that so hard to grasp?

Selling Brooks may give CW something to work with but as he's already valued at£20m on here, there's further disappointment ( actually balancing delusion) on its way if he does go.

We have sufficient money to make a difference in January ....... the Maguire / Walker / Murphy etc "windfall" money should prove sufficient to acquire at least two if not three quality players. Selling Brooks should not be necessary ...... unless tufty specifically wishes to do so ....

UTB & FTP

 

[Sean Thornton]

We have sufficient money to make a difference in January ....... the Maguire / Walker / Murphy etc "windfall" money should prove sufficient to acquire at least two if not three quality players. Selling Brooks should not be necessary ...... unless tufty specifically wishes to do so ....

UTB & FTP

At £7m that should cover losses (including additional wages) so any further input from the owners could be available for transfers. (Or vice versa). It's still well below what some others are spending though. Which was my point.

 

[The Crab]

So the blokes record whilst he has been our manager,counts for nothing.We show him no loyalty,lose a few games and he is fair game for the snipers.

Promotion as Champions,followed by topping the league,and currently sitting in a play off place in the Championship,clearly not good enough for some

No doubt in my mind that CW has done fantastically well so far. I think the question for me is, is this a blip or something more fundamental? The mark of a great manager is how you manage something like this, when your back is against the wall.

I think we need to be realistic, in the knowledge that there isn't a massive transfer pot for January. But the board do need to back CW with whatever funds they can manage.

 

[Darthblade]

At £7m that should cover losses (including additional wages) so any further input from the owners could be available for transfers. (Or vice versa). It's still well below what some others are spending though. Which was my point.

I don't think that "windfall" money like this should be allocated to covering losses ...... that is the commitment that the "Board" have given.

If we assume that Tufty was promised a transfer budget for January, given the very modest investment in the playing squad in the Summer, then this "windfall" should augment that budget thus allowing him more room for manoeuvre in the transfer market to address our squad weaknesses.

Nobody sensible is expecting that tufty will have £10 - 20m to spend ....... but its not unrealistic when we are in such a promising position, to expect the Board to back Tufty with reasonable resources.

UTB & FTP

 

[Sean Thornton]

I don't think that "windfall" money like this should be allocated to covering losses ...... that is the commitment that the "Board" have given.

If we assume that Tufty was promised a transfer budget for January, given the very modest investment in the playing squad in the Summer, then this "windfall" should augment that budget thus allowing him more room for manoeuvre in the transfer market to address our squad weaknesses.

Nobody sensible is expecting that tufty will have £10 - 20m to spend ....... but its not unrealistic when we are in such a promising position, to expect the Board to back Tufty with reasonable resources.

UTB & FTP

I'm not saying it should, my point that you originally replied to was about "championship" money. Unless virtually everyone of us is wrong, the chance of a huge investment next month is unlikely. Especially with the likelihood of further losses. And I don't think the Princes additional investment was to cover them.

 

[Darthblade]

I'm not saying it should, my point that you originally replied to was about "championship" money. Unless virtually everyone of us is wrong, the chance of a huge investment next month is unlikely. Especially with the likelihood of further losses. And I don't think the Princes additional investment was to cover them.

Fair point; but the Prince's investment has yet to materialise ...... and there appears to be some heated debate as to when we should expect to see it

Now ...... would be a helpful time for a first instalment to give Tufty a chance in January.

UTB & FTP

 

[Sean Thornton]

Fair point; but the Prince's investment has yet to materialise ...... and there appears to be some heated debate as to when we should expect to see it

Now ...... would be a helpful time for a first instalment to give Tufty a chance in January.

UTB & FTP

That's the issue......