Wilder not yet meeting the challenge

[Sean Thornton]

If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen. McCabe hasn't got the money to take the club to the next level. He tried to rectify this by bringing the Prince in but that has proved as successful as his appointment of Brian Robson.

If he can't find additional investment ( and who wants to sink tens of millions into something for a minority control ?) we have to accept our lot as it seems, rightly or wrongly, he's got no intention of selling.

"he's got no intention of selling"

No, he just loves throwing money away year on year.

 

[HuddersfieldBlade]

that is subjective as to where you and others thought the team would finish.

Quite a few were top half - some brave enough to pick top 3 to 6.

Some of the less enjoyable comments were "I'd be happy to finish 4th bottom"

This team was and still could be good enough to finish 5th or 6th. Coutts injury has changed all of the thinking and the JTW is now a vital period. It will show how ambitious the club actually is. Given our present position, I doubt consolidation is even in CW's vocabulary, but the support he gets in terms of money to invest may well determine how long CW wants to stay. We won't have a better chance than what we have been presented with.

We need Paul Mitchell to pull a couple of rabbits out of the hat.

UTB

I thought we would finish between 10th and 14th, didn’t think we would struggle. But so far it’s exceeded my expectations.

But to say at the start of this thread Wilder isn’t meeting the challenge after a bad spell of 5 games is completely ludicrous. I agree once we get back up and running we will be there at the end of the season.

 

[Bladesman]

Wilder is struggling to adapt with the loss of key players in the squad, he has lost his entire midfield in the space of a month. Although his bargain basement backups are clearly not up to scratch which is the only thing that is worrying me.

 

[yorkshirecoast]

Serious question....why won’t McCabe sell the club? Loads are far less attractive clubs than us have found buyers - many of them extremely rich buyers - so I can’t accept he couldn’t sell if he wanted to.

He clearly isn’t capable of taking us forward so why does he hang on to power? Money does not guarantee success but it is extremely difficult to progress without it in football these days.

 

[BushBlade]

that is subjective as to where you and others thought the team would finish.

Quite a few were top half - some brave enough to pick top 3 to 6.

Some of the less enjoyable comments were "I'd be happy to finish 4th bottom"

This team was and still could be good enough to finish 5th or 6th. Coutts injury has changed all of the thinking and the JTW is now a vital period. It will show how ambitious the club actually is. Given our present position, I doubt consolidation is even in CW's vocabulary, but the support he gets in terms of money to invest may well determine how long CW wants to stay. We won't have a better chance than what we have been presented with.

We need Paul Mitchell to pull a couple of rabbits out of the hat.

UTB

What's brave about picking top 3-6? It's brave if Wilder says it because he has to then back it up but why would it be brave if I said it? I can't back it up or have any real effect on it.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

What's brave about picking top 3-6? It's brave if Wilder says it because he has to then back it up but why would it be brave if I said it? I can't back it up or have any real effect on it.

I would have liked to have used a different word - but some of our fans couldn't or wouldn't accept how good we actually were - the glass half empty or nearly empty lot.

UTB

 

[BushBlade]

I would have liked to have used a different word - but some of our fans couldn't or wouldn't accept how good we actually were - the glass half empty or nearly empty lot.

UTB

Turns out they were right though. Good first team, slightly lacking in quality cover. Any bad run of injuries was always likely to derail us. Perhaps that what some people thought at the start of the season and that's why they said mid-table. That the reason I said it.

 

[I should coco]

If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen.

Except you've just spent £60m on the kitchen and it's gone out of fashion.

 

[NotFallowfieldBlade]

Tough injury run but one way or another Wilder's not found a way.
At the moment it's hard to see where another win's coming from and it's not clear Wilder knows how to set us up in the absence of key players.
Maybe there's simply nothing he can do but going a bit more negative, even a bit long ball, scrapping a few draws might not be a bad idea in the short term.

Christ shut up think if any team loses there ENTIRE midfield they would have struggled yesterday

 

[Fulwood Blade]

Turns out they were right though. Good first team, slightly lacking in quality cover. Any bad run of injuries was always likely to derail us. Perhaps that what some people thought at the start of the season and that's why they said mid-table. That the reason I said it.

Not fully convinced - I would think most expected nothing like a trip near the top - just a middle table average team, but our fantastic start should mean higher than mid table now.

At least we have the benefit of a JTW to buy/loan whilst possibly being still top 6 considering 2 decent Xmas home games.

The JTW will define where we finish - it is still feasible to have another decent run, but it has be in conjunction with what we sign in the JTW. If replacements come in, they have to have a virtual immediate impact by early feb, or mind table it definitely will be.

UTB

 

[South Bucks]

The bit that concerns me about if we are meeting the challenge is when we see stuff we know is not great but we keep doing it week after week on the pitch.
Take JOC this season as just one example. I've lost count of how many times this season he''s had a shot from the edge of the box or inside and its powerful but sails way over the bar. One near the end of the game yesterday. No point shooting if that happens every time, just hands over possession so what is going on during the week and in training and why are we not correcting such things.
Anyone who's played even amateur stuff knows there's a technique of making sure you don't lean back and get over the top of the ball and whilst we can see it the stands we keep making the same mistakes over and over again on the pitch which frankly is nuts and questions if we are rising to the challenge. No point shouting at players if we don't coach them to do things better.

 

[BladeFisher]

Agreeing with a Pig,slating our manager who got us top of the league,and currently sit in the play off places

. . . and who's in charge of a team that has lost 4 out of the last five games. If you can't see that is a challenge then you are a really stupid arse. Grow up and stop slagging people off. You are clearly challenging for this month's Richard Head award.

 

[BladeFisher]

Your following the wrong team if you think Wilder will settle for a draw (try Burton )
It takes time to build a squad with a winning mentality and any players who settle for a draw will be shown the door, it takes bravery to come through a barren patch ,this is the time to see which ones are on the same page as Wilder, mental strength is what he's looking for not just football technicality.
A few are going to fall by the wayside and I beleave Wilder won't stop to pick them up.
Harry Bassett had a similar approach .Being a tough taskmaster is the only way
You can be successful playing the Wilder way,will be interesting who gets left behind as he builds his squad in January

Then Wilder needs to learn. You need to win the 'war' not every battle.

We should have beaten Bristol City, but I suspect the Fleck sending off changed everything. Sometimes better to 'quit/settle' when you are ahead rather than blow it away'.

 

[Tunstall Fred]

. . . and who's in charge of a team that has lost 4 out of the last five games. If you can't see that is a challenge then you are a really stupid arse. Grow up and stop slagging people off. You are clearly challenging for this month's Richard Head award.

If I want to slag the Pig I will do so,if you want to agree with the Pig,that is your choice.

Our manager,after what he and the players have achieved over the last season and half,do not deserve posts like the OP,especially seeing as it comes from a Pig

 

[Sean Thornton]

If I want to slag the Pig I will do so,if you want to agree with the Pig,that is your choice.

Our manager,after what he and the players have achieved over the last season and half,do not deserve posts like the OP,especially seeing as it comes from a Pig

He's just a Len tribute act. A poor one at that.

 

[BladeFisher]

If I want to slag the Pig I will do so,if you want to agree with the Pig,that is your choice.

Our manager,after what he and the players have achieved over the last season and half,do not deserve posts like the OP,especially seeing as it comes from a Pig

Well so far Wilder has shown that he can't deal with this challenge, that is the point I'm making. It might be we get draws not wins but to keep losing???

We never really looked very convincing against either Birmingham or Bristol City and in the case of the former over the last six games we aren't doing much better. With Villa up next I'd be amazed if we didn't lose again.

 

[Tunstall Fred]

Well so far Wilder has shown that he can't deal with this challenge, that is the point I'm making. It might be we get draws not wins but to keep losing???

We never really looked very convincing against either Birmingham or Bristol City and in the case of the former over the last six games we aren't doing much better. With Villa up next I'd be amazed if we didn't lose again.

Lets sack him then,FFS we have hit a barren spell in the Championship,yet still occupy a play off place,yet there is posts like yours,I bet you were one of those screaming about him being out of his depth,after 4 games last season,does he not deserve a bit of trust and loyalty,or is it a case of In Wilder we trust(as long as he is winning)

 

[HillmortonBlade]

Is Wilder above question or criticism?

I doubt he would expect it.

I trust Wilder to sort this all out in the medium and long term (well, hopefully short term as well).

But if someone wants to question the manager and is to be shouted down with "In Wilder we trust" then not much point us having a football forum really. Best to stick to General Chat and Twats the lot of them.

 

[Tunstall Fred]

Is Wilder above question or criticism?

I doubt he would expect it.

I trust Wilder to sort this all out in the medium and long term (well, hopefully short term as well).

But if someone wants to question the manager and is to be shouted down with "In Wilder we trust" then not much point us having a football forum really. Best to stick to General Chat and Twats the lot of them.

Claiming he is not up to the challenge,is that fair?

 

[HillmortonBlade]

Claiming he is not up to the challenge,is that fair?

From what I have read, the point is that the manager hasn't managed the recent slump. That may or may not be true, I don't think it is true as there have been other factors.

All I am saying is that it warrants debate, I haven't read any post saying Wilder is not up to the challenge long term, only questions about the last few matches. Maybe I am missing something here. But I find the commonly used "In Wilder we trust" as the answer to questions a bit of a cop out on a forum.

 

[Tunstall Fred]

From what I have read, the point is that the manager hasn't managed the recent slump. That may or may not be true, I don't think it is true as there have been other factors.

All I am saying is that it warrants debate, I haven't read any post saying Wilder is not up to the challenge long term, only questions about the last few matches. Maybe I am missing something here. But I find the commonly used "In Wilder we trust" as the answer to questions a bit of a cop out on a forum.

The term is meaningless,trotted out during the good times when things are going well,soon as we hit a spell like now,the knives are out,the tip of the iceberg should we continue in this present vein,it will not be long before there are calls for his sacking.

 

[HillmortonBlade]

The term is meaningless,trotted out during the good times when things are going well,soon as we hit a spell like now,the knives are out,the tip of the iceberg should we continue in this present vein,it will not be long before there are calls for his sacking.

It's a fine line then. Some see knives out when others see legitimate questions for debate.

 

[Tunstall Fred]

It's a fine line then. Some see knives out when others see legitimate questions for debate.

So the blokes record whilst he has been our manager,counts for nothing.We show him no loyalty,lose a few games and he is fair game for the snipers.

Promotion as Champions,followed by topping the league,and currently sitting in a play off place in the Championship,clearly not good enough for some

 

[HillmortonBlade]

So the blokes record whilst he has been our manager,counts for nothing.We show him no loyalty,lose a few games and he is fair game for the snipers.

Promotion as Champions,followed by topping the league,and currently sitting in a play off place in the Championship,clearly not good enough for some

Who has said that?

Or are you saying that his record must mean that the Forum can not discuss poor performances? Is asking questions somehow disloyal??

Billy Sharp was fantastic last season and start of this.. Presumably by your logic we can't discuss his performance either?

 

[Tunstall Fred]

Who has said that?

Or are you saying that his record must mean that the Forum can not discuss poor performances? Is asking questions somehow disloyal??

Billy Sharp was fantastic last season and start of this.. Presumably by your logic we can't discuss his performance either?

Poor performances,nobody will be more critical than our manager himself,but to openly say he is not up to the challenge,yes that is disloyal in my eyes,
You mean 8 goals this season Billy Sharp?what would you care to discuss about our superb marksman?

 

[Pedro Verde]

Serious question....why won’t McCabe sell the club? Loads are far less attractive clubs than us have found buyers - many of them extremely rich buyers - so I can’t accept he couldn’t sell if he wanted to.

He clearly isn’t capable of taking us forward so why does he hang on to power? Money does not guarantee success but it is extremely difficult to progress without it in football these days.

Lets see if Mr Chansiri fancies a move to BDTBL, sacks Wilder and appoints a Yes man. Theres also the Venkys, the Allams you could have
Be very careful what you wish for

 

[HillmortonBlade]

Poor performances,nobody will be more critical than our manager himself,but to openly say he is not up to the challenge,yes that is disloyal in my eyes,
You mean 8 goals this season Billy Sharp?what would you care to discuss about our superb marksman?

I think Sharp is excellent and should start every match. Others don't, so we have a discussion.

I've already said I think Wilder up to the challenge, and now Sharp also, I think we can agree on that.

But I can't agree with you that on a Football FORUM that there are holy cows that can not be questioned.

 

[Pedro's Winger]

The OP said Wilder has not yet met the challenge of dealing with adversity.
We have one point from five games since that period of adversity began.
The facts to me look self-evident.
We'll see if he's any nearer meeting the challenge against Villa.

 

[HillmortonBlade]

The OP said Wilder has not yet met the challenge of dealing with adversity.
We have one point from five games since that period of adversity began.
The facts to me look self-evident.
We'll see if he's any nearer meeting the challenge against Villa.

To be fair, he has previously dealt with adversity, at the start of last season, so no reason to presume he won't again. He has repeatedly shown the ability to adapt. Previous experience is the best predictor for future performance.

 

[Tunstall Fred]

The OP said Wilder has not yet met the challenge of dealing with adversity.
We have one point from five games since that period of adversity began.
The facts to me look self-evident.
We'll see if he's any nearer meeting the challenge against Villa.

**** *** Pig,worry about your own teams adversity and manager