Wilder - Get Rid Now, or After Last Game

[Maidenhead]

I can see your point but for me it just raises more questions and concerns about next season.

On one hand I think it’s good Wilder has a plan for next season and the players apparently know where they stand, however… the squad that’s been at his disposal is better than the results we’ve turned out and that is a concern for next season.

It seems unlikely that we’ll have some of the ‘key’ players from this season and will again have to wheel and deal, and based on the last few years, I’m not confident we’ll have a squad anywhere near strong enough to compete.

The final third of the season (and perhaps beyond) has been woeful, and much of that has been down to tactics.

His plan for next season will be to sign old trusted pros and stifle the development of younger players that we need to improve and sell on just to keep the finances stable.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Yeah, a fanbase at each other's throats - very appealing.

That’s going to remain the case as long as Wilder remains at the club, like it or not. But he will still be here at the beginning of next season, so we’ll have to wait and see what unfolds.

 

[CPB]

For a squad like ours that has lost 30 points from winning positions what do you base the success of the season on? If it is survival we are setting ourselves a low bar, that has been a goal in the Premier League every time we have been there. Tonight Blackburn had something to play for we didn’t however those 30 dropped points puts us in 2nd well clear and if in theory that would have happened if we would have won tonight that would have promoted us automatically. I know I am talking this that and the other but realistically Wilder has been terrible this season and the club need to look long term strategies as to how they get rid of his pre Covid legacy that he is clinging on too.

This season hasn't been a success. Far from it.

But it could have been alot, lot worse.

The bar at the start of the season was top 6. That was the target.

After Selles was sacked it was still hopeful of top 6 but first to get us out of the relegation battle.
Even after Wilder took charge I didn't feel performances started to really turn a corner till Wednesday away.
That's 16 games in. And we were still in the relegation zone at that point.

As the season has gone on its clear that yes we have some quality in the squad but also some real dross.

A great deal of the crap this season does point to 14 or so players in last summer of which most barely any start games for us. And it's not like when we see them they look good.

Wilder doesn't get a free pass. Tonight was poor and that first half was utter gash. Had he been here since the season started and he recruited this lot.
Then I think changing manager would be a fair and wise choice. As it is, I remain to be more balanced and think to give him a crack and re assess.

 

[Danetheblade]

Michael Skubala

Not a chance as good a suggestion as that is. The fans won’t take him as he’s not a blade.

 

[Kona]

His plan for next season will be to sign old trusted pros and stifle the development of younger players that we need to improve and sell on just to keep the finances stable.

I’m hoping it’s not but also not convinced it won’t be… and that’s my concern.

 

[skegblade]

Wilder says he has a plan for next season
i reckon we lose a minimum of 3 players cooper peck hamer dont think the players he fetches inwill be as goodfor us as they have
Lampard rates peck and coopers a better keeper than covs

 

[Sean Thornton]

Wilder says he has a plan for next season
i reckon we lose a minimum of 3 players cooper peck hamer dont think the players he fetches inwill be as goodfor us as they have
Lampard rates peck and coopers a better keeper than covs

It appears to go much deeper than Wilder. Root and branch clear out required.

 

[Rudders]

It appears to go much deeper than Wilder. Root and branch clear out required.

I would take Joe Root and Bill Sharp as joint managers as a job share. Root could do the winter months. Proper bladey that with Matt Fitzpatrick flown in to be assistant for the cup

 

[Kona]

It appears to go much deeper than Wilder. Root and branch clear out required.

If Wilder goes, we should absolutely clear out the whole set up. That should be a given.

 

[Kenworthy’s Tash]

Has he mentioned 92 points yet?

 

[Kenworthy’s Tash]

If Wilder goes, we should absolutely clear out the whole set up. That should be a given.

Wilder and his pal Bettis - Job done

 

[Old Programme seller]

My worry is that the owners aren’t capable or up for it

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

We're slowly sleepwalking our way back to League One.

You can feel the general apathy and disinterest permeating throughout the club.

Wilder has lost at least half of the fans now and nobody gives a fuck about any of these players.

 

[Bladeloyal]

Wilder says he has a plan for next season
i reckon we lose a minimum of 3 players cooper peck hamer dont think the players he fetches inwill be as goodfor us as they have
Lampard rates peck and coopers a better keeper than covs

Keep up to speed coopers not back untill pre season at the earliest

 

[Nick Jansky]

When everyone in our section of the South stand is actually laughing out loud and taking the piss out of our manager and players there is probably something not quite right. They were a laughing stock in that first half, so shite and clueless it was funny.

 

[Kona]

Wilder and his pal Bettis - Job done

I think it’s broader than that. It feels like the club is in decline and that is on the owners, the manager and the players. If the owner want to change that trajectory, then some difficult decisions need to be made.

 

[Lane Ender]

Look who’s coming down we’re in for a hard season next year make no mistake

 

[Houston_Blade]

That’s going to remain the case as long as Wilder remains at the club, like it or not. But he will still be here at the beginning of next season, so we’ll have to wait and see what unfolds.

The problem is, it will happen when he leaves as well. Some are just too wedded to Wilder and can’t see any fault.

I’m of the opinion that he’s probably the best person for the job, mainly because to get rid of him would require a serious departure in how we operate, and I don’t think those in charge have the slightest idea where to start.

 

[skegblade]

Keep up to speed coopers not back untill pre season at the earliest

Im aware of that but his injury isnt as bad as arblasters,he shows no signs of a complete recovery,that injury rarely does
Doubt very much coopers here in august

 

[Blade56]

Arguments, now turning into debates with my sons on the Wilder issue (I call him Mr Smith to take the emotion out of the debate).

They say it’s the players not performing. My counter it is Mr Smiths (the managers) job to get them performing.

But they’re not his players. Some are some aren’t but it’s still his job to get them playing.

Got to give him until Christmas. So, uncertain he’s the man, let him spend the limited budget on more journeymen and projects then sack him when we are in the bottom half of the league. Then what? Bring in a new man with no budget to get Mr Smiths purchases to perform for the new guy?

They now concede the key problem is Wilder (Mr Smith), by keeping us up (thank you it was your job) has become bigger than the club.

 

[PokerBlade]

the squad that’s been at his disposal is better than the results we’ve turned out and that is a concern for next season.

I don't think it is. I think we have some quality to get us through games, even put a good run together for a while, but there's some utter dross in it.

Players like McGuinness and Chong. There's a reason they got relegated last season. Bindon will be a good player, possibly at a level above this, but he isn't ready. Cannon is an awful footballer and I'm not even sure he belongs in the Championship. Davies is getting credit for being better than the disaster we expected when in reality he's weak backup on a good day. Rothwell is exactly what we were warned about by his last club. Tanganga is the new Robinson - every time I start to defend him he does something awful.

Some of these aren't Wilder's fault. Some are. But mostly they've been carried by the players that are good enough, and they aren't good enough to compensate for it over the course of a season.

 

[AdamSufc1997]

Liam rosenior now free agent just saying

 

[54yrblade]

Just sat through 94 minutes of evidence as to why Wilder should be sacked.

First half was at or below the levels of those under Selles, Adkins, Heath and Weir.

Second half slightly better, while CW carried out his right arm up, left arm up, bawling at the players and occasionally turning to Knilly routine.

The ground from 75 minutes said it all. We're back to the belief levels we had in the two PL embarrassment seasons, but now in the championship.

A group near us falling out over him. Others laughing at the team and him. Yes, taking the piss out of the manager.

We can't seriously give him more time to play out his own personal football ego trip.

A busted flush.

His 'narrative' is done as should be his time here.

 

[Seth Rollins]

Based on tonight yes. Based on this season. No.

Rubbish. He should have had us in play offs with the squad he has.

 

[UTB Blade]

Not a chance as good a suggestion as that is. The fans won’t take him as he’s not a blade.

Heckingbottom a Blade, was he?

Or Dave Bassett?

Maybe some people just appreciate managers who've achieved promotion(s) with us, and don't appreciate managers who've achieved bugger all with us.

I think you'll find that's a fairly common feeling amongst most football fans.

It's only in the strange world of S2 that having achieved something for the club leads to ridicule and sneering from sections of the fanbase, and ludicrous short-sighted calls to replace proven, competent managers with unproven gambles.

 

[Seth Rollins]

It’s not going to happen pal afraid he’s here until Xmas

Which is why next season is a write off already.

 

[JT89]

Lampard rates peck

But yet the experts on here will tell you he’s shit

 

[wak1889]

Get askou in from Motherwell

 

[Carlton Blade]

There are bigger issues at the club than just Wilder. Mainly that there just aren't enough people and the people who are there are under qualified.

But I think it's extremely fair to question a manager who'd send out that XI that started the match. The ways to consistently attack with that team are very limited. Hoof at Burrows, force everything through Hamer. We tried neither, it was 10 minutes before Hamer touched the ball.

I don't see any argument that a man who sends out a team as poorly set up as that, plus has not shown any ability to consistently change things against good teams (4 wins, 3 draws, 13 defeats in 20 against the top half) should be trusted to run a full club, recruitment and all, with a £30m+ 1st team budget in 2026. If he's to stay, let him focus on improving players and the next result.

Personally, I think his matchday work is now poor enough that even without structural change, there's a strong argument that he's a below average manager at this level and should be replaced

 

[nopigfansintown]

It's a huge rebuilding process. It always was, starting summer 2024. The foundations were laid then, but that's all. Now we are back to square one with a sack of highly paid shite on the books. It'll take two years if everything is done perfectly but probably three. That's how much the summer has set us back. If we don't get this summer right we'll be in a dogfight at the bottom and will likely go down in the next two years.