Wilder Contract

[TJ blade]

The club’s American-based owners, COH Sports, are reportedly considering a managerial change,

 

[Matlock Blade]

But do COH sports realise Chris is one of our own and used to be a ball boy at bramall lane? Surely that is enough to keep him until he reaches retirement age!

 

[FTPE]

But do COH sports realise Chris is one of our own and used to be a ball boy at bramall lane? Surely that is enough to keep him until he reaches retirement age!

Or that nobody else would have got us 92 points last season?

 

[Nick Jansky]

But do COH sports realise Chris is one of our own and used to be a ball boy at bramall lane? Surely that is enough to keep him until he reaches retirement age!

I’m sure that they know lots about him by now.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Or that nobody else would have got us 92 points last season?

Which ultimately counted for nothing and doesn’t give us a style of play to build on for a successful future.

I think he was on a free hit last season because of the timing of the takeover. They may have seen enough by now (not just results) to conclude that he isn’t the future.

 

[FTPE]

Which ultimately counted for nothing and doesn’t give us a style of play to build on for a successful future.

I think he was on a free hit last season because of the timing of the takeover. They may have seen enough by now (not just results) to conclude that he isn’t the future.

I don't think it was a free hit whatsoever. He was up against it with how he left, a large number of fans didnt want him back, more jumped on that wagon after we continued to plummet in the Prem, then we had a huge clear out. If those season had started badly (after the points deduction as well) he'd have been forced out after 10 games.
What is it they've seen enough of then? You say not JUST results, like we finished in Lutons spot. Is it purely because we don't play champagne football? We don't blow other teams away? Why isn't he for the future? Because he's older?
I don't really understand people questioning him long term, but questioning his ability to build a Championship squad and get promoted, is definitely strange.

 

[Nick Jansky]

I don't think it was a free hit whatsoever. He was up against it with how he left, a large number of fans didnt want him back, more jumped on that wagon after we continued to plummet in the Prem, then we had a huge clear out. If those season had started badly (after the points deduction as well) he'd have been forced out after 10 games.
What is it they've seen enough of then? You say not JUST results, like we finished in Lutons spot. Is it purely because we don't play champagne football? We don't blow other teams away? Why isn't he for the future? Because he's older?
I don't really understand people questioning him long term, but questioning his ability to build a Championship squad and get promoted, is definitely strange.

I should have said free hit from the point of view of the new owners, which it was. No matter how they see their future project, he was always going to get this season.

I think they will be concerned at the way he represents the club, which is often very unprofessional.

I think they will be concerned at his refusal to accept responsibility.

I think they will be concerned at a supposedly great motivator blowing up the end of the season in the manner it happened.

I think they will be concerned at his preference to rely on mainly British players.

I think they will be concerned at the turgid style of football. The only people who claim to enjoy it say so because they’re terrified of losing Wilder, in my opinion, and I don’t believe them.

I think they will be concerned at our fitness & conditioning.

I think they will be concerned at the absence of discipline resulting in huge fines.

Could he get us promoted next season? Possibly. But that isn’t necessarily the be all and end all if we’re looking at a project to transform the club. And he isn’t the man for the future, he portrays the wrong culture.

 

[Sportbilly /Detroit Blade]

But do COH sports realise Chris is one of our own and used to be a ball boy at bramall lane? Surely that is enough to keep him until he reaches retirement age!

You laugh, but I honestly think him being a Blade gives many people a distorted view of him (for better or worse).

 

[Houston_Blade]

Realistically all managers these days have pay outs for being forced out which is incredible really. I would love to have this in my contract at work, do a couple of shit shifts and get paid 2 years salary to leave and have the option to rinse and repeat a couple of years later

I used to play with Danny Wilson’s son and my parents live and drink in the same locality as Danny so I’ve seen him regularly over the years.

We used to take the piss out of him because a week after he’d get sacked from anywhere he’d turn up at the pub with a new top spec Range Rover. It pays to be shit when you’re on a guaranteed contract!

 

[steve26272]

Which ultimately counted for nothing and doesn’t give us a style of play to build on for a successful future.

I think he was on a free hit last season because of the timing of the takeover. They may have seen enough by now (not just results) to conclude that he isn’t the future.

Had he created a style of play that wasn’t pass across back 4 till someone gets closed down then twat it forrad, finished top 8 with a cup run and shed himself in good light in the media, I don’t think this convo takes place

People will accept shite football, narcissism and Billy big bollox when it wins stuff, risky gameplan if it doesn’t

 

[Melbourne Blade]

Unless they're willing to push the boat out and tempt some top young German manager from the Bund there's nobody on the market I'd welcome. It would require a complete top to bottom change in our management, coaching, analytics and sports science departments which would come at a significant cost either way.

So we'll stick imho and see how things are by Xmas.

 

[finlaytheblade]

I should have said free hit from the point of view of the new owners, which it was. No matter how they see their future project, he was always going to get this season.

I think they will be concerned at the way he represents the club, which is often very unprofessional.

I think they will be concerned at his refusal to accept responsibility.

I think they will be concerned at a supposedly great motivator blowing up the end of the season in the manner it happened.

I think they will be concerned at his preference to rely on mainly British players.

I think they will be concerned at the turgid style of football. The only people who claim to enjoy it say so because they’re terrified of losing Wilder, in my opinion, and I don’t believe them.

I think they will be concerned at our fitness & conditioning.

I think they will be concerned at the absence of discipline resulting in huge fines.

Could he get us promoted next season? Possibly. But that isn’t necessarily the be all and end all if we’re looking at a project to transform the club. And he isn’t the man for the future, he portrays the wrong culture.

Unless they have advisers against! CW will get another crack at it.
They havnt come in for fun ! Successful businessmen so Interesting times!

 

[Nick Jansky]

Unless they have advisers against! CW will get another crack at it.
They havnt come in for fun ! Successful businessmen so Interesting times!

He might well get another crack at taking us up. I can’t imagine he’ll still be around after next season, though.

 

[Nick Jansky]

a complete top to bottom change in our management, coaching, analytics and sports science departments which would come at a significant cost either way.

You’re saying you don’t think this should happen? That we should just carry on as we’ve always done?

Thankfully, from what the owners have already said, we know that they don’t agree with you.

 

[Muttley]

It's a bit of a conundrum. He won 92 points which was a brilliant total. However, the image he now gives the club, and therefore the owners is not great. I'm sure if they decide to keep him then they will be having some serious words with Wilder about the way he conducts his self and his players.

I reckon he stays, for now at least but under tighter scrutiny.

 

[Nick Jansky]

It's a bit of a conundrum. He won 92 points which was a brilliant total. However, the image he now gives the club, and therefore the owners is not great. I'm sure if they decide to keep him then they will be having some serious words with Wilder about the way he conducts his self and his players.

I reckon he stays, for now at least but under tighter scrutiny.

Such as him having to personally pay any future fines as they stem from a culture created by him and he ultimately controls (or fails to control) the players.

 

[Pintor75]

I think if the owners don't have anyone in place to take over straight away, giving them time to build in the summer we'll be stuck with wilder who'll be told to cut out the shenanigans that reflect badly on the club, if they are as ambitious as they claim he has to go, his football has no style or system and is boring to watch, some of the players we have were/are capable without any coaching of being in the top , what they need is fine tuning , which this manager and coaches can't provide, they've reached their peak and we need someone to take us to the next level or it's the same old stuff over again,

 

[The Crab]

You laugh, but I honestly think him being a Blade gives many people a distorted view of him (for better or worse).

Completely agree

 

[robbiez666]

I should have said free hit from the point of view of the new owners, which it was. No matter how they see their future project, he was always going to get this season.

I think they will be concerned at the way he represents the club, which is often very unprofessional.

I think they will be concerned at his refusal to accept responsibility.

I think they will be concerned at a supposedly great motivator blowing up the end of the season in the manner it happened.

I think they will be concerned at his preference to rely on mainly British players.

I think they will be concerned at the turgid style of football. The only people who claim to enjoy it say so because they’re terrified of losing Wilder, in my opinion, and I don’t believe them.

I think they will be concerned at our fitness & conditioning.

I think they will be concerned at the absence of discipline resulting in huge fines.

Could he get us promoted next season? Possibly. But that isn’t necessarily the be all and end all if we’re looking at a project to transform the club. And he isn’t the man for the future, he portrays the wrong culture.

Spot on.

I remember people used to criticise Hecky's promotion team for only being able to play well for 45-60 minutes. That now feels like a distant dream!

I think this big question is that while Wilder might be able to get us promoted it seems highly unlikely he could then keep us up. We had a style before and let playing that style. He'd shown himself to be woeful at dealing with pressure and adversity. When things aren't going well he seems to lose the plot. Can't deal with the stress. People laugh about Dyche but he's leagues ahead at fighting for survival.

So, if the owners want a club that is capable of establishing itself in the top flight they could either try and do it once promoted or start now.

 

[Blade56]

Looking back at last week & the wilder interviews, did anyone notice any comments such as "we'll be back stronger next year", " we have to pick ourselves up and regroup " or "It's up to me and the staff to get us up there again"etc?, I didn't, and that's not wilder

He said I’ll be back 1st July

 

[PageHallBlade]

Unless they're willing to push the boat out and tempt some top young German manager from the Bund there's nobody on the market I'd welcome. It would require a complete top to bottom change in our management, coaching, analytics and sports science departments which would come at a significant cost either way.

So we'll stick imho and see how things are by Xmas.

came to post this

 

[Blade56]

Wilder like a section of our fans seem to thrive on us being disliked, swimming against the flow, sticking 2 figures up to authority.

If we had been promoted I had serious doubts about keeping Wilder in post. I wanted a top to bottom rebuild and change in ‘little old historic SUFC’ and ’it’s us against everyone to do with football’ mentality.

It’s time to get in the bigger game, we’re going (and staying) nowhere with the clubs pre new owner reputation.

My big hope was the ‘new blades’ would be born with promotion, a club with ambition and not just ‘pashun’. A club in the news for its achievements and not its off field antics or on field fines due to the ‘pashun’ that’s been the overriding quality we’ve looked for in players.

Ambition is just as good a trait in players wanting to win things as pashun for SUFC is. They are professionals with a short window to achieve their ambitions.

But we weren’t promoted, fact! Wilder was invincible when the owners arrived with his record and league position. They were ham tied to stick with it.

But it went so t!ts up after we hit the top spot clear of wobbling Leeds and boring Burnley.

Wilder booted by a double pigs win and fate in our own hands did what he did at Wembley, tried to defend the lead. He reverted to type, bottled it and tried to coast over the line.

The result was a totally collapse if everything achieved so far within a week - ten day period.

He handed the new owner a kick in their invested nuts, their pier pride and an opportunity to decide if he is or is not the right man for the job.

My hope now is (and failure to achieve might have been the catalyst) the owners will still push ahead with a scaled down rebuild.

That will still require a new leader, are they brave enough? I think we will know in the next 7-10 days tops. No black smoke by then and it’s rinse and repeat.

 

[CPB]

When I see the words turgid style of play I do think that fans are letting their own opinion cloud their judgement.

I would more so say it's our general pattern of play that needs improving.
The majority of our goals are well worked goals. Often with nice passages of passing to open up a defence.

But our general pattern of play outside of that means we don't have concerted pressure on the ball. It is played along the back four too much.

Resulting in what we would call poor performances.

We most definitely need to see that be improved. I do think arblaster can help this if he has recovered well. He's good at receiving and carrying the ball into opposing Half's.

Souza and Peck for all their strengths don't offer this much.

The system needs improving with personnel and training. But gaining 92 PTS shows it's been effective at getting points.

A new manager would likely play quite different meaning it could take them 2-3 windows to change things too.

Owners need to bare everything in mind if they are considering a change.

 

[Blade56]

Question for Wilder supporters.

If we had won 92 points but lost both deby games would your sentiments to keeping Wilder be as strong?

 

[Aston max]

As i told my wife at the time . She’s now so unhappy with her millionaire toyboy in The Algarve , she doesn’t know what she’s missing here in Dinnington.

Her loss

Aye squirrel is still open ! What more do you need

 

[Jimmy Fleck]

A new manager would likely play quite different meaning it could take them 2-3 windows to change things too.

Was that the case for le bris or Parker? No.

 

[Aston max]

Sack wilder, gerra name in who can bring in top signings because of who he is and what he did as a player.... Wayne Rooney

 

[docpaceshoulder]

I should have said free hit from the point of view of the new owners, which it was. No matter how they see their future project, he was always going to get this season.

I think they will be concerned at the way he represents the club, which is often very unprofessional.

I think they will be concerned at his refusal to accept responsibility.

I think they will be concerned at a supposedly great motivator blowing up the end of the season in the manner it happened.

I think they will be concerned at his preference to rely on mainly British players.

I think they will be concerned at the turgid style of football. The only people who claim to enjoy it say so because they’re terrified of losing Wilder, in my opinion, and I don’t believe them.

I think they will be concerned at our fitness & conditioning.

I think they will be concerned at the absence of discipline resulting in huge fines.

Could he get us promoted next season? Possibly. But that isn’t necessarily the be all and end all if we’re looking at a project to transform the club. And he isn’t the man for the future, he portrays the wrong culture.

I should have said free hit from the point of view of the new owners, which it was. No matter how they see their future project, he was always going to get this season.

I think they will be concerned at the way he represents the club, which is often very unprofessional.

I think they will be concerned at his refusal to accept responsibility.

I think they will be concerned at a supposedly great motivator blowing up the end of the season in the manner it happened.

I think they will be concerned at his preference to rely on mainly British players.

I think they will be concerned at the turgid style of football. The only people who claim to enjoy it say so because they’re terrified of losing Wilder, in my opinion, and I don’t believe them.

I think they will be concerned at our fitness & conditioning.

I think they will be concerned at the absence of discipline resulting in huge fines.

Could he get us promoted next season? Possibly. But that isn’t necessarily the be all and end all if we’re looking at a project to transform the club. And he isn’t the man for the future, he portrays the wrong culture.

Always a risk changing management but if was a new owner I would definitely want to freshen things up.
This could be changing the manager (risky) or insisting on new blood to be included in the team e.g. a Director of Football or a new number 2, instead of AK.
I personally think the management team needs a refresh if we're going to progress but I doubt CW would agree to this, which could lead to the end of his road

 

[Blade56]

Always a risk changing management but if was a new owner I would definitely want to freshen things up.
This could be changing the manager (risky) or insisting on new blood to be included in the team e.g. a Director of Football or a new number 2, instead of AK.
I personally think the management team needs a refresh if we're going to progress but I doubt CW would agree to this, which could lead to the end of his road

He’ll agree if he can’t get a payout and leave by mutual consent if he can

 

[Pintor75]

Not sure on DOF tbh, rather have a clear out of manager and his coaching team then bring a completely new coaching team in, they've done excellent in the past , but have taken us imo as far as they can, a new approach is needed