Wilder annoyed at transfer-listed players who won’t leave

[Cheesebored]

We don't know what the financial situation of these players is. They have short playing careers and below the PL I would think it's not so easy to make a few years' earning stretch a lifetime, especially if they're looking for a degree of luxury. "Professional Pride" is meaningless. They are probably prouder being a footballer at a PL club than they would be at a L1 club anyway, playing or not. Expecting footballers to ignore their own contracts when it suits the club is bizarre. It's hard enough getting a regular place in a first team, earning a good contract, being lucky enough to get promotion bonuses and pay increases. Saying, "Now you've made it, now you've got the good wage, go away and earn less" is not something many people would do in their own lives.

I understand the point for 90% of the population regards financial security but not footballers in the current financial windfall that is professional football. If professional pride is meaningless I'm glad I never interviewed you for a job. With all due respect, I wouldn't have been employing you.

 

[8lade]

Perhaps it's not even so much a pop at the player's but their agents, then again although the players shouldn't lose out there won't be a large amount in it for the agents. Maybe it's time to change your agent given there won't be massive pots of money in the final few moves of your career.

 

[Hamburg Blade]

I understand the point for 90% of the population regards financial security but not footballers in the current financial windfall that is professional football. If professional pride is meaningless I'm glad I never interviewed you for a job. With all due respect, I wouldn't have been employing you.

If I was working for you and you no longer had need of my services, but refused to make me redundant and pay off my contract, instead telling other people publicly that I should sling my hook, whereas I would be under contract, willing to work, without an equivalent job to go to, I would suggest it would be me being professional and you being unprofessional. I'm not sure where the "Pride" comes in to any of this.
What would your question be in the interview that showed you that you shouldn't employ me, as I wouldn't be leaving when you wanted me to at no cost to you?
And can you tell me how much the above mentioned players have earnt so far in their careers?

 

[BushBlade]

Perhaps it's not even so much a pop at the player's but their agents, then again although the players shouldn't lose out there won't be a large amount in it for the agents. Maybe it's time to change your agent given there won't be massive pots of money in the final few moves of your career.

I think Holmes is unlikely to get a move as he seems to be permanently injured. Played no games for Gillingham on loan in the latter part of last season.

I can only see Jake Wright making one more move, if he doesn’t retire. Didn’t he fail a medical at Scunny in the JTW?

Heneghan should certainly be looking for a move, he’s probably good enough for a go at the championship.

 

[Large Mendonca]

Difficult to comment really as we're not in Wilder's position - he'll know the player's individual circumstances way more than we can. I can't imagine he's a heartless cold blooded manager with no feelings with regards to whether the players are settled in the area / kids settled in schools etc.
Maybe a couple of them are taking the piss with absolutely no motivation to train / get match fit, and maybe this has riled him ?

Who knows.........

 

[Woodwardfan]

However successful he is and however long he has been a manager, doesn't mean he can't be wrong. I think he's wrong on this, but even if you think he's right, it can't possibly be described as honourable or sentimental.

Sorry Hamburg, you're not reading my post no.63 properly. No more I can add to it. I didn't actually say what you think I said, take another look at it please. I know exactly where you are coming from but I put it all in that context, or so I believe anyway.

 

[BladeTillIDie]

Difficult to comment really as we're not in Wilder's position - he'll know the player's individual circumstances way more than we can. I can't imagine he's a heartless cold blooded manager with no feelings with regards to whether the players are settled in the area / kids settled in schools etc.
Maybe a couple of them are taking the piss with absolutely no motivation to train / get match fit, and maybe this has riled him ?

Who knows.........

No no no. Its all Wilders fault.. Imagine having a privilege of being a professional footballer but not willing to take paycut just to waste your career away. All them 5 players wouldnt have even been premier league/championship footballers if it werent for Wilder.

Hope you get shut soon Sir Chris.

 

[Hamburg Blade]

Sorry Hamburg, you're not reading my post no.63 properly. No more I can add to it. I didn't actually say what you think I said, take another look at it please. I know exactly where you are coming from but I put it all in that context, or so I believe anyway.

I think I am reading it correctly. You're saying you believe he is being honourable and sentimental (i.e. doing the decent thing) up until the point the players don't take the hint and do what he says. Then he gets gritty and makes an example of them for the rest of the players to see. However, the players' contracts haven't changed in the meantime. He either respects the contracts or he doesn't. If the club have sorted out deals, either loan or transfer, that don't mean a big drop in pay and the players have refused the move then I would fully understand Wilder's view, but I don't believe that is what happened.

 

[diplomat]

Promotion bonuses should be paid as a lump sum, primarily dependent upon matches play, appearances as sub or inclusion in the match day squad.
Players retained for the following season in a higher division should have an increase in wage / bonuses if they feature as detailed above.
This enables the club to alleviate players who either do not perform or just want to hang around to pick up a pay packet

Norwich in the mid 90’s had a system where everyone had the same basic. That then increased if you played, again if the team won. This is an ideal system but then you will get players offered a higher basic without the need to hit incentives. Or in their case, Blackburn took Sutton and paid him a fortune. However, if harmony Can be reached it would be fitting in within a structure and realising why you are where you are in that structure.

Someone told me once of a player that was signed on a £5k p/w basic in league one by Southampton. His contract stipulated that it doubled if they got promoted. They did, twice. An ok league one player was on £20k p/w basic and no one who wanted him could get close. Even on loan Southampton we’re paying £18-19k of his salary.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Norwich in the mid 90’s had a system where everyone had the same basic. That then increased if you played, again if the team won. This is an ideal system but then you will get players offered a higher basic without the need to hit incentives. Or in their case, Blackburn took Sutton and paid him a fortune. However, if harmony Can be reached it would be fitting in within a structure and realising why you are where you are in that structure.

Someone told me once of a player that was signed on a £5k p/w basic in league one by Southampton. His contract stipulated that it doubled if they got promoted. They did, twice. An ok league one player was on £20k p/w basic and no one who wanted him could get close. Even on loan Southampton we’re paying £18-19k of his

Sorry!

 

[Woodwardfan]

I think I am reading it correctly. You're saying you believe he is being honourable and sentimental (i.e. doing the decent thing) up until the point the players don't take the hint and do what he says. Then he gets gritty and makes an example of them for the rest of the players to see. However, the players' contracts haven't changed in the meantime. He either respects the contracts or he doesn't. If the club have sorted out deals, either loan or transfer, that don't mean a big drop in pay and the players have refused the move then I would fully understand Wilder's view, but I don't believe that is what happened.

I did say all of that !! There we go.

 

[Th!stledo]

He could but that’s the problem with post match interviews, a manager has been concentrating on the game, is emotional about the result and then gets broadsided with a question he wasn’t expecting. So he says what he thinks rather than trotting out a pre prepared answer.

It’s very easy to say what he should have said after the event. We’ve all been on the spot at some time in our lives and thought, with the benefit of hindsight ‘I should have answered that better, I should have said this’

Totally understand your point and agree. Meaning it or not, the fact is that these comments in the media will put pressure on the players concerned and potentially effect their future career. If in hindsight CW feels differently then shouldn't he use the media to make his feeling clear?

 

[robbiez666]

I think I’m right in saying none of them can play for us in The Premier League as they weren’t named in the 25 man squad.

I don’t think it’s the money that bothers Wilder so much as the fact that he likes to keep a small, competitive squad and doesn’t want non-playing players hanging around potentially damaging morale.

From the players point of view, we’re not talking about factory workers taking a break from the daily grind. Surely when you’re lucky enough to be born with a talent you want to use that for as long as you’re physically able. They only have a 20 year career in which to win trophies, become heroes and make memories. I wouldn’t want to squander the last few of them just training every day with no prospect of ever playing.

I tell you what, I'll train or not even have to train for a year if you're paying me £10k per week. Fuck me, we'd all jump at the chance to do nothing for huge money.

Would they have had a role if we'd not been promoted as well? Two way streak and Chris seems to want people to just do what he wants and that's the be all and end all. Life doesn't work like that. No one would stand for employees being treated like this in a normal job. It's absolutely shitty and extremely Tory.

 

[BushBlade]

Totally understand your point and agree. Meaning it or not, the fact is that these comments in the media will put pressure on the players concerned and potentially effect their future career. If in hindsight CW feels differently then shouldn't he use the media to make his feeling clear?

No because he meant it. I’m not saying he didn’t mean it, I’m saying he should have worded it a bit differently. He can’t now backtrack, that would make things worse by drawing more attention to it. It would be all but forgotten if The Star hadn’t decided to take a twenty second quote and make an article out of it.

And so what if it puts pressure on them? They’re picking up a wage for nowt. If they’re bothered about their future careers, then take a cut and leave.

 

[benn5712]

He might buy it off yer ..

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Got to be a joke in there with "Jon" and "Jilted".
I can't think of one.

 

[BushBlade]

I tell you what, I'll train or not even have to train for a year if you're paying me £10k per week. Fuck me, we'd all jump at the chance to do nothing for huge money.

Would they have had a role if we'd not been promoted as well? Two way streak and Chris seems to want people to just do what he wants and that's the be all and end all. Life doesn't work like that. No one would stand for employees being treated like this in a normal job. It's absolutely shitty and extremely Tory.

Lol, I worked on building sites in the eighties. I’ve been treated far worse. For £10k a week Wilder could call me a pig fan in The Star every day.

 

[Th!stledo]

No because he meant it. I’m not saying he didn’t mean it, I’m saying he should have worded it a bit differently. He can’t now backtrack, that would make things worse by drawing more attention to it. It would be all but forgotten if The Star hadn’t decided to take a twenty second quote and make an article out of it.

And so what if it puts pressure on them? They’re picking up a wage for nowt. If they’re bothered about their future careers, then take a cut and leave.

Have to disagree on that one.
They're picking up a wage because of a mutually agreed contract. It is not their fault United no longer feel that their contributions are required?

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

No because he meant it. I’m not saying he didn’t mean it, I’m saying he should have worded it a bit differently. He can’t now backtrack, that would make things worse by drawing more attention to it. It would be all but forgotten if The Star hadn’t decided to take a twenty second quote and make an article out of it.

And so what if it puts pressure on them? They’re picking up a wage for nowt. If they’re bothered about their future careers, then take a cut and leave.

Chris Wilder tells transfer listed players to 'go and get a club'

Sheffield United manager Chris Wilder has told the players not in his plans to 'go and get a club'. Wilder has grown frustrated at the reluctance of some of his players to pursue moves elsewhere.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[BushBlade]

Have to disagree on that one.
They're picking up a wage because of a mutually agreed contract. It is not their fault United no longer feel that their contributions are required?

I didn’t say it was their fault. We’re just repeating arguments that have already been made over the previous six pages now.

 

[BushBlade]

Chris Wilder tells transfer listed players to 'go and get a club'

Sheffield United manager Chris Wilder has told the players not in his plans to 'go and get a club'. Wilder has grown frustrated at the reluctance of some of his players to pursue moves elsewhere.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Obviously they’ve just picked up on Danny’s story in the Star.

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

Obviously they’ve just picked up on Danny’s story in the Star.

I know, i was just pointing out how a 20 secs radio clip, can get turned into a Star story, and then onto the nationals. As a premier league manager, your comments/musings are always big news.

 

[BushBlade]

I know, i was just pointing out how a 20 secs radio clip, can get turned into a Star story, and then onto the nationals. As a premier league manager, you're comments/musings are always big news.

Makes you wonder what they’d make of Bassett saying his player ‘had the brains of a rocking horse’.

There’d be posters on here saying how terrible it was to hurt his feelings. (And then post about how shit Gannon is).

 

[Cheesebored]

If I was working for you and you no longer had need of my services, but refused to make me redundant and pay off my contract, instead telling other people publicly that I should sling my hook, whereas I would be under contract, willing to work, without an equivalent job to go to, I would suggest it would be me being professional and you being unprofessional. I'm not sure where the "Pride" comes in to any of this.
What would your question be in the interview that showed you that you shouldn't employ me, as I wouldn't be leaving when you wanted me to at no cost to you?
And can you tell me how much the above mentioned players have earnt so far in their careers?

You stated that professional pride was irrelevant. I take issue with that point. Were I interviewing you I'd ask you whether you felt professional pride was important in your role and when you answered no you'd be marked down and the possibility would arise that another candidate, dependant on other answers, would get the job in front of you. I've no idea how much the players Wilder suggests are reticent to move on are earning, but might suggest that given their ages have earned enough at previous clubs as well as 3 or 4 years at United, with sponsorship on top, to live happily ever after without financial worry, for their living days. I'm grateful for the jobs they've done here, Clarke and Wright ( in the first season) in particular, but will lose no sleep worrying about their future financial security.

 

[Th!stledo]

I didn’t say it was their fault. We’re just repeating arguments that have already been made over the previous six pages now.

By saying, "They’re picking up a wage for nowt.", insinuates to me that you feel they are in some way responsible for the situation. I disagree.

 

[Jon Bon II]

I don't believe you

Pic or it didn't happen.. Meet Heneghan...

 

[Jon Bon II]

He might buy it off yer ..

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I'm seeing him in November, I'll ask him....

 

[stringer]

Someone told me once of a player that was signed on a £5k p/w basic in league one by Southampton. His contract stipulated that it doubled if they got promoted. They did, twice. An ok league one player was on £20k p/w basic and no one who wanted him could get close. Even on loan Southampton we’re paying £18-19k of his salary.

And the other £1-2k wasn’t paid a million miles away

 

[nickwr37]

Pic or it didn't happen.. Meet Heneghan...
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I have read all this thread and saw this synopsis earlier from you JBII. I agree with some more than others. My question is will this get more pages than NP thread and will you sell that to me for £30? This thread needed lightening up whilst I watch Weeds....

 

[Hamburg Blade]

You stated that professional pride was irrelevant. I take issue with that point. Were I interviewing you I'd ask you whether you felt professional pride was important in your role and when you answered no you'd be marked down and the possibility would arise that another candidate, dependant on other answers, would get the job in front of you. I've no idea how much the players Wilder suggests are reticent to move on are earning, but might suggest that given their ages have earned enough at previous clubs as well as 3 or 4 years at United, with sponsorship on top, to live happily ever after without financial worry, for their living days. I'm grateful for the jobs they've done here, Clarke and Wright ( in the first season) in particular, but will lose no sleep worrying about their future financial security.

I wouldn't answer no, I would answer yes. My idea of professional pride isn't leaving for a lower paid job in a lesser company because my boss doesn't want me around anymore. My idea of professional pride is doing my job to the best of my ability. I have no doubt these players want to do just that, but aren't in the squad so they can't, hence it's irrelevant - or put another way, it isn't what you think it is.
You also can't say you've no idea how much these players have earnt but know they will be financially well off for the rest of their lives. That makes no sense.

 

[Scooter_mcgavin]

No no no. Its all Wilders fault.. Imagine having a privilege of being a professional footballer but not willing to take paycut just to waste your career away. All them 5 players wouldnt have even been premier league/championship footballers if it werent for Wilder.

Hope you get shut soon Sir Chris.

Conversely we wouldn't be where we are without some of those footballers.

Works both ways.