Why I think back to back promotions are possible

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Personally I'm keeping my feet on the ground and I'm wary of too many getting carried away and then there being a backlash if we have a tough season.

That said I'm confident we'll do ok and it's also worth noting that teams who have gone up with an ethos like ours (Bournemouth, Brentford, Brighton) have prospered.
 



It's quite funny. I know some Villa fans and they have us down as "dark horses for promotion" next season. I told them "comfortable mid table".

Our chances of promotion is mainly down to scoring goals.

Our main 3 will be Sharp, Clarke and Evans.

Sharp, we know is a great finisher but he's never been the quickest and needs team mates that can play pinpoint passes to set him up.

Everyone in the game knows Clarke has the ability but he's massively under achieved in his career. Next season will be his last chance to become a nationally well known top player. Let's see if Leon takes this opportunity.

And finally much of our success could be down to Evans. It's a gamble but if he regains his sharpness and best form then for me he's better than Jordan Rhodes and we've arguably bought a lower PL player on the cheap.

Too many question marks about these players BUT if they all perform to their best then the playoffs are realistic BUT logic would say it's unrealistic for all 3 to perform at their best, hence why I predict a similar season Barnsley.

Brief flirtations near the playoffs but comfortable mid table BUT with Chris Wilder anything is possible.
 
I think there's every reason to be optimistic about pushing the top end of the table, i.e. top 6. Don't know if any of you heard TC on the radio yesterday but he was talking about the quality of the football we've played, yes we know it's only League 1, but as he said, some of the football has been Premiership class - and it has. It's actually been amongst the best football I've ever seen a Blades team play in any division. That makes me very confident - that and the knowledge that Wilder is one hell of a good manager who won't hesitate to fix things if they aren't right and will continue to play this expansive, attacking, passing football. In some ways we'll have a bit more time and space to do that as well in the Championship - it's not quite so physical and in your face as league 1. The big challenge is we will get done for mistakes more and be coming up against some very good technical players. We'll need to have a bit more pace in the side, both up front and at the back, but I'm sure Wilder will be aware of that and be looking to strengthen.

Let me ask a question...Do you think this current squad could beat Barnsley? They sold off their best players in Jan and still finished comfortably in mid-table. We beat them last season with a team nowhere near as good as this one when they had their best players available. I don't think we'll have any problem finishing higher next season than they have finished this - they are currently 14th. But get the recruitment right and we'll be back to where we were when we played in the Championship before - a side pushing for the top 6 every season - bar one of course!

"talking about the quality of the football we've played, yes we know it's only League 1, but as he said, some of the football has been Premiership class - and it has." - Might I suggest this is possibly because the lowly quality of the opposition allowed us to play like this maybe?
 
Optimism is one thing, but it's borderline arrogance to think we can go up and get promoted again. It's a classic case of fans getting carried away and expecting to much.

We have to earn the right to be up there in any league. After 6 seasons in League 1 I thought our fans more than anybody would have sense of perspective. Let's look to consolidate next year and build from there in subsequent seasons.

At the rate of some of the expectation here, if Wilder isn't in the top 10 at Xmas we will be calling for his head. Absolute madness.

Let's just wait and see how we fare next season. Trust That Wilder is the best man for the job and that if we finish fourth from bottom that's where we were at, and if it's higher than that, fantastic!
 
"talking about the quality of the football we've played, yes we know it's only League 1, but as he said, some of the football has been Premiership class - and it has." - Might I suggest this is possibly because the lowly quality of the opposition allowed us to play like this maybe?

Totally agree.

A common theme in matches was opposition managers would order their players to quickly close us down and put us under pressure. In the 1st half some matches were close.

Then in the 2nd half opponents would be knackered and unable to keep up their pressing game, so they would drop back to their penalty areas and our midfield would take over the match being allowed loads of space.
 
this is possibly because the lowly quality of the opposition allowed us to play like this maybe?

I'd agree with that, although what gives me hope is that Chris Wilder and his team are able to instill their values and way of playing football into a team, also they know what type of player is required to do it.

If Wilder wasn't a Blade I have no doubt we'd be at risk of losing him to an established Championship team or one of the teams relegated from the Prem this year.

We might not have the budget to buy the quality of some in the league but I think we've got the best manager in that division and if anyone can get a group to overachieve it's him.
 
Realistically Norwich and Villa are likely to do much better next season and surely Derby are due to go up one of these days.
Not massively convinced by the teams coming down but it would be a surprise if at least one of them isn't in the top six and probably more likely two.
Plus at least one of the play-off teams from this year will do well again etc, etc.
Hard to see United troubling the top six unless we are exceptionally managed (possible) and make just the right additions (pace essential) without damaging team spirit.
 
Promotion is a pipe dream (I dont blame anyone for dreaming) heres the negative reality check and my concerns which wilder might address before next season. The teams that went up last season only the highest scoring, more expansive champions have come back down. The teams with the better defensive records have stayed up after strengthening (barnsleys record last year you would have to use after christmas to get a true defensive idea)(and they did lose mawson) so that indicates its no where near as easy to score next and much harder to defend. (It turns my stomach to think bolton might do better than us, due to conceding less). Im usually wrong but I fear its going to be harder than many think..... sorry and I hope im wrong
 
There's always a team that has momentum behind them and surprises.

Why not us?

We are the only team coming up with proper momentum this time.

It depends how much faith you have in those in charge.

I think we'll have the best manager in the division. And I think we are genuinely into something special.

I'm not getting carried away. I'm 41 this year, been there and seen it. The feeling I have is similar to when Bassett first arrived and I think next year's Championship is in for a shock.

Look at the players. They believe it too. All saying best atmosphere they've ever had in a club. Even those like McNulty who probably know they are off are overcome by the buzz.

There'll be no consolidation. It will be Wilder and boys having 'a right good ho' at all that we face.

After 4 games I came on here and said we need to wait, trust the manager and trust his abilities. Let's see where we are in May 2018 but this is what I feel right now.
 
I few grunters claim we don't have the foundations for back to back promotions to which I agree to a certain extent. However, are we all forgetting what Wilder actually did with a certain club in league 2? He took over a club that looked doomed and did the unthinkable and got them promoted, by a good margain! Could he not do it again (not suggesting we look doomed already)? I don't think he will but it's not a forgone conclusion he won't. As they say we live in hope.....
 
Middlesbrough will walk the league. Sunderland will finish top 8. Swansea or Hull top 6.

Ridiculous to suggest otherwise.
Disagree, look at Norwich and Villa and how they've struggled, it's hard to arrest a slide.
I think Swansea will come down but they would bounce straight back, but Hull would lose their gaffer on way down so they wouldn't. Sunderland will have to have a huge huge clearout. Nor will Boro for me - they don't even have a manager.

I predict top 6 to be something like:
Swansea
Villa
Fulham (if they dont go up)
Wendy (" ")
Norwich
Reading (" ")

In no paticular order
 
Is it me, or does anybody think that there are comparisons between the period between Aug 88 to May 90 to now ?

Yes I do. Both managers getting more out of the players and creating teams that are more than the sum of their parts. Not forgetting Wilder was a part of that double promotion team as well. The difference now is we play more attractive football - potentially we have got the best manager since John Harris.
 
Amongst all the great feeling this promotion has provided, I may not be the only one in feeling that this is just the beginning.

I'm not one for getting too swept up in things but I can see a number of things in our favour. Namely:

1. Relegated teams. Let's be fair, there's some right garbage coming down from the Premier League. Sunderland are awful, need a huge clearout of players under contract, which will not be easy and their only dependable player in Defoe will definitely be off plus their manager is under huge pressure and might not even stay. Middlesborough squeezed up but Brighton were a better team. They've got few stars and will start the season probably with a new manager and the uncertainty that brings. Swansea are nothing special and have few stars to worry about. Hull, have one or two tidy players, but the better ones would clearly move on like Maguire, Robertson etc. A number are loanees who will return to their parent clubs.

2. Promoted teams. Brighton and Newcastle have been head and shoulders above and will not be there. Of the play off teams, is there really much to fear in Fulham, Wednesday, Reading and Huddersfield? Yes, they've done well, but there's nothing that says runaway leaders to me at all. Leeds will be starting from scratch once more. Norwich also.

3. Burton. Beg, stole and borrowed players, on a minimal budget and stayed up relatively easily. Most most of their signings were more suitable top end League One. We'll have far more ambition.

4. Goals. Theoretically it will be harder to score in the Championship. But 92 league goals in a season shows some capability. I understand the 'gamble' aspect of Evans though the investment (I bet far less than 500k) vs potential return is huge; he's potentially better than Rhodes with the right circumstances. But also, for a promoted team, how many can boast 2 strikers with the capacity to score 30+ goals in a full season? United have this with Evans and Sharp. Clarke is also a 20 goal man at some point in his career. Other options exist, but I don't see us struggling to score.

5. Our midfield. We have a certain style to us which I don't see disappearing overnight. Coutts isn't going to lose the ability to retain the ball and pick a pass. Fleck isn't going to lose the ability to run with the ball. I can see Duffy being hit and miss, but he adds to that style and I think this is where Chris will get him some help. I wouldn't be surprised to see Maddison, Holmes or Chapman join us in the close season. All of which should be affordable wage wise, all of which hard workers. I caught a glimpse of the Bolton game the other day and Maddison was outstanding. Holmes has stepped up one level with ease.

6. Signings. Wilder's record is very good. I can see him making sensible signings which will be affordable and take us to the next level. Evans, modest outlay, potential decent reward. The likes of Holmes, affordable but potential match winner. There's at least two very good keepers we are linked with, both on frees in Etheridge and Smith to give more depth. You've got the young Southampton guy who plays RB, RWB and CB who would also fit the young and hungry mold. What else do we need? Perhaps Riley to return and provide further cover for both fullbacks? Even in midfield, Carruthers is still untapped and Whiteman has made a strong case for a squad place. With sensible additions, Wilder can make the squad even more formidable without breaking the bank.

7. Funding. On top of the signings mentioned above, and aside from Kevin and the Prince committing to support the manager, there's going to be some bonus funding coming our way isn't there? Walker is being targeted by Man City, Bayern Munich, Barcelona if the papers are to be believed and at a handsome fee. No smoke without fire. Then Harry. Does he fulfill his ambitions at Hull? I can't see it. Both have sell-ons to the best of my knowledge.

8. The Management. There's a relentless approach we haven't seen in a long time. We could have let up after Northampton, but that's not the mentality. Why would it change? The mentality is to attack and to win. At 3 points for a win and with this approach, top 6 could be achieved in my view if not better.

I'm not by any means counting my chickens at all and will enjoy what comes next, but there is certainly no reason to fear what awaits, especially with the terrific backing the team and management can rely on.
It happened in 1990.
It is possible to happen again. Not necessarily about to happen. Could happen. We may struggle to score. Lack of mobility all round including in our talented midfield.
Transfers in will help.
 



To go up to the Prem you need a defence that will reliably and consistently be able to shut out quality teams on a regular basis. I'm not confident ours can do that, as much as I love the guys we have.

With some additions then perhaps but even then it will take time to get used to the league, teams, style of play etc, so we will likely lose a few too many along the way.

Whether we finish 6th or 16th, for me the most important thing is that we continue to play progressive, attacking football and don't compromise our ethos. If that does mean we finish lower half then its much easier to strengthen in defence than it is to try to recreate an attacking style after regressing to negative tactics. Luckily i have complete faith that Wilder will have us set up right.
 
I think there's every reason to be optimistic about pushing the top end of the table, i.e. top 6. Don't know if any of you heard TC on the radio yesterday but he was talking about the quality of the football we've played, yes we know it's only League 1, but as he said, some of the football has been Premiership class - and it has. It's actually been amongst the best football I've ever seen a Blades team play in any division. That makes me very confident - that and the knowledge that Wilder is one hell of a good manager who won't hesitate to fix things if they aren't right and will continue to play this expansive, attacking, passing football. In some ways we'll have a bit more time and space to do that as well in the Championship - it's not quite so physical and in your face as league 1. The big challenge is we will get done for mistakes more and be coming up against some very good technical players. We'll need to have a bit more pace in the side, both up front and at the back, but I'm sure Wilder will be aware of that and be looking to strengthen.

Let me ask a question...Do you think this current squad could beat Barnsley? They sold off their best players in Jan and still finished comfortably in mid-table. We beat them last season with a team nowhere near as good as this one when they had their best players available. I don't think we'll have any problem finishing higher next season than they have finished this - they are currently 14th. But get the recruitment right and we'll be back to where we were when we played in the Championship before - a side pushing for the top 6 every season - bar one of course!
Versus Barnsley last season.
Nov 28 was 0 0.
April 23 was 1 1.
 
It's quite funny. I know some Villa fans and they have us down as "dark horses for promotion" next season. I told them "comfortable mid table".

Our chances of promotion is mainly down to scoring goals.

Our main 3 will be Sharp, Clarke and Evans.

Sharp, we know is a great finisher but he's never been the quickest and needs team mates that can play pinpoint passes to set him up.

Everyone in the game knows Clarke has the ability but he's massively under achieved in his career. Next season will be his last chance to become a nationally well known top player. Let's see if Leon takes this opportunity.

And finally much of our success could be down to Evans. It's a gamble but if he regains his sharpness and best form then for me he's better than Jordan Rhodes and we've arguably bought a lower PL player on the cheap.

Too many question marks about these players BUT if they all perform to their best then the playoffs are realistic BUT logic would say it's unrealistic for all 3 to perform at their best, hence why I predict a similar season Barnsley.

Brief flirtations near the playoffs but comfortable mid table BUT with Chris Wilder anything is possible.
We need striker options. Main men aged 31 and 32 up front plus Evans.
Needs strengthening.
 
Depends on who we buy (defence especially) but I can't help but think Villa and Sunderland will be top two next season. If we push for play offs I will be extremely happy.
 
Sheffield United Football Club are finally on a roll . Yes IMO we can certainly hit the playoffs . What we have to do is get the investment correct on players , which Wilder will . Gone are the days when we buy name players on big salaries , who bleed the club , but do not provide any added value .

Again we have to treat all teams with respect whether Leeds , Villa , Boro , Burton , Barnsley .

Everything is there . We have to keep our nerve when we lose 3 on the bounce

Sunderland and other teams will piss money up the wall . The threat of failure and not to succeed seems to have had the gypsies curse finally lifted.

Our football is premiership football , we are ahead of the game , and will be even more so with player additions .

We have just got to keep our nerve and not go on meltdown when things go Pete Tong for a number of games.
 
Middlesbrough will walk the league. Sunderland will finish top 8. Swansea or Hull top 6.

Ridiculous to suggest otherwise.


It’s ridiculous to suggest any scenario where Middlesborough don’t win the league? If you’re that certain that all of those things will happen, you should lump on at the bookies. I don’t think they’ll see it as the cert that you do.


That said, I think you might be somewhere near correct in your predictions. But it’s far too early to predict with any certainty what any team will do. I thought Charlton would win our league this season!!
 
I understand people being positive but if we are towards the bottom next season I just hope people realise that's realistically where we should. Our wage bill be one of the lowest in the league and after 6 years of being expected to win every game we can use being the underdog to our advantage if we realise where we are right now as a club.



Agreed. I can see maybe a handful of clubs having smaller budgets than us. Burton, Barnsley, probably the 2 that follow us up. Probably not more than one or two more on top of that. We’ll almost certainly be in the botton 8 or 9 budgets in the division. Therefore, we shouldn’t be on anyone’s case if we’re in a position reflective of that. But there’s a feeling in the air at the moment that we can punch above our weight. I think we need to try to embrace the positivity about at the moment and kick on. Our management team and our momentum might just see us exceed what we “should” do next season.
 
I think there's every reason to be optimistic about pushing the top end of the table, i.e. top 6. Don't know if any of you heard TC on the radio yesterday but he was talking about the quality of the football we've played, yes we know it's only League 1, but as he said, some of the football has been Premiership class - and it has. It's actually been amongst the best football I've ever seen a Blades team play in any division. That makes me very confident - that and the knowledge that Wilder is one hell of a good manager who won't hesitate to fix things if they aren't right and will continue to play this expansive, attacking, passing football. In some ways we'll have a bit more time and space to do that as well in the Championship - it's not quite so physical and in your face as league 1. The big challenge is we will get done for mistakes more and be coming up against some very good technical players. We'll need to have a bit more pace in the side, both up front and at the back, but I'm sure Wilder will be aware of that and be looking to strengthen.

Let me ask a question...Do you think this current squad could beat Barnsley? They sold off their best players in Jan and still finished comfortably in mid-table. We beat them last season with a team nowhere near as good as this one when they had their best players available. I don't think we'll have any problem finishing higher next season than they have finished this - they are currently 14th. But get the recruitment right and we'll be back to where we were when we played in the Championship before - a side pushing for the top 6 every season - bar one of course!



Did we beat Barnsley last season? I thought we drew twice?
 
Agree Middlesbrough will be up there, but I think whichever out of Swansea or Hull comes down will walk the Championship.

As things stand, we have the nucleus of a good side, but with the right additions we could flirt with the Play Offs. The flip side of that is, with the wrong additions we'll be flirting with relegation.



I actually fancy Villa to win it next season. They’ve had a season to adjust and in Bruce they have a manager with plenty of experience in getting teams out of that league. I reckon Middlesborough and Swansea/ Hull will probably also be in the mix (around top 6). Sunderland are difficult to gague. Big club for the championship but they are in a mess. Depends how quick they can sort themselves out. Can see them having a season similar to Villa’s this season where they do a bit of a rebuild to have a go the season after.


Then there’s the likes of Norwich and Derby who might get their act together next season. Wolves also have a lot of dosh so could be strong. It’s hard to see us realistically troubling the top 6. I think we just need to finish above as many as possible of the below list


Burton

Bolton

(other promoted team)

Barnsley

Forest/Birmingham/Blackburn

Preston

Ipswich

Bristol

QPR

Brentford

Cardiff


Then we hope that maybe one of the relegated teams and one of the playoff teams (ideally pigs) takes a nosedive to finish below us and that gives us a healthy mid-table position.

Realistically, I fancy us to finish anywhere between about 12th and 20th depending on the marginal gains, ref decisions, one off moments in tight games etc.
 
I actually fancy Villa to win it next season. They’ve had a season to adjust and in Bruce they have a manager with plenty of experience in getting teams out of that league. I reckon Middlesborough and Swansea/ Hull will probably also be in the mix (around top 6). Sunderland are difficult to gague. Big club for the championship but they are in a mess. Depends how quick they can sort themselves out. Can see them having a season similar to Villa’s this season where they do a bit of a rebuild to have a go the season after.


Then there’s the likes of Norwich and Derby who might get their act together next season. Wolves also have a lot of dosh so could be strong. It’s hard to see us realistically troubling the top 6. I think we just need to finish above as many as possible of the below list


Burton

Bolton

(other promoted team)

Barnsley

Forest/Birmingham/Blackburn

Preston

Ipswich

Bristol

QPR

Brentford

Cardiff


Then we hope that maybe one of the relegated teams and one of the playoff teams (ideally pigs) takes a nosedive to finish below us and that gives us a healthy mid-table position.

Realistically, I fancy us to finish anywhere between about 12th and 20th depending on the marginal gains, ref decisions, one off moments in tight games etc.
Agree with that but would add Wolves, Cardiff and Forest to potential top ten clubs.
Lambert did a good job with Norwich, seems re-energised and they've plenty of money.
Warburton has also done well at this level and should sort Forest out if him and McParland are allowed to get on with it and the owner doesn't interfere. If they don't go down.
Warnock is Warnock, Cardiff will battle their way to a playoff challenge, at least.

I also think Birmingham, if they stay up, may improve considerably. Rowett had them in the top third before he was sacked but it really depends on what happens with the manager. Will they keep Redknapp? If they do, can he do it? If they don't, will they get someone capable or go for another big name loser?
 



I think we need to all calm down a little, we will be in no danger of relegation and we have potentially the finest management team in our history but The Championship has become a ''money" League over the last five years and until we can build up some financial muscle, and that is going to take a few years at the level, we shouldn't be expecting a promotion challenge.

I've said it a few times but the way Huddersfield have approached things since going up from League one is probably the model they are looking at.

If we get things right and the money is put in by our owners, I think we could push top 6. BUT, it's survival uber alles.

I think this year certainly, the Championship quality has been lower - Barnsley finished mid-table, Huddersfield are in the play-offs, an average Wendy side have won six in a row, teams who should challenge like Derby, Norwich, Villa and Cardiff have been average. It may not be the same next year, as the teams I've mentioned will probably get their act together.

I dont agree that Ched will fire like you mention. He has a lot to do before he can be compared to Rhodes (who before he played for the pigs, had a very good goal record at Championship level).

I like your optimism though!
 

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