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Never mind Mings, if you question JOC or Egan being worth less than £40million look at Maguire.
 
Are any of you speculators remembering the monies lost at clubs this season?

Transfers are going to be less this window in a deflated market.

Valuing Bash (who I rate as irreplaceable btw) at anything in double figures given his age and contract situation are frankly off the scale deluded. Yes that may be his worth to us, and what we may have to pay to replace with the finished article ready made to slot In and replace him but that isn’t what a club will pay.
It may be he wants a raise and a longer contract But we won’t budge. So negotiating a sale for him may not be worth the hassle. We may simply see his contract out. I just reckon Leeds would be the club, needing an experienced head and solid defender, that would offer the deal he would want and be happy to get a season out of him.
 
Grizzly blade said:
2. Egan- To Everton- £16m
Bigger club, has more money and desires on breaking into the top 6. Top manager too. So obvious draw for Egan.
Fee fairly low, but given he’s approaching his last year, our need to freshen the squad and the lack of options and time to do it I could see us having hard ball played and having to give in.
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Egan has 2 more years left in his contract!
 
From the pig end said:
Never mind Mings, if you question JOC or Egan being worth less than £40million look at Maguire.
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Exactly and I have said on multiple occasions that Harry's move to Man U has set the bench mark for transfers between English clubs.

Now I personally thought he was over priced but then Man City were sniffing as well so Man U paid what was needed to guarantee the signing.

So with the bench mark now set does anyone seriously think JOC is worth a penny less than at least £40m? Even at that price it would be basically saying he's worth half as much as Harry. I think he's worth far more personally.

Dunk and Tarkowski have both been linked with moves recently and the figures being talked about were £45m plus. I'd be devastated if we sold Jack for any less than either of those 2 as I think he's superior to both. Based on the formation we play and replacing him he's worth far more IMO.

Same with Egan. Is he only half as good as Harry? The only caveat with Egan is that I think he'd be easier to replace than JOC as long as we got a decent price.
 
OrderOfStGeorge said:
Jesus fucking christ on a bike i hope the powers that he dont undervalue our players as much as you do.

O Connell I would not take a penny less than 50m and that would be a straight fee let alone add ons.

Saying we don't need Fleck we have Osborn is absolutely ridiculous both completely different types of player.

Osborn whilst I love the lad and think he has been a great signing he is not on the level of Fleck in terms of goals and assists.
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I guess sarcasm doesn’t translate too well over the internet.
 
Grizzly blade said:
I know, but not so unrealistic if you think about it.
I don’t see a top side coming in for him. That won’t happen, regardless of how he’s performed this year fans of those biggest clubs just wouldn’t accept Basham as being good enough.
That leaves who in the premier league? I don’t see him relocating south. Maybe a big spending Champ side might offer him a 3/4 year deal? But after Covid I don’t think there will be many if any of those. (Plus he won’t give up on the premier now after finally getting back there)

Another promoted team?
No, I thought this through and given what he’s done this season would definitely add to their team. He would be Fairly cheap and allow Leeds to spend money on other areas of their team, theN there’s the draw Bielsa seems to have....I just have a feeling Bash might be tempted away for a deal Wilder isn’t prepared to give him.
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Why would we sell him you blithering idiot. We tried bringing in a 15m+ replacement once already.
 
PittsburghBlade said:
Why would we sell him you blithering idiot. We tried bringing in a 15m+ replacement once already.
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I wouldn’t.
Have you been listening to our manager?

He has stated that some will be sold to protect the club. That means those nearing the end of their contract.
The thread was to speculate, lightheartedly, about who it may be.

So engage your brain and read the posts. I do t think he’s worth that, but we can’t afford to throw money down the pan. If Bash doesn’t want to sign whatever co tract we have offered and fancies a move elsewhere to protect him and his family for the rest of his life then so be it. I wouldn’t hold it against him and would wish him well.

The lad is a legend for what he’s achieved here with Wilder.
 
I'd be happy to let Basham's contract run down and let him go on a free if he can get himself a big deal, deserves it.
 
Egan, although easiest of our 3 CB’s to replace, is the biggest problem at the moment, even though he’s got 2 years left. Lunny of course, though again easy to replace?
 
Based on our system and current squad JoC and Bash are the only player who in my mind are irreplaceable in the short term. They both play such a unique role, which they've been playing for years. To think any replacement would be up to scratch is ambitious, regardless of any fees.

In terms of names mentioned...

Egan has been immense, but is definitely replaceable. Its cruelly simplistic to Egan, but head it/kick it centre halves are in plentiful supply, the kicker with Egan is him as part of a defensive unit.

Fleck again been excellent, but again not irreplaceable if he were to go. On the assumption he goes and that we get a decent fee, this could easily be reinvested into a comparable player - not sure who but its doable. I'll caveat that no one in the current team would be adequate (Freeman, Osborn, Lunny)

Lundstrum, to me is average and could be improved very easily. I preferred Besic, I prefer Osborn, I prefer Berge at RCM, I'd much prefer Swift.

Can't really see any other people attracting interest, maybe the fullbacks?
 

BanderSerge said:
Egan, although easiest of our 3 CB’s to replace, is the biggest problem at the moment, even though he’s got 2 years left. Lunny of course, though again easy to replace?
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That'll be two years with an optional extension though, presumably? Seems to be an SUFC default clause.

I respect the club and Wilder for being sensible with regards to finances however, I would also challenge that we should be progressive from a business sense in the same way we are on the football field.

I'm guessing our upper salary limit is c. £25,000 per week (seeing as though McBurnie is on 20,000). Seen some sources say Jags is on £50,000 but just cannot believe that. If we moved Egan, Bash and Lundstram to say £45,000 per week then that equates to an extra £1.0m per year per player. I would be loathed to move Bash and Lundstram on to bigger salaries (I think we can bully Bash and I don't believe Lunny is actually worth it - although depending on his perceived value).

I guess my rambling thoughts are that Egan single handedly won us 4 points since lockdown. Maybe next season that could be the difference between relegation and survival. He also organises the defence brilliantly and is a core part to our fantastic record. Is £1.0m too much of a raise? He's a standout player and easily justifiable as to why he should be so highly paid. Plus his resale value will surely be £20m+ and he's going to get better and better.
 
JonnyD said:
Lundstrum, to me is average and could be improved very easily. I preferred Besic, I prefer Osborn, I prefer Berge at RCM, I'd much prefer Swift.
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✅ Prefer Besic
✅ Prefer Osborn
✅ Prefer Berge
✅ Prefer Swift

Quite simply, could not agree more. I think we should actively look to sell him this window for contract reasons and also because his stock is way higher than his actual ability. I foresee a poopy next season for him.
 
We should be doing everything to keep our top players (the likes of egan, fleck, JOC, Bash)

Bash has been borderline player of the season for me, and deserves a contract.

As for egan and fleck being ‘replaceable’ - how often have we thought that about players who’ve been sold only to see inferior versions brought in and the club fail to progress. It’s a dangerous game - in this league - especially as fleck has been outstanding for 90% of the season.
 
We all want to keep Bash.
However, we cant risk the club by giving players of his age long and expensive contracts.
Maybe the solution is there to be found now the season is over, I’m sure he’s after some security and with Sharp getting a new deal would probably think he’s deserving too! (And he’d be right)
But there’s a chance someone like say Newcastle has contacted him and said we can offer you double your money!! Matching it for us making him more than double the highest earner!
So what would you do if the manager? Give in and then face having to deal with numerous other players who have accepted lower deals and now want parity?
Do you sell, take whatever fee you can and look to invest it into finding a replacement?
Or do you risk letting him see out his contract and risk performances drop and having to deal with an unhappy player?

Tough choices, but the first isn’t an option for me!!
 
BB If one of Spurs/Chelsea/Arsenal/Everton don’t come in for either Egan or JoC, not only are they stupid, I’ll be overcome with joy. Best defence outside of Liverpool’s, and they’ve all got to desperately buy premier league ready defenders, and they’re loaded! Luckily for us, Basham (32) and Stevens (30) they’ll leave alone. Baldock? Great season, but will he currently get better than us? Fleck? Moyes will definitely come sniffing. Whatever happens I have complete faith in CWAK to bring in replacements.
 
BarryBigtime said:
I guess my rambling thoughts are that Egan single handedly won us 4 points since lockdown. Maybe next season that could be the difference between relegation and survival. He also organises the defence brilliantly and is a core part to our fantastic record. Is £1.0m too much of a raise? He's a standout player and easily justifiable as to why he should be so highly paid. Plus his resale value will surely be £20m+ and he's going to get better and better.
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Egan might be the easiest for us to replace in terms of how we setup to play but hes also arguably the more attractive target for other clubs.

Why ?

Well the fact he has plenty of good tape playing in flat 4-4-2 and 5-4-1 formations for Ireland so a club signing him have less worry about his flexibility to different formations.

Also add in hes not English. Whilst I still cant fathom it, young (relative term for JOC) english players in the premier league have a premium attached to them, so JOC will be far more expensive to a team and the player quality to value ratio of Egan versus JOC makes Egan the more attractive signing for many clubs.

I hope we dont lose any of the central 3 but lets see how the next few months pan out.
 
Dublinblade said:
I hope we dont lose any of the central 3 but lets see how the next few months pan out.
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Good points. Factor in that Sander said he's become really chummy with Egan suggests he is an important character in the background as well.
 
It will all depend on who comes in for players and what they offer. Hopefully all 3 Egan JOC and Basham are here next season with some strengthening to the bench for back up. All 3 really suit our system and are balanced together.
Egan is the easier of the 3 to replace as he plays in more traditional CB role with less of the decision making and positional aspects that are involved with RCB and LCB the way we use them. JOC would be the biggest loss as he is a good age. Built like a CB. Strong and tough and for a big man gets forward well and crosses well. Bash works really hard and has been terrific for us. It would take anyone new time to bed into those slots and we haven't seen their backups put them under pressure for a starting spot.
 
Out of the back five, the wingbacks are the most conventional. The outside centre backs have to be tall, mobile, good in the air with good awareness of the positioning of the other outside centre backs at all times. They also need good stamina. A good crosser of the ball is also preferable in this position. The middle centre back has to have a good long passing range, but doesn't have to be that good in short build up play as he will usually give a short pass to the outside centre backs or deepest midfielder when he has the time to do so. What makes the middle centre back somewhat unconventional, is that he has to be an excellent reader of the game. In a conventional three at the back, the middle centre back can actually get away with being a poorer reader of the game than in a back four, as the two wide centre backs can cover for a lack of concentration or anticipation. Wilder recognised this when he replaced one of the best "head it and kick it centre backs" who played the majority of his career in a 4-4-2 in Championship promotion teams (Stearman). Stearman would have been more than adequate as a first choice in a conventional three at the back - or indeed a four at the back - but not the Blades unique system.The middle centre back in our system has to be able to anticipate which wide centre back is in the most trouble, and where we are likely to be overloaded on the transition, given that we have more players "out of position" than other teams. Egan is constantly making calculations which just isn't the case in your run of the mill three at the back, where most requirements are reactive. Ergo: Egan would be very difficult to replace, but maybe not quite as difficult as Basham or O'Connell.
The central player in the midfield three also has unique tactical requirements made of him: it's his job to calculate where danger could originate on the defensive transitions, before United have actually lost the ball. A very difficult job. So we have at least four bespoke positions in the United team. If Wilder sees Berge as Norwood's successor this should, in part, explain why he hasn't assumed the role immediately. He has a lot to learn.
 
There is no one in the squad coming close to pushing B/E/oC for a place our highly specialised 3 CB system , which makes it vulnerable - just look how poor we were recently when JoC was injured + then Egan suspended.
J Robinson did well defensively but it will take more game time to have him confident in the attack.
So the very strength of or unique system makes it high risk.
We have been incredibly fortunate with absences at CB this season but might not be so lucky next term.
I had hoped that at 6'5" Berge might be able to take a RCB or CCB place if injury or suspension hit , but the way he loses his man , especially in the air , is worrying - look at the Everton goal + the post-hit by DCL.
Unless Rodwell stays or Bryan can step up , we need to recruit cover for RCB/CCB as early as possible , because whoever comes in will need the maximum time to learn the role , alongside J Robinson for LCB.
I agree that the system also makes Norwood's role quite unique too , so Berge has a lot to work on this summer -especially his defensive work in the air - if he learns to mark his man properly + leap for headers , no attacker should beat him to a ball.
I think he is intelligent enough to become an absolute rock for us - his ability to keep the ball + complete a pass is already there + he has the stature to win everything in the air , just needs the positional sense + a bit of aggression.
 
I would keep the defence no need to change it for me but Stevens needs to improve again and get back to the form he was in before lockdown.

I would play Berge in his preferred position along with Fleck and And i would buy Eze to play in behind McBurnie and a new striker I.M.O
 
Bladezz said:
Egan? £16million? He’s worth more to us than that but to everyone else he is isn’t worth £10m

I love the guy but he’s not at their level. Look at that young kid they played he’s better than Egan now. Egan is very good in a 3 man defence. In a 2 man defence him and JoC are not at a top club level.
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You're weird
 
Bladezz said:
Egan? £16million? He’s worth more to us than that but to everyone else he is isn’t worth £10m

I love the guy but he’s not at their level. Look at that young kid they played he’s better than Egan now. Egan is very good in a 3 man defence. In a 2 man defence him and JoC are not at a top club level.
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Literally have no words for that comment. Deluded to the max.
 
Bladezz said:
Egan? £16million? He’s worth more to us than that but to everyone else he is isn’t worth £10m

I love the guy but he’s not at their level. Look at that young kid they played he’s better than Egan now. Egan is very good in a 3 man defence. In a 2 man defence him and JoC are not at a top club level.
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Are you mentally stable?
 

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