What does David Weir think ?

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Darren said:
Go on then, how did you arrive at that figure :)

Off the top of my head, I doubt if he walked off with (after tax, and given the fact that he got a job with Brentford soon after) more than £200,000 (still very nice if you can get it).
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I like making numbers up Darren - you shoulf know by now :). The serious point is I don't buy the notion that they are a principled bunch, with no eye on the money. Footballers spend their careers chasing it in a way that I never could. Fair enough, most would say, but let's not let them have their cake and eat it.

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alcoblade said:
I like making numbers up Darren - you shoulf know by now :). The serious point is I don't buy the notion that they are a principled bunch, with no eye on the money. Footballers spend their careers chasing it in a way that I never could. Fair enough, most would say, but let's not let them have their cake and eat it.

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Oh, I agree, but I do reckon we got Weir on the cheap, given that he already had more money than he could eat and his primary aim would be to get a foot on the managerial ladder. And when we sacked him, it would have been on the basis of his loss of earnings, so given that he picked up another job fairly soon, they would not be huge.
 
Wavy Davey probably doesn't give a fuck, because he got a big pay-off for having his training wheels era of management at our club, then got a nice job at a club that will be playing Championship football next season. I bet he has photos of his managerial glories at SUFC all round his house, tho. The masterclass 2-1 victory against Notts County aside, (some say Notts County are the Barcelona of League 1) who can forget the 1-1 draw at home to Crawley? The penalty shoot-out glory at Scunthorpe? The fact we were 1-0 up at half time to Rotherham? The 7 times someone made a forward pass during his tenure? Such unfettered brilliance. Clough certainly has big shoes to fill.
 
grafikhaus said:
It's a pity that the 'powers that be' at the Lane gave a chance to somebody who was very much learning his trade, got paid handsomely while learning and, when it failed, gave him a big payoff.

Same with Blackwell & Danny Wilson (didn't take him long to make his mark at Barnsley). Clubs were hardly queuing round the block for their services, but we saw fit to give them 2/3 year contracts. For once with NC, it looks like we've got the right man.



Moyes was a huge mistake. A bloke who was treading water for 13 years at Everton and won nothing, suddenly finds himself at a club where going just one season without silverware is a disaster. Saw it coming.
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Yeah, Danny Wilson was a disaster, as was Blackwell. Are you for real. Both got us to a play off final and you regard them as disasters? Blackwell while constantly having the rug pulled from under him, Wilson lost his top scorer to prison and had his top scorer the following season sold when we were top of the league. To compare either with Weir is not far off the ramblings of a lunatic.
 
Agreed, Wilson was nothing but good news for us. He was desperately unlucky to not get us straight back up. To score 90 points and finish 3rd is (as far as I know) unprecedented in the third tier, and then to lose the play-off final on a penalty shoot-out that was so long they had to use the goalkeepers is ridiculous. If we hadn't lost Evans, we'd have finished 2nd, no doubt. Sacking him 5 days from the end of the season was very poor decision making from the club, especially as we didn't have a replacement immediately lined up, so we had to go for a choice way down the list of candidates in July. That single, badly made decision to sack Wilson cost us promotion this season.
 
Damski said:
Agreed, Wilson was nothing but good news for us. He was desperately unlucky to not get us straight back up. To score 90 points and finish 3rd is (as far as I know) unprecedented in the third tier, and then to lose the play-off final on a penalty shoot-out that was so long they had to use the goalkeepers is ridiculous. If we hadn't lost Evans, we'd have finished 2nd, no doubt. Sacking him 5 days from the end of the season was very poor decision making from the club, especially as we didn't have a replacement immediately lined up, so we had to go for a choice way down the list of candidates in July. That single, badly made decision to sack Wilson cost us promotion this season.
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I completely agree that Wilson and Blackwell were far from disasters, for ther reasons Bladesway points out in a post further up. I'm not at all convinced that the decision to sack Wislon cost us promotion - for me, the wheels were well off by then. But the sale of our top scorer whilst sat top of the league was the fuck up of unitedesque proportions.

Sadly, my abiding memories of both those managers was, despite playing exciting football initially, it ending with the most draining, mind numbingly boring football I've ever known. Luckily for them, David Weir came along to romp away with that accolade very soon after.

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alcoblade said:
I completely agree that Wilson and Blackwell were far from disasters, for ther reasons Bladesway points out in a post further up. I'm not at all convinced that the decision to sack Wislon cost us promotion - for me, the wheels were well off by then. But the sale of our top scorer whilst sat top of the league was the fuck up of unitedesque proportions.

Sadly, my abiding memories of both those managers was, despite playing exciting football initially, it ending with the most draining, mind numbingly boring football I've ever known. Luckily for them, David Weir came along to romp away with that accolade very soon after.

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I think Wilson would have made a better fist at the play offs than Morgan did - we may still not have made it, but Wilson's ability to grind out results would have given us a better chance.
 

Darren said:
I think Wilson would have made a better fist at the play offs than Morgan did - we may still not have made it, but Wilson's ability to grind out results would have given us a better chance.
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We played 300+ minutes of play off football with Wilson in charge and didn't concede a single goal but still failed to get promoted.

I bet that's another shitty record we hold.
 
Said this before and I am saying it now.

Takes a great deal of guts to take a football club, quite frankly on its arse, and attempt to transform its entire ethos. Was inevitable this would be painful in the short term.

I have no doubt Weir would have seen an improvement in performances AND results IF he had been given longer.

But not to the extent we have seen under NC !!!

Every cloud ......

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alcoblade said:
I completely agree that Wilson and Blackwell were far from disasters, for ther reasons Bladesway points out in a post further up. I'm not at all convinced that the decision to sack Wislon cost us promotion - for me, the wheels were well off by then. But the sale of our top scorer whilst sat top of the league was the fuck up of unitedesque proportions.

Sadly, my abiding memories of both those managers was, despite playing exciting football initially, it ending with the most draining, mind numbingly boring football I've ever known. Luckily for them, David Weir came along to romp away with that accolade very soon after.

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"I completely agree that Wilson and Blackwell were far from disasters"

Well I can agree with about 50% of that.

Single biggest reason we are a Div 3 club that prick was. After UTD, took 2 years to get another job (Bury), fucked them over leaving them 3rd bottom of Div 4, was kicked out, and will probably never work in pro football again.

Seriously, the infamous Blackwell win ratio has got more than a few of you still wearing the rose tinted specs in his regard. Grade A cock. That is all.

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DronnieBlade said:
I have no doubt Weir would have seen an improvement in performances AND results IF he had been given longer.
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I'm not so sure about that. A major part of our improvement was the resurgence of the likes of Flynn and Murphy, both of whom had been more or less frozen out of things, and the major improvement in the defence. Once the rot had set in I don't think Weir was experienced enough, or prepared, to remedy it. Had he stayed, I think we'd be looking forward to a season in League 2.
 
DronnieBlade said:
"I completely agree that Wilson and Blackwell were far from disasters"

Well I can agree with about 50% of that.

Single biggest reason we are a Div 3 club that prick was. After UTD, took 2 years to get another job (Bury), fucked them over leaving them 3rd bottom of Div 4, was kicked out, and will probably never work in pro football again.

Seriously, the infamous Blackwell win ratio has got more than a few of you still wearing the rose tinted specs in his regard. Grade A cock. That is all.

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Cheers Dronnie. Have a like.

Saved me a few minutes typing and a hell of a lot of teeth gnashing whilst thinking about the twat. Relaxed again now.
 
DronnieBlade said:
Said this before and I am saying it now.

Takes a great deal of guts to take a football club, quite frankly on its arse, and attempt to transform its entire ethos. Was inevitable this would be painful in the short term.

I have no doubt Weir would have seen an improvement in performances AND results IF he had been given longer.

But not to the extent we have seen under NC !!!

Every cloud ......

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Ah, the old Ethos thing again...:)

Exactly what was the damaging "ethos" that Danny Wilson had installed over the previous 2 years? Was the ethos in place before Wilson, and if so how did he cope with it? Why did we have to have the worst run in our history and nail ourselves to the door of the fourth division as part of transforming it?

My hunch is that David Weir is, quite simply, a fucking rubbish manager.

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DronnieBlade said:
"I completely agree that Wilson and Blackwell were far from disasters"

Well I can agree with about 50% of that.

Single biggest reason we are a Div 3 club that prick was. After UTD, took 2 years to get another job (Bury), fucked them over leaving them 3rd bottom of Div 4, was kicked out, and will probably never work in pro football again.

Seriously, the infamous Blackwell win ratio has got more than a few of you still wearing the rose tinted specs in his regard. Grade A cock. That is all.

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You've taken me from stating that he was "far from a disaster" to wearing rose tinted spectacles. That took some doing.

I hated the football played under Blackwell in his last season. That said, pinning the "single biggest reason we are a 3rd division club" on him takes some doing, IMHO. In the 2 full seasons he was in charge, we were promotion contenders.

"He was a Grade A cock" - I think we can agree on that bit.

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Darren said:
I think Wilson would have made a better fist at the play offs than Morgan did - we may still not have made it, but Wilson's ability to grind out results would have given us a better chance.
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after failing in something like13 times of asking, a pattern begins to form :)

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alcoblade said:
Ah, the old Ethos thing again...:)

Exactly what was the damaging "ethos" that Danny Wilson had installed over the previous 2 years? Was the ethos in place before Wilson, and if so how did he cope with it? Why did we have to have the worst run in our history and nail ourselves to the door of the fourth division as part of transforming it?

My hunch is that David Weir is, quite simply, a fucking rubbish manager.

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I like this phrase and I am going to say it again:

Whenever I hear the word "ethos", I reach for my revolver.

Football is about results. You can play all the pretty football you like, but if playing such football leaves you staring down the barrel of the 4th Division (to mix metaphors), your "ethos" can fuck right off.

That terribly damaging "ethos" under Blackwell and Wilson saw us as consistent promotion contenders in each managers full season. Call me mad, but I'd take that over anyone's "ethos".
 
alcoblade said:
You and me both. Ethos......my arse.

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This "ethos" thing is just utter bollocks.

As far as I can make out from the murky definition of the term, Robson, Speed (possibly), Wilson and Weir were "ethos" managers and Warnock, Blackwell and Adams were not. The observant will note that there is no consistency between a manager's attachment to the ethos and his success as a manager.
 
The right idea...but the wrong man.

It was too soon for him to be a manager and after a few losses he looked like he could not cope with the job.

His time here will taint his career because I think he could become a decent manager.

He will at least know that the formation he was using does work but just needed the man management and the tweaks Clough has made.
 
Weir started the season hoping to gain promotion to the championship with a team that plays in red and white stripes and black shorts. SO, he is probably thinking; sorted!
 

Darren said:
I like this phrase and I am going to say it again:

Whenever I hear the word "ethos", I reach for my revolver.

Football is about results. You can play all the pretty football you like, but if playing such football leaves you staring down the barrel of the 4th Division (to mix metaphors), your "ethos" can fuck right off.

That terribly damaging "ethos" under Blackwell and Wilson saw us as consistent promotion contenders in each managers full season. Call me mad, but I'd take that over anyone's "ethos".
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I'm afraid you're mad. Ultimately (and pretty obviously to football observers outside deepest, darkest S2 ) the best results are achieved by the teams with the best players, playing the best football [and it ain't Blackwellian Hoof!].
 
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