West Ham Saga

[keenzy]

any new comers to the board wishing to discuss this topic do it in here.

Im fed up of trying to read a post about our own club, but to find something to do with the west ham saga.

Post it in here and keep it out of everyones way who doesent want to troll through it,

Thanks.

 

[shorehamview]

Probably along the lines of -
"We didn't cheat, really, and besides which we got a farty little fine which makes everything all right.
Also, we won the World Cup, with Moore, Hurst and Peters. The others were all peripheral.
We have always played the most attractive football in the world, since dinosaurs stalked the earth.
And we presented the universe with His Holiness Sir Trevor Brooking, patron saint of sitting on the fucking fence so long you get splinters.
And we are forever blowing bubbles. Pretty ones. In the air you know, as opposed to the sorts of underground bubbles everyone else blows.
We are all loveable cockernees, all that hooligan stuff is rubbish, so shut it or we'll kick your heads in. Then stab you. With a big sword.
We are from London, so we are great. All London clubs are great, but we are greaterer than the others.
We should be allowed to sign who we like, when we like, how we like, and the rules can get stuffed.
Jellied eels are great.
So is Eastenders.
The north is all slums, unlike the palaces and country estates in the East End of London.
God bless the Queen Mum.
And Pete Beale.
Did we mention Bobby Moore?
Are you sure?
Lord Trevor of Brooking sounds great, don't you think?
Cockles and winkles, pie and mash.
Look at my Pearly King outfit, smashing isn't it?
Rhyming slang is great. Apples and pears, plates of meat.
Gor blimey Guvnor.
Elephant and Castle. Pauleen Fowler, Ian Beale, Dot Cotton, lummee.
Bobby Moore. Sir Geoff Hurst. Martin Peters, great manager.
Bubbles. Blowing them.
Cheat? Us? Good old West Ham? Sir Trevor? Help!"

Like a stuck record. We know you for the cheats that you are and we don't give a damn. We just want you to get what you deserve. True, we didn't play very well, but we played by the rules. I'd rather be honest and get relegated than cheat to stay up.

 

[Bladesman]

Probably along the lines of -
"We didn't cheat, really, and besides which we got a farty little fine which makes everything all right.
Also, we won the World Cup, with Moore, Hurst and Peters. The others were all peripheral.
We have always played the most attractive football in the world, since dinosaurs stalked the earth.
And we presented the universe with His Holiness Sir Trevor Brooking, patron saint of sitting on the fucking fence so long you get splinters.
And we are forever blowing bubbles. Pretty ones. In the air you know, as opposed to the sorts of underground bubbles everyone else blows.
We are all loveable cockernees, all that hooligan stuff is rubbish, so shut it or we'll kick your heads in. Then stab you. With a big sword.
We are from London, so we are great. All London clubs are great, but we are greaterer than the others.
We should be allowed to sign who we like, when we like, how we like, and the rules can get stuffed.
Jellied eels are great.
So is Eastenders.
The north is all slums, unlike the palaces and country estates in the East End of London.
God bless the Queen Mum.
And Pete Beale.
Did we mention Bobby Moore?
Are you sure?
Lord Trevor of Brooking sounds great, don't you think?
Cockles and winkles, pie and mash.
Look at my Pearly King outfit, smashing isn't it?
Rhyming slang is great. Apples and pears, plates of meat.
Gor blimey Guvnor.
Elephant and Castle. Pauleen Fowler, Ian Beale, Dot Cotton, lummee.
Bobby Moore. Sir Geoff Hurst. Martin Peters, great manager.
Bubbles. Blowing them.
Cheat? Us? Good old West Ham? Sir Trevor? Help!"

Like a stuck record. We know you for the cheats that you are and we don't give a damn. We just want you to get what you deserve. True, we didn't play very well, but we played by the rules. I'd rather be honest and get relegated than cheat to stay up.

You got it right there.

 

[rotherhamblade]

Bobby Moore. Sir Geoff Hurst. Martin Peters.
QUOTE]

Exactly 'we won the world cup'

no you didnt fuck off

They stille think they're special cos they used to have a couple of decent players 40 years ago

 

[sendô WHU]

Probably along the lines of -
"We didn't cheat, really, and besides which we got a farty little fine which makes everything all right.
Also, we won the World Cup, with Moore, Hurst and Peters. The others were all peripheral.
We have always played the most attractive football in the world, since dinosaurs stalked the earth.
And we presented the universe with His Holiness Sir Trevor Brooking, patron saint of sitting on the fucking fence so long you get splinters.
And we are forever blowing bubbles. Pretty ones. In the air you know, as opposed to the sorts of underground bubbles everyone else blows.
We are all loveable cockernees, all that hooligan stuff is rubbish, so shut it or we'll kick your heads in. Then stab you. With a big sword.
We are from London, so we are great. All London clubs are great, but we are greaterer than the others.
We should be allowed to sign who we like, when we like, how we like, and the rules can get stuffed.
Jellied eels are great.
So is Eastenders.
The north is all slums, unlike the palaces and country estates in the East End of London.
God bless the Queen Mum.
And Pete Beale.
Did we mention Bobby Moore?
Are you sure?
Lord Trevor of Brooking sounds great, don't you think?
Cockles and winkles, pie and mash.
Look at my Pearly King outfit, smashing isn't it?
Rhyming slang is great. Apples and pears, plates of meat.
Gor blimey Guvnor.
Elephant and Castle. Pauleen Fowler, Ian Beale, Dot Cotton, lummee.
Bobby Moore. Sir Geoff Hurst. Martin Peters, great manager.
Bubbles. Blowing them.
Cheat? Us? Good old West Ham? Sir Trevor? Help!"

Like a stuck record. We know you for the cheats that you are and we don't give a damn. We just want you to get what you deserve. True, we didn't play very well, but we played by the rules. I'd rather be honest and get relegated than cheat to stay up.

Want some ketchup mate?

 

[Bladesman]

Bobby Moore. Sir Geoff Hurst. Martin Peters.
QUOTE]

Exactly 'we won the world cup'

no you didnt fuck off

They stille think they're special cos they used to have a couple of decent players 40 years ago

I agree there.

Anyone would think the entire 1966 world cup team were all west ham players with the way they go on about.

Mind you West Ham are abit like L**ds & Wednesday when it comes to bragging about the past.

 

[ToffeeBlue]

No affinity to either club but i really hope you win the case, i hate the hammers with a passion. They actually think there something special when quite clearly there not

 

[shorehamview]

Want some ketchup mate?

What the fuck does that mean? It sure as hell isn't funny. If it's rhyming slang, then I neither know nor care what it means. If it's some kind of code, then sorry, my enigma machine is at the menders today. And if it's a witty comment, then it fell flat on its cheating cockernee arse.

 

[Bladesman]

BLADES LOOK TO EUROPE IN TEVEZ ROW

Sheffield United plc chairman Kevin McCabe has claimed the club will turn to the European Commission to seek compensation if an independent arbitration panel rejects their bid to overturn their relegation from the Premier League.

A supporters' delegation headed to Parliament on Wednesday to try and drum up Government support as the club continue to protest at West Ham's escape from a points deduction for fielding ineligible duo Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano.

McCabe is positive that an arbitration panel, which convenes on Monday, will back the Blades' argument. He also revealed they will accept their relegation if it does not, but would pursue financial compensation.

He told BBC Radio Five Live: "The reality is that there was an injustice committed and as a result Sheffield United were relegated from the Premiership in the season that's just finished.

"The reason is simple; one club breached the rules, were permitted to play two Argentinians until January and one thereafter.

"The commission did say very clearly when they opined that normally points should be deducted but because it was the end of April and not January, would reconsider and maybe just fine West Ham. The committee got it wrong. The arbitration will get it right come Monday.

"If the arbitration were to go against us on Monday we recognise that we are relegated to the Championship."

However, McCabe added: "I wouldn't say that's the end of the issue. We have on Friday a trip to Brussels to meet the European Commissioner for culture and sport, Jan Figel, so we are making our presentation there this week.

"But I don't believe the arbitration will go against us at all.

"We'll go to the European Commission for them to opine. We believe we have maybe got a human-rights issue because of the loss of jobs that has been established if we are relegated, the salaries that are reduced because of going from the Premiership to the Championship and those sort of issues."

Asked about the purpose of going to Brussels, McCabe said: "I suppose compensation. I've no idea how much.

"The real key is the arbitration, to right the wrong of the injustice that was caused by the first decision. We didn't field ineligible players."

Didnt relise we have a human-rights issue.

Dont think anyone is gonna lose there jobs now are relegated though surely?

 

[MAQ]

What the fuck does that mean? It sure as hell isn't funny. If it's rhyming slang, then I neither know nor care what it means. If it's some kind of code, then sorry, my enigma machine is at the menders today. And if it's a witty comment, then it fell flat on its cheating cockernee arse.

i think the point SV was that you might like some ketchup for that "Chip" on your shoulder.

Obviously it was really funny wasnt it.

Right! Rant ON!!!(and this is al im going to say on the matter)

I dont know about anyone esle, but im really starting to get fucking fed up with all these shandy drinking wanjers joining up and trying (really poorly) to defend there tinpot club, if they were so sure that they had done nothing wrong then why would they have to go through all the signup process to try and defend them??

by this time next week all will have been resolved. If we are re-instated then great, if not fine. I personally would take greater plesure (If i were McCabe) in attending the AGM next year and taking the prem card from Egghead as they go down, and we come back up. Especially with the stupid amount of money that they are spending (all be it mostly speculation).

As far as the ugly argie is concerned, i hope that he transfers to another club in england if he is gonna transfer to anywhere, he is ugly and he is an argie but there is no denying that he has talent. Just think what West Ham could do if he was bought for £40m................oh wait!! they couldnt do anything cos they wouldnt see a fucking penny of it. It would go straight into Kia's pocket.

Lastly thanks for the show of support Toffeeblue. Its finally nice to see that someone from another northern club has the bollocks to stand up and support us, thats the part the pisses me off mostly. As someone has said already, If liverpool or arsenal had lost out on Champ League footy because of this then they would be spitting feathers, likewise if Everton, Bolton etc had lost out on european footy. Thanks

Phew!!!!!!! Rant Off.

 

[westhamutd]

i think the point SV was that you might like some ketchup for that "Chip" on your shoulder.

Obviously it was really funny wasnt it.

Right! Rant ON!!!(and this is al im going to say on the matter)

I dont know about anyone esle, but im really starting to get fucking fed up with all these shandy drinking wanjers joining up and trying (really poorly) to defend there tinpot club, if they were so sure that they had done nothing wrong then why would they have to go through all the signup process to try and defend them??

by this time next week all will have been resolved. If we are re-instated then great, if not fine. I personally would take greater plesure (If i were McCabe) in attending the AGM next year and taking the prem card from Egghead as they go down, and we come back up. Especially with the stupid amount of money that they are spending (all be it mostly speculation).

As far as the ugly argie is concerned, i hope that he transfers to another club in england if he is gonna transfer to anywhere, he is ugly and he is an argie but there is no denying that he has talent. Just think what West Ham could do if he was bought for £40m................oh wait!! they couldnt do anything cos they wouldnt see a fucking penny of it. It would go straight into Kia's pocket.

Lastly thanks for the show of support Toffeeblue. Its finally nice to see that someone from another northern club has the bollocks to stand up and support us, thats the part the pisses me off mostly. As someone has said already, If liverpool or arsenal had lost out on Champ League footy because of this then they would be spitting feathers, likewise if Everton, Bolton etc had lost out on european footy. Thanks

Phew!!!!!!! Rant Off.

Whats north and south got to do with it, the premier league handed out the fine because they honestly thought that west ham were going down anyway, hence the greedy fat cats decided to cash in, they should have deducted the points in january like we all know. as from a west ham,football point of view and a sean bean point of view the reason your lot are relegated is your poor team managed and put together by a dreadfull man who had the best job he would ever get and spent millions on players that hardly played and you hardcore sheff utd fans should know that he has been robbing your club for years in backhander´s which you will find out soon BELIEVE ME. you got relegated because you wasnt good enough, live with it and stop whineing on and on, its impossible for you to be placed back up or for us to be relegated because of court case´s which would take at least 18 months the only reason your higher ups are draggin this on is because of compensation and nothing else. and again i will say, YOU GOT RELEGATED BECAUSE YOU WERE NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

 

[Bladesman]

Go away or give us some money.

 

[Linz]

Firstly I will say... does punctuation cost more down sarf too?

the only reason your higher ups are draggin this on is because of compensation and nothing else. and again i will say, YOU GOT RELEGATED BECAUSE YOU WERE NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

As far as I'm concerned, if we get compensation then good.

I do agree that we were relegated because we didn't get enough points. But when one certain team above us survived because they bent the rules of the game... why should we take that laying down?

I am so bored of saying the same things over and over...

 

[Greasy Chip Butty]

Whats north and south got to do with it, the premier league handed out the fine because they honestly thought that west ham were going down anyway, hence the greedy fat cats decided to cash in, they should have deducted the points in january like we all know. as from a west ham,football point of view and a sean bean point of view the reason your lot are relegated is your poor team managed and put together by a dreadfull man who had the best job he would ever get and spent millions on players that hardly played and you hardcore sheff utd fans should know that he has been robbing your club for years in backhander´s which you will find out soon BELIEVE ME. you got relegated because you wasnt good enough, live with it and stop whineing on and on, its impossible for you to be placed back up or for us to be relegated because of court case´s which would take at least 18 months the only reason your higher ups are draggin this on is because of compensation and nothing else. and again i will say, YOU GOT RELEGATED BECAUSE YOU WERE NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

And you stayed up because you cheated.

And if you were 'going down anyway' then the FA should have felt that a points deduction wouldn't make much of a difference to you and make them look like they actually have balls for once. But they didn't...again.

 

[TonyAgana]

Whats north and south got to do with it, the premier league handed out the fine because they honestly thought that west ham were going down anyway, hence the greedy fat cats decided to cash in, they should have deducted the points in january like we all know. as from a west ham,football point of view and a sean bean point of view the reason your lot are relegated is your poor team managed and put together by a dreadfull man who had the best job he would ever get and spent millions on players that hardly played and you hardcore sheff utd fans should know that he has been robbing your club for years in backhander´s which you will find out soon BELIEVE ME. you got relegated because you wasnt good enough, live with it and stop whineing on and on, its impossible for you to be placed back up or for us to be relegated because of court case´s which would take at least 18 months the only reason your higher ups are draggin this on is because of compensation and nothing else. and again i will say, YOU GOT RELEGATED BECAUSE YOU WERE NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

Dick. You stated in that rabble that the PL got it wrong and then the only reason we got relegated was because we didn't get enough points!! What a laughable contradiction!!

 

[Bladesman]

Also if it was the other way round would West Ham take it lying down ? No with the biscuit man they would take it as far as they could.

 

[MAQ]

Whats north and south got to do with it, the premier league handed out the fine because they honestly thought that west ham were going down anyway, hence the greedy fat cats decided to cash in, they should have deducted the points in january like we all know. as from a west ham,football point of view and a sean bean point of view the reason your lot are relegated is your poor team managed and put together by a dreadfull man who had the best job he would ever get and spent millions on players that hardly played and you hardcore sheff utd fans should know that he has been robbing your club for years in backhander´s which you will find out soon BELIEVE ME. you got relegated because you wasnt good enough, live with it and stop whineing on and on, its impossible for you to be placed back up or for us to be relegated because of court case´s which would take at least 18 months the only reason your higher ups are draggin this on is because of compensation and nothing else. and again i will say, YOU GOT RELEGATED BECAUSE YOU WERE NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

I notice that you quote me, and then dont pick any holes in my comments. Because you cant argue the fact.

As far as your comments go,

1: Yes we were relegated because we werent good enough - No Argument there

2: Sean Bean and the rest are trying to highlight and promote "Fairness in Football" and not whineing like you say. Their references to what has happened are simply to highlight the lack of Fairness

3: As i said before, I'm not looking to be reistated, im happy with competing in the championship next season and winning it, and getting promoted. IF we were reinstated then great, i wouldnt complain, but the chances of it happening are very slim, simply because the prem fat cats havent got the bollocks to make a decision on the consequences of us being reinstated.

4: Some compo is exactly what is expected.

 

[Jack & Helga]

Also if it was the other way round would West Ham take it lying down ? No with the biscuit man they would take it as far as they could.

Old slaphead said before the PL took their decision that he was willing to go to court if the decision wasn't what he deemed to be fair so how the Wham fans can go on and on and on and on about us going to court for exactly the same issue is a little strange to say the least. Boring!!!!!

 

[sendô WHU]

I dont know about anyone esle, but im really starting to get fucking fed up with all these shandy drinking wanjers joining up and trying (really poorly) to defend there tinpot club, if they were so sure that they had done nothing wrong then why would they have to go through all the signup process to try and defend them??

Not that the signup process was particularly onerous, I signed up, mainly, to find out why you all think it necessary to continually try to flog a dead horse.

We don't need to defend our 'tinpot' club. Decisions have been made, and punishments meted out.

As far as the ugly argie is concerned, i hope that he transfers to another club in england if he is gonna transfer to anywhere, he is ugly and he is an argie but there is no denying that he has talent. Just think what West Ham could do if he was bought for £40m................oh wait!! they couldnt do anything cos they wouldnt see a fucking penny of it. It would go straight into Kia's pocket.

Nice to see you aren't bitter then. This is the thing that irritates me, the amount of spite and vitriol being directed towards West Ham is discusting. Get over yourselves ffs.

Lastly thanks for the show of support Toffeeblue. Its finally nice to see that someone from another northern club has the bollocks to stand up and support us, thats the part the pisses me off mostly. As someone has said already, If liverpool or arsenal had lost out on Champ League footy because of this then they would be spitting feathers, likewise if Everton, Bolton etc had lost out on european footy. Thanks

Yeah it's a southern conspiracy to rid the Prem of northern teams led by Trevor Brooking. Next stop, Man Utd and Liverpool.

And if you were 'going down anyway' then the FA should have felt that a points deduction wouldn't make much of a difference to you and make them look like they actually have balls for once. But they didn't...again.

I think this is the crux of the issue. The Premier League (not the FA as people repeatedly state) didn't want to hand out a points deduction, as that would have virtually relegated West Ham on the spot, and thus open them up to all sorts of legal problems. Instead they imposed a heavy fine, expecting West Ham to go down anyway. The problem as far as the PL are concerned is West Ham stayed up.

It is interesting to note, that when the results of the hearing came out, Sheff Utd were looking almost safe, and little if any complaints eminated from the vicinity of Bramall Lane, indeed most noise seemed to come from Wigan, who were in free fall.

Of course, another thing you all seem to refuse to consider is Fulham (a team that didn't look like it could buy a win) escaped relegation by virtue of a somewhat fortuitous victory over a less than full strength Liverpool, who under normal circumstances would have rolled the cottagers over with little effort.

Sean Bean and the rest are trying to highlight and promote "Fairness in Football" and not whineing like you say. Their references to what has happened are simply to highlight the lack of Fairness

We all know this is a load of rubbish. Sean Bean et al are merely just trying to promote the cause of Sheff Utd with a view to pressuring the arbitration panel into over turning the previous panel's decision to fine West Ham.

As far as fairness in football is concerned, it is fair that 3 teams were relegated because of their poor performances on the pitch, and their inability to gather enough points or indeed sufficient goal difference in order to keep three other sides below them.

As i said before, I'm not looking to be reistated, im happy with competing in the championship next season and winning it, and getting promoted. IF we were reinstated then great, i wouldnt complain, but the chances of it happening are very slim, simply because the prem fat cats havent got the bollocks to make a decision on the consequences of us being reinstated.

Fair play on admitting that you've accepted relegation. As a West Ham fan we remember all to well how hard it is to come to terms with. I just wish everyone else associated with Sheff Utd had the same level of self respect and dignity shown by yourself.

Some compo is exactly what is expected.

What for? Awarding compensation would be admitting the decision was wrong, but then based on past presedences - no wait, there wasn't any, nor was there anything in the rules to state a points deduction necessary - how could the decision be wrong?

 

[Jack & Helga]

It is interesting to note, that when the results of the hearing came out, Sheff Utd were looking almost safe, and little if any complaints eminated from the vicinity of Bramall Lane, indeed most noise seemed to come from Wigan, who were in free fall.

This (along with every other 'argument' on this topic) has been covered.
Complaints were voiced by us at the time but it was looking then as if Wigan would have to lead the fight so we were going to back them all the way. As it happens the situation were reversed, so now Wigan are backing us. Quite simple really.
It was stated almost as soon as the decision was made that if anyone went down in Wham's place, it would be that team that would have to lead the fight and they would be backed by the others.

 

[Come from away]

1. This is not a whine against WHU players or fans
2. The 'administration' of WHU cheated, admited it and were punished
3. The panel chickened out of a significant punishment, as is there right
4. The League has the right to review any decision
5. While not changing the original decision there is room to question allowing an illegaly registered player to continue, particularly by suggesting WHU violate an established contract
6. There is lot's of room for lawyers
7. Had it been Rotherham they would have deducted the 10pts and had done with it
8. This is all about politics, priviledge and money. If you doubt this then just for a moment think about the money/priviledge etc surrounding the Olympic organizing committee

 

[Come from away]

On a quieter note. Are the Panel expected to render a decision at the end of two days or do we have another week of waiting?

 

[sendô WHU]

2. The 'administration' of WHU cheated, admited it and were punished

For all intents and purposes, yes, though I dislike the word cheated immensely. The fact that the third party contract with MSI was held back didn't have much baring in the long term as the PL still deemed Tevez legit to play after finding out about it. The WH chairman at the time, Terrence Brown, should have just showed the PL all the documents, who would have told WH what they needed to do to make everything hunky dorey, then there would have been no scandal.

3. The panel chickened out of a significant punishment, as is there right

Possibly, though I fail to see how £5.5m less to spend is insignificant. Bleat all you want about this supposed £40, £50m, £60m windfall (it goes up all the time depending on the stand point of the writer), West Ham have £5.5m less to spend on players than their rivals now.

4. The League has the right to review any decision

I'll take your word for that, though I understand the arbitration only came about because a member club called for the review?

5. While not changing the original decision there is room to question allowing an illegaly registered player to continue, particularly by suggesting WHU violate an established contract

Very true. Shame he was never illegally registered though eh?

6. There is lot's of room for lawyers

Yes, they like to squeeze money where possible.

7. Had it been Rotherham they would have deducted the 10pts and had done with it

On what grounds do you base that theory then? The anti-northern bias theory?

8. This is all about politics, priviledge and money. If you doubt this then just for a moment think about the money/priviledge etc surrounding the Olympic organizing committee

Yeah that's right, it's all about the money and priviledge of a WH team that had only been back in the prem 2 seasons and has suffered for years through inept leadership and lack of investment.

Quite what the olympic committee has to do with anything is a mystery, but of course it fits in with your theory so hey, let's throw it in there.

 

[MAQ]

Not that the signup process was particularly onerous, I signed up, mainly, to find out why you all think it necessary to continually try to flog a dead horse

I wasnt suggesting that the signup process was difficult, my point was simply that if you didnt feel that there was a corner to defend, and the right decision had been, and would again be, made why bother? if the tables were turned i may look into your supporters comments, may even laugh to myself at what was said, but i wouldnt see the point in signing up to defend something that didnt need defending.

Nice to see you aren't bitter then. This is the thing that irritates me, the amount of spite and vitriol being directed towards West Ham is discusting. Get over yourselves ffs.

Not bitter in the slightest. Just stating that IF he is indeed going to move on, and it does appear that way from the media, then i would like him to stay within the prem. His skill and class are undenyable................He is still ugly though, c'mon you got to agree with me there!!

Yeah it's a southern conspiracy to rid the Prem of northern teams led by Trevor Brooking. Next stop, Man Utd and Liverpool.

i didnt say that it was a southern conspiracy, nor did i state that there was a north/south divide. All i was pointing out was that the more support we have the more it shows the general feeling of football fans towards what has been done.

think this is the crux of the issue. The Premier League (not the FA as people repeatedly state) didn't want to hand out a points deduction, as that would have virtually relegated West Ham on the spot,

which is clearly stated in the official report on the Premier league website

Link

the reasoning given for this was that it would have been unfair to the fans, despite also stating that at another point in the season a points deduction would have been the punishment given.

We all know this is a load of rubbish. Sean Bean et al are merely just trying to promote the cause of Sheff Utd with a view to pressuring the arbitration panel into over turning the previous panel's decision to fine West Ham.

As far as fairness in football is concerned, it is fair that 3 teams were relegated because of their poor performances on the pitch, and their inability to gather enough points or indeed sufficient goal difference in order to keep three other sides below them.

of course he is trying to promote the cause, red and white is in his blood. The fairness in football element has evolved out of this, simply to raise the profile of what has happened and to ensure that this doesnt happen again. Do you honestly think that the Premier league would want to go through the same motions with Manure or Chelski?

What for? Awarding compensation would be admitting the decision was wrong, but then based on past presedences - no wait, there wasn't any, nor was there anything in the rules to state a points deduction necessary - how could the decision be wrong?

As i mentioned above the independant commisions judgement stated what the punishment would have been under normal circumstances, POINTS DEDUCTION, The rules also do state that the penalty for rule breaking is a points deduction, it isnt specific as to which rule nor to how many points but the rule is there. As far as past presedences there are examples, its highly uncommon for two clubs to penalised for the same "crime" as usually after the first instance the league would make sure that no other club could possibly do the same thing (As has been reported by the Prem, by means of supplying all documentation upon the player signing) But both middlesborough and Swindon were deducted points for breaking the rules.

As far as fairness in football is concerned, it is fair that 3 teams were relegated because of their poor performances on the pitch, and their inability to gather enough points or indeed sufficient goal difference in order to keep three other sides below them.

i cant dispute your soments on this, indeed it was in our own hands and WE lost it. However had it not been for your world class star and the goals that he scored for you, and the form that he showed in the last few matches, you cant deny that the story would have been very very different. This is why ppl are demanding proof of the contract, and that he is indeed elligable to play. Apart from your chairman stating that he is, there has been no proof issued. And lets be fair, he's hardly going to stand up and say "oh well, you caught us out didnt you, you're right he shoudlnt be playing. We did try to cancel the third party agreement but Kia wouldnt have it. Sorry chaps" (Only with an icelandic accent)

 

[Jack & Helga]

...though I dislike the word cheated immensely...

Funniest thing I've read today, lol. At least we all agree on something

 

[Come from away]

For all intents and purposes, yes, though I dislike the word cheated immensely. The fact that the third party contract with MSI was held back didn't have much baring in the long term as the PL still deemed Tevez legit to play after finding out about it. The WH chairman at the time, Terrence Brown, should have just showed the PL all the documents, who would have told WH what they needed to do to make everything hunky dorey, then there would have been no scandal.


Quite what the olympic committee has to do with anything is a mystery, but of course it fits in with your theory so hey, let's throw it in there.

Sorry you feel the need to take cheap shots, but if you read my first line I have no beef with players, fans or geography. If you have not figured out that in this world there is one law for the rich and another for the rest of us, then bless you my child enjoy the world in all its innocence.

Actually, I think its good that you invade this site in order to wind us up, it seems to have brought the best out of us. I'm sure we will have fun next year. As for WHU, you were very much a one trick pony last year and your pony is taking a ride. Even if you do throw $18M at Bent, just take a look where Charleton are right now. Overall, I think we are in for a better year. Ta mate, I feel a lot better now.

 

[sendô WHU]

I wasnt suggesting that the signup process was difficult, my point was simply that if you didnt feel that there was a corner to defend, and the right decision had been, and would again be, made why bother? if the tables were turned i may look into your supporters comments, may even laugh to myself at what was said, but i wouldnt see the point in signing up to defend something that didnt need defending.

For the most part, I'm bored at work, and the lack of football has addled my brain. I need something to keep be going

Not bitter in the slightest. Just stating that IF he is indeed going to move on, and it does appear that way from the media, then i would like him to stay within the prem. His skill and class are undenyable................He is still ugly though, c'mon you got to agree with me there!!

Most of our team is ugly. Wouldn't have it any other way. Though personally I'd hate to see him at the likes of Man U, Chelsea etc.

i didnt say that it was a southern conspiracy, nor did i state that there was a north/south divide. All i was pointing out was that the more support we have the more it shows the general feeling of football fans towards what has been done.

Fair enough. I gist I get from most blades fans seems to suggest otherwise though.

which is clearly stated in the official report on the Premier league website

Link

the reasoning given for this was that it would have been unfair to the fans, despite also stating that at another point in the season a points deduction would have been the punishment given.

It doesn't state that anywhere. It states, and I quote, "Thus we do not order any deduction of points. We repeat we do take these breaches as being extremely serious. They could have merited a points deduction, and thus the financial penalty must reflect that."

of course he is trying to promote the cause, red and white is in his blood. The fairness in football element has evolved out of this, simply to raise the profile of what has happened and to ensure that this doesnt happen again. Do you honestly think that the Premier league would want to go through the same motions with Manure or Chelski?

Well the PL have already decided to ammend the rules to make the whole thing clearer.

As i mentioned above the independant commisions judgement stated what the punishment would have been under normal circumstances, POINTS DEDUCTION, The rules also do state that the penalty for rule breaking is a points deduction, it isnt specific as to which rule nor to how many points but the rule is there.

Hmm, given the ambiguity of the above, would you deem a 2 point deduction satisfactory?

As far as past presedences there are examples, its highly uncommon for two clubs to penalised for the same "crime" as usually after the first instance the league would make sure that no other club could possibly do the same thing (As has been reported by the Prem, by means of supplying all documentation upon the player signing) But both middlesborough and Swindon were deducted points for breaking the rules.

I remember Boro being deducted 3 points, and thought that was a travesty.

i cant dispute your soments on this, indeed it was in our own hands and WE lost it. However had it not been for your world class star and the goals that he scored for you, and the form that he showed in the last few matches, you cant deny that the story would have been very very different. This is why ppl are demanding proof of the contract, and that he is indeed elligable to play. Apart from your chairman stating that he is, there has been no proof issued. And lets be fair, he's hardly going to stand up and say "oh well, you caught us out didnt you, you're right he shoudlnt be playing. We did try to cancel the third party agreement but Kia wouldnt have it. Sorry chaps" (Only with an icelandic accent)

How good a player he is shouldn't be relevant. Several years back now, West Ham beat Aston Villa in a league cup quarter final. In that game we fielded a player by the name of Manny Omoyimni as a 118th minute sub. It later transpired that Manny had already played in the league cup that season for another team (I forget who) whilst out on loan. He played about 2 minutes, and didn't touch the ball. Villa complained, and we were ordered to replay the game.Of course, we lost (on pens I think), and Villa went through to the Semis.

Had Tevez been shit, I don't really think anything would have changed. It's easy for people to point at him and say he single handed saved West Ham, but then I could point out that until we signed him (and Mascherano) in August we were playing decent football. After they joined we nose dived. So maybe if we hadn't signed the Argies we would have been comfortable mid table.

Of course, lets not forget we lost 3-0 at Bramall Lane with Tevez up front.

 

[sendô WHU]

Sorry you feel the need to take cheap shots, but if you read my first line I have no beef with players, fans or geography. If you have not figured out that in this world there is one law for the rich and another for the rest of us, then bless you my child enjoy the world in all its innocence.

Actually, I think its good that you invade this site in order to wind us up, it seems to have brought the best out of us. I'm sure we will have fun next year. As for WHU, you were very much a one trick pony last year and your pony is taking a ride. Even if you do throw $18M at Bent, just take a look where Charleton are right now. Overall, I think we are in for a better year. Ta mate, I feel a lot better now.

It wasn't mean't as a cheap shot, I just didn't see you reasoning for mentioning the Olympic, and it seemed as though you'd only added it in there because it's in East London.

I'm not here on a wind up. I think it's refreshing that most (if not all) of the posters on here are intelligent people who put their points across well, without resorting to childish insults. It's a far cry from the stereotypical view of yorkshiremen peddled by the media, and indeed from some of the comments from other so called West Ham fans I've seen on here.

Also, I hope we dont sign Bent. Over rated tosh.

 

[Robbie]

What for? Awarding compensation would be admitting the decision was wrong,

And by your own admission, the decision was wrong.

 

[sendô WHU]

No, I said the PL wouldn't have had the guts to dock points because of the implications at that stage of the season. I've clearly stated that I don't like seeing points docked.