We Are Safe

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

I fully understand your point, I just don’t understand the pessimistic view point of anyone, I’m just not like that.

I expect everything and when I don’t get it I don’t criticize anyone. I suck it up, let it fester and wait till it makes the success feel a million times better.

This is my million times better.

No problem with any of that. I was mainly wanting to defend the ‘pessimists’ (which I am about United) against the charge of being gloomy (which I am not). I stay behind every game to applaud the players, even after defeats, and am puzzled why more people don’t. I am a very happy pessimist. In 2 of the last 3 seasons, I have celebrated safe from relegation, guaranteed play-offs, guaranteed promotion, and in 2017, guaranteed top of league, guaranteed 100 points. No-one celebrates like a pessimist!

 

[ThatJa]

I think we will stay up. Do I think 36 points is enough? No.

I'd say 38 is enough this year. We should get above that comfortably.

 

[Sabella's Socks]

Weren't we once mid-table at about half past 4, maybe later, and relegated from Division 1 by 10 to 5?

And even when it's mathematically certain we could always have points deducted...

I'll believe it when/if we kick off in the Premier League next season. Just to be sure.

 

[HillmortonBlade]

Lucky you I stood in a pub in Rugby all alone to watch the debacle unfold!

Which pub?

Asking as a Rugby resident..

 

[metalblade]

The 3 bottom teams are averaging 1pt per game even if they get that to 1.5pts per game they will not catch us if we keep doing what we have all season. We will not lose every game from here.

 

[Auld Reekie Blade]

There is a big difference between gloom and realism. It is literally not true that we are safe, and no sport is concluded in advance. Complacency is not a good frame of mind for the participants, and realism is a good defence mechanism for fans. Those who have been through a succession of failures, many of them improbable, over many years, have experienced a heightened sense of joy at the experience of the Wilder years; I suspect that the majority of those who peddle gloom on here (after Liverpool away, or slagging off individual players) are those who don't factor in the possibility of failure. As the saying goes, it's the hope that kills you.
We are not safe from relegation (there, I've said it), and I am thoroughly enjoying this magnificent season.

THIS, well said sir!

 

[bonnet de douche]

Just win one of the next two games ...then we can all bin this chat ...job done

 

[Punk Blade]

Of course there will be pressure, staying up was the target at the start of the season I guarantee that won’t be Wilder’s target now.

With the season we’ve had so far and the players signed in the window, a bottom half finish will be disappointing now. We need to keep the momentum going as long as possible and carry that into next season.

Relative to the other 19 teams we will be under the least pressure. That’s probably already the case and will be until Norwich get R next to their name.

 

[Dkc]

Just win one of the next two games ...then we can all bin this chat ...job done

Job will be done when we're mathematically safe from relegation

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

Shakes head to clear it. Only remaining question for me is, do we go full out for Cup or concentrate on Champions League or Europa. Relegation, give me a break, and I'm still haunted by our early 90s Chelsea away loss

Further complicated by winning the cup also giving us Europe...

 

[Dkc]

Basically we don't want English teams winning the Europa League or CL. But we want Man City to win the League Cup and either us or a team above us to win the FA Cup

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

I recon this is just about the relegation league now....
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Reckon that is a good call.

 

[3-GBlade]

I am the most pessimistic Blade ever - trust me on that one!
But as things stand right now
West Ham need to get one point per match from their remaining games ( their current gain is about that) just to catch us where we are now!

 

[tincan]

1. Has a team ever been 5th after 25 games and been relegated?
2. Are Man Utd, Spurs and Arsenal entertaining the possibility of relegation?

We’re a top half team. Even if some of the fan base don’t believe it yet, the players, management and board certainly do.

Beat Bournemouth next week and that’s 39 points, which is close enough to this arbitrary target of 40 for me. Then it’s three months with no pressure, with the players playing with greater freedom and confidence. This season has been fantastic so far but I can see it getting even better.

We usually get stronger in the second half of the season. If our targets under Wilder have been promotion, playoffs, promotion, survival then this is the longest we’ll have had to play without pressure and really express ourselves. We could be in for some truly spectator results.

Arsenal are 6 points clear of relegation with an unproven manager, we are 5points adrift of Champions league with a proven manager and a top defense. The latter is more likely then the former but we have the experience of the past relegation's to remind us not to get too cocky.

Of course there will be pressure, staying up was the target at the start of the season I guarantee that won’t be Wilder’s target now.

With the season we’ve had so far and the players signed in the window, a bottom half finish will be disappointing now. We need to keep the momentum going as long as possible and carry that into next season.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Ok, maths fans, what currently is the highest amount of points that you could still get relegated on this season?
Anyone, anyone, Buller, Buller?

 

[cmbillm]

I’ve looked at the 24 seasons since the 38 match PL season, 1995/96 - and for teams with 36 points after 25 matches: the lowest finishing position after 38 games was 13th; the average finishing position was 8th / 9th.

Of teams who were 5th after 25 matches: the lowest finish after 38 games was 8th; and the average finishing position after 38 games was 5th/6th.

Take your pick as to whether points accumulated after 25 games is more indicative than league position after 25 games. Either way, we are safely safe. Wouldn’t want the players to read this tho’.

 

[SwissBlade]

Dozens of posts on dozens of threads this week with people still worrying about getting to 40 points.

FFS discard the gloom.

I don’t give a fuck what happened in 1975, 1994, 2007 or 4 years ago.

I’m living for now and enjoying every moment.

This is different; we are in the Premier League and have made a clear statement that we intend staying here for a long time. Forget about the 4 points we need to avoid relegation.

We win convincingly when its easy, we grind out a result when its hard and we put in solid performances against billion pound teams.

You should be learning the words to Abide With Me and making sure your passports are up to date, not worrying about getting 4 points from 13 games.

The future is red and white, the future is now.

I haven’t looked down the table since probably mid September, looking back it was most likely that Everton win which kicked us on.

We’ve been fantastic all season really and but for a slow start finding our feet as well as a few games where we’ve dropped daft points, were probably where we deserve to be.

40 points is still the magic number to appease fans worried of relegation, so just 4 points to go there then.

But That’s not the target. I don’t think it ever has been for wilder despite him sometimes playing things down he challenges his players to push

He’s relentless in his pursuit of success, but does it all with experts around him, whether it be recruitment, fitness, injuries, statistical a analysis, coaching, tactics, we have everything in place to take us to 4th place

 

[essexblade73]

To go down we would need to go on a losing streak never seen in the wilder era, our players have more balls than some of our lily livered fans luckily

 

[YES Blade]

Just checked on oddschecker and you can get odds of 1000/1 for us to be relegated.

So if anyone is genuinely worried, stick a few quid on!

 

[Hamburg Blade]

We've been safe for a while. It's amazing how many football supporters don't understand how league tables work. This whole "woe is me, I'm a Blade" act is not endearing humility, it's over the top miserable (usually fake) pessimism. I suspect it's become a part of Bladeness because Wednesdayites are the opposite and because we laugh at their pompous delusions we daren't show even a smidgeon of self-belief. However, it doesn't sound good or come across well. Manchester United fans are 100% not considering relegation, the fact that a lot of our fans still are is embarrassing.

 

[grafikhaus]

I recon this is just about the relegation league now....
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Fuck I hope Villa and The Spammers go down.

 

[Niceguyeddie]

We've been safe for a while. It's amazing how many football supporters don't understand how league tables work. This whole "woe is me, I'm a Blade" act is not endearing humility, it's over the top miserable (usually fake) pessimism. I suspect it's become a part of Bladeness because Wednesdayites are the opposite and because we laugh at their pompous delusions we daren't show even a smidgeon of self-belief. However, it doesn't sound good or come across well. Manchester United fans are 100% not considering relegation, the fact that a lot of our fans still are is embarrassing.

This post is embarrassing ,for a start who are you aiming it at ?
Not one person has said they think we will go down
Some have pointed out we are not technically safe ( we aren't until its mathematically impossible to go down ) all this big man talk is just that ,talk

 

[metalblade]

Fuck I hope Villa and The Spammers go down.

That could well be decided on the last day, they play each other. My tips to drop are Norwich, West Ham and Villa.

 

[BushBlade]

Ok, maths fans, what currently is the highest amount of points that you could still get relegated on this season?
Anyone, anyone, Buller, Buller?

I calculate it to be 73 but I think I might have fucked it up.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

I calculate it to be 73 but I think I might have fucked it up.

I think everyone would have to win every game for that wouldn’t they? I’d guess it would be probably in the 50s at the moment but will come down significantly each week dependant on results. It also would have to assume that the top 8 lose almost every game from now until May.

 

[metalblade]

It is quite simple we are averaging 1.44pts per game keep that up and we finish on 54-55 pts which means west Ham would need 11 wins from 13 to go above us, same for Watford, Norwich would have to win every game. As it is if we lost every game the Spammers need to win 4, every win we get adds another they need to win. It just isn't going to happen does anyone seriously think we need to get 54pts to finish 17th?

 

[Hamburg Blade]

This post is embarrassing ,for a start who are you aiming it at ?
Not one person has said they think we will go down
Some have pointed out we are not technically safe ( we aren't until its mathematically impossible to go down ) all this big man talk is just that ,talk

How about the post that said "we are not safe from relegation", equating a pessimistic outlook with "realism" and declaring "It is literally not true that we are safe"? Liked by over a dozen people and you called a "great post". That is not pointing out that we aren't mathematically safe (which everybody knows, so what would be the point?)
That is who my post was aimed at, amongst others, people who can't reply to the statement "We Are Safe" without pointing out that we aren't.

 

[Niceguyeddie]

How about the post that said "we are not safe from relegation", equating a pessimistic outlook with "realism" and declaring "It is literally not true that we are safe"? Liked by over a dozen people and you called a "great post". That is not pointing out that we aren't mathematically safe (which everybody knows, so what would be the point?)
That is who my post was aimed at, amongst others, people who can't reply to the statement "We Are Safe" without pointing out that we aren't.

But we aren't ,pointing that out doesn't mean that even one per cent of your being means we will go down

 

[Yoonited]

Dozens of posts on dozens of threads this week with people still worrying about getting to 40 points.

FFS discard the gloom.

I don’t give a fuck what happened in 1975, 1994, 2007 or 4 years ago.

I’m living for now and enjoying every moment.

This is different; we are in the Premier League and have made a clear statement that we intend staying here for a long time. Forget about the 4 points we need to avoid relegation.

We win convincingly when its easy, we grind out a result when its hard and we put in solid performances against billion pound teams.

You should be learning the words to Abide With Me and making sure your passports are up to date, not worrying about getting 4 points from 13 games.

The future is red and white, the future is now.

Love the enthusiasm and positivity. Some folk simply refuse to enjoy what is,no matter what

 

[killyblade]

Just had a look at the last eight seasons, and only one team that finished 17th has achieved the 40 point mark, Watford in 16/17. That year, Hull in 18th only got 34, so they escaped easily. In three of the seasons, including the last two, 17th place ended up with 36 points. Highest total for 18th in that period has been 37.
Maybe it will take more this season, but let's not panic eh?