We Are Safe

[ATL Recs]

Next 3 games are at home against 3 of those in your bottom league. Score first and their heads will drop and we can steamroller them. Tufty will keep any complacency well at bay.

Magic, Kazakhstan here we come!

Nowt worse than playing teams fighting for their life’s one game at a time

 

[Hamburg Blade]

But we aren't ,pointing that out doesn't mean that even one per cent of your being means we will go down

You can point something out to qualify your optimism, or belief that you're safe, but that's not what was done.

 

[Hamburg Blade]

Nowt worse than playing teams fighting for their life’s one game at a time

Worse than if our next games were Liverpool and Man City away?

 

[grafikhaus]

Just had a look at the last eight seasons, and only one team that finished 17th has achieved the 40 point mark, Watford in 16/17. That year, Hull in 18th only got 34, so they escaped easily. In three of the seasons, including the last two, 17th place ended up with 36 points. Highest total for 18th in that period has been 37.
Maybe it will take more this season, but let's not panic eh?

 

[bypassblade]

Dozens of posts on dozens of threads this week with people still worrying about getting to 40 points.

FFS discard the gloom.

I don’t give a fuck what happened in 1975, 1994, 2007 or 4 years ago.

I’m living for now and enjoying every moment.

I admire your optimism and also have said all season we'd finish top 10 never once have I considered going down (said it publicly on here) but, if you'd seen us in 74/5 1994/95 or 2007 then you may give a fuck about what happened. The hardest one to take was obviously the 75 one as it signalled a major decline in our wonderful club but we have come back, not sure what happened 4 years ago tho.

You have to understand that Blades fans are the kind that until they see that something is impossible will they believe it, we've seen too many false dawns and I understand your point entirely but I also understand theirs also.

I'd love to see us qualify for Europe by our league position but FA cup would be nice, we won't go down but we do have glass half full attitude with our fans (also best fans in world I add). I was with old friends last night and we were saying how it's typical that we're old and crinkly and Blades producing best stuff ever, by the same token fans my age and older have had to endure the very, very lean years, enjoy now but never dismiss our past it's what has shaped and defined us.

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

Just checked on oddschecker and you can get odds of 1000/1 for us to be relegated.

So if anyone is genuinely worried, stick a few quid on!

But then I'd be worried about losing my £10. Like when we could buy shares in United, I could imagine few things worse than looking at both the league table and the FT share index after our opponents scored a goal.

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

We've been safe for a while. It's amazing how many football supporters don't understand how league tables work. This whole "woe is me, I'm a Blade" act is not endearing humility, it's over the top miserable (usually fake) pessimism. I suspect it's become a part of Bladeness because Wednesdayites are the opposite and because we laugh at their pompous delusions we daren't show even a smidgeon of self-belief. However, it doesn't sound good or come across well. Manchester United fans are 100% not considering relegation, the fact that a lot of our fans still are is embarrassing.

Self-deprecating humour is in my view better than pomposity (which ironically is a pompous thing to say). In justification of my pessimism, I have been going to the Lane since 1953, and I would not like to add up the number of successful seasons we have had (pre-2016, anyway). And in any case, it is the role of old people to be embarrassing. And even Manchester United got relegated in the 1970s.

 

[Punk Blade]

I think everyone would have to win every game for that wouldn’t they? I’d guess it would be probably in the 50s at the moment but will come down significantly each week dependant on results. It also would have to assume that the top 8 lose almost every game from now until May.

It’s not perfect, but if the top 2 and bottom 2 lost every remaining game (except when they play each other of course!), I’ve got the other 16 finishing on 54-57 points if all other games are won. The correct answer is probably 55 as it currently stands.

 

[Dkc]

Would Wilder say that we can relax now as there's no chance of relegation? Or would he suggest we wait until we are mathematically safe before breaking out the bunting and champagne?

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

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I like the stats. 2010-11 looks rough on Blackpool and Birmingham, relegated with 39 points, and unlikely to be back any time soon.

 

[mancunianblade]

its a relief to see Watfords form take a hit, Norwich, Watford, Villa and West Ham seem hell bent on going down

 

[Guesty]

Liverpool were only officially safe about 4 games ago weren't they? Of course, things have moved on since then cos the teams at the bottom haven't picked up maximun points.

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

Would Wilder say that we can relax now as there's no chance of relegation? Or would he suggest we wait until we are mathematically safe before breaking out the bunting and champagne?

If for the last game we were 4 points clear of the team below, and 4 points behind the team above, he would still demand maximum effort.

 

[Hamburg Blade]

Would Wilder say that we can relax now as there's no chance of relegation? Or would he suggest we wait until we are mathematically safe before breaking out the bunting and champagne?

He would probably look at some of the posts and say, "Bloody hell, chaps, what do I have to do?"

 

[Guesty]

its a relief to see Watfords form take a hit, Norwich, Watford, Villa and West Ham seem hell bent on going down

Once we're safe, though (and we're close to it), I wouldn't mind Watford improving again. I don't mind them, whereas I hate West Ham, Villa and Norwich

 

[Dkc]

He would probably look at some of the posts and say, "Bloody hell, chaps, what do I have to do?"

I haven't seen any posts saying anything other than either a) we are definitely safe or b) we are almost certainly safe.

Not being willing to say we are definitely safe when it's not mathematically confirmed yet doesn't make you a doom merchant. It just makes you unwilling to describe something as 'certain' when it's 99.9% probable (according to the bookies) but not yet confirmed

 

[Sheffsteel]

This post is embarrassing ,for a start who are you aiming it at ?
Not one person has said they think we will go down
Some have pointed out we are not technically safe ( we aren't until its mathematically impossible to go down ) all this big man talk is just that ,talk

but that’s like when people say Liverpool haven‘t won the league......we all know Liverpool haven’t yet mathematically won the league

But we all know that Liverpool HAVE won the league....any of their fans still nervous that Man City might catch make themselves look stupid.
It‘s the sane with us....of course mathematically we could still be relegated if we lose all our remaining 13 consecutive matches

But back into reality just accept we are safe from relegation....the big question is can we make Europe.
Saying we are already safe isn’t optimism.....it’s realism.

 

[mancunianblade]

Once we're safe, though (and we're close to it), I wouldn't mind Watford improving again. I don't mind them, whereas I hate West Ham, Villa and Norwich

Amen to that it would be the perfect season if we make Europe

Norwich, West Ham and Villa go down

and

Wendy flounder
Leeds Bottle it

got a touch on just thinking about it

 

[derfblade.3]

 

[Niceguyeddie]

but that’s like when people say Liverpool haven‘t won the league......we all know Liverpool haven’t yet mathematically won the league

But we all know that Liverpool HAVE won the league....any of their fans still nervous that Man City might catch make themselves look stupid.
It‘s the sane with us....of course mathematically we could still be relegated if we lose all our remaining 13 consecutive matches

But back into reality just accept we are safe from relegation....the big question is can we make Europe.
Saying we are already safe isn’t optimism.....it’s realism.

Just as saying we aren't mathematically safe Is not negativity its realism ( actual realism )

Like I said before no one is saying they think we will go down that I've seen but bare in mind we were in a similar position last time we were in the prem so you can understand people waiting to at least surpass that points total before they crack open the lambrini

 

[Sheffsteel]

Would Wilder say that we can relax now as there's no chance of relegation? Or would he suggest we wait until we are mathematically safe before breaking out the bunting and champagne?

Forget about staying up.....Wilder is now targeting Europe....so there’s still pressure to win.

The question has been asked before if low fan expectation and expecting the worse has a detrimental effect on the players.
I’ve been to our Wembley games and pre match Ive heard our fans say they’re only here for the piss up because they know we’ll lose.

I always think of Liverpool when they might have lost the 1st leg away against a Real Madrid or a Barcelona.
Their fans always seem ultra confident they will beat any team in the world at Anfield in the 2nd leg....there is massive expectation and they always deliver.

Positive thinking plays a massive role in sport....some of that positive thinking starts with the fans...as it helps create a club culture.
PS This is not a criticism of our fans because we’ve been kicked in the teeth so often and bare psychological scars.

 

[Niceguyeddie]

Forget about staying up.....Wilder is now targeting Europe....so there’s still pressure to win.

The question has been asked before if low fan expectation and expecting the worse has a detrimental effect on the players.
I’ve been to our Wembley games and pre match Ive heard our fans say they’re only here for the piss up because they know we’ll lose.

I always think of Liverpool when they might have lost the 1st leg away against a Real Madrid or a Barcelona.
Their fans always seem ultra confident they will beat any team in the world at Anfield in the 2nd leg....there is massive expectation and they always deliver.

Positive thinking plays a massive role in sport....some of that positive thinking starts with the fans.
PS This is not a criticism of our fans because we’ve been kicked in the teeth so often and bare psychological scars.

Didn't work that well when Gerrard slipped and handed Chelsea the title or did someone give off negative vibes on the way in

 

[Hamburg Blade]

I haven't seen any posts saying anything other than either a) we are definitely safe or b) we are almost certainly safe.

Not being willing to say we are definitely safe when it's not mathematically confirmed yet doesn't make you a doom merchant. It just makes you unwilling to describe something as 'certain' when it's 99.9% probable (according to the bookies) but not yet confirmed

This is what I'm saying has become tiresome, it's a Blades thing and we cling to it like a badge of honour. People refer back to past times, past teams, situations that aren't at all the same, which is why I say it's amazing that football supporters don't understand tables; it isn't just the maths, it's the number of teams in between, how they're playing, how we're playing. Why keep refering to a "fact" and saying it is "reality" when the real reality is that the situation is different, that four teams can't all suddenly turn it around and start winning and Wilder's team isn't going to fail to pick up three or four points for the whole of the rest of the season?
You wouldn't do it with anything else - are you going on holiday? Well, we've something booked, but I'm not saying we're definitely going until I know we don't fall ill, I don't lose my job or the hotel doesn't burn down. Hell, once, a while back a volcanoe errupted.....
It's time to drop this bizarre Blade tradition. We've entered a new era, the Wilder era.

 

[Hamburg Blade]

Can't wait to reach the FA Cup Final so people can remind us of 1936.

 

[YES Blade]

Just as saying we aren't mathematically safe Is not negativity its realism ( actual realism )

Like I said before no one is saying they think we will go down that I've seen but bare in mind we were in a similar position last time we were in the prem so you can understand people waiting to at least surpass that points total before they crack open the lambrini

Our last Premier League season was nowhere near this season. You can’t even compare them, they ain’t even close.

If we go on a crap run and finish say 15th, I can’t see how that would be a cause for celebration. That would be a poor end to a good season and a very worrying sign going into next season.

I’ll be surprised if we don’t finish top half this season to be honest.

 

[Niceguyeddie]

Our last Premier League season was nowhere near this season. You can’t even compare them, they ain’t even close.

If we go on a crap run and finish say 15th, I can’t see how that would be a cause for celebration. That would be a poor end to a good season and a very worrying sign going into next season.

I’ll be surprised if we don’t finish top half this season to be honest.

I'm not fucking saying we will or that this season is anything like that ,if you can find a quote of mine where I do then please show it me

I'm just saying that people are allowed to post on a football forum that we are not safe until we are
Whether that be for reasons of superstition or whatever
Please stop trying to twist what I say as I actually have thought we are safe for a long while and I think we will finish top ten

 

[Numpty's Dusty Ruts.]

Jesus. If we actually got to the cup final I don't think I'd be able to sing abide with me through the tears. It's just iconic, and something I still never think I'll get to experience.

It's a shit and morbid song anyway. The Cup Final should be fun, so just before Greasy Chip Buttie, everyone should join in and sing "The Sun has got his Hat On", or the theme song from "The Muppets".
I genuinely didn't think I'd live to experience anything remotely like this season (and I'm "only " 61 and relatively healthy), so "why not?" to the Cup Final??

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Once we're safe, though (and we're close to it), I wouldn't mind Watford improving again. I don't mind them, whereas I hate West Ham, Villa and Norwich

I’d even take Norwich staying up if it meant Villa and West Ham being in the relegation places on game 38.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

It's a shit and morbid song anyway. The Cup Final should be fun, so just before Greasy Chip Buttie, everyone should join in and sing "The Sun has got his Hat On", or the theme song from "The Muppets".

I’m well up for that!!

 

[Bartleby]

Ok, maths fans, what currently is the highest amount of points that you could still get relegated on this season?
Anyone, anyone, Buller, Buller?

Found an interesting article here https://www.pinnacle.com/en/betting...-end-of-season-points-totals/2B22XRSASB8S55BP

It says that a formula of relationship of points to goal difference is League Points = (0.6455 * GD) + 52

That is for over a whole season, and while it does seem a bit crude I've tried it against a few previous league tables and it was mostly quite accurate.

It doesn't say whether it applies to part of a season or not, but when I did apply it to the current table now it has us finishing on 53.9 points, and a bottom 3 of

Villa 42.3 / Southampton 42.3 (obv skewed by the 9-0)
Watford 41.6
Norwich 37