Too much criticism for McBurnie?

[8lade]

Everybody saying 'he's not premier league quality' is this based on goals scored, how he looks, consistency, something else?

 

[Fulwood Blade]

The last bit is the issue. It appears he is Wilders #1.

UTB

Agree 100% Dronnie - that was quite obvious after what CW said around the Chelsea game that he would have started if he hadn't had the Tonsillitis issue.

We simply have to go with that - but CW will only open himself up to criticism if it continues not to be fruitful.

Time will tell. Would absolutely love ANY United player to do well - but that's the heart speaking - the head says something different

UTB

 

[Fulwood Blade]

Everybody saying 'he's not premier league quality' is this based on goals scored, how he looks, consistency, something else?

It's a combination of things.

The Scotland fans aren't holding back - so it's not just United fans.

Are most wrong? Are opposition fans wrong - I've spoken at length to fans of other clubs - no one thinks he's any good. Neutral fans seem to offer that opinion all the time.

UTB

 

[8lade]

A lot of fans on this forum are still having him starting against West Ham, there is no doubt in my mind that he should be on the bench as he is out of form but the way he played last season (I saw) was a good first season and something to kick on from but he's just gone backwards. Overall I think he'll be a decent but limited EPL striker but he won't be the first to make a career at this level by just having one strong attribute (his heading).

 

[Snowflake]

This is a wind up right ? Kane and McB in the same breath really.

Do you remember Kane in the Championship ? Was he better then than McB was at Swansea ?
Give home another 12 months and then we can make a better conclusion as to whether he is a Premier goal scorer.
I agree he will never be as good as Kane is now.

 

[Chabuddy G]

McBurnie is a ball to feet drop deep and collect type of player.
He's NOT a target man.

If we stop using him like it, and start to give him a teeny tiny bit of service, we might see a better player.

 

[Varkanoid]

there is no doubt in my mind that he should be on the bench as he is out of form

and the in-form striker to replace him goes to......... ????

 

[8lade]

McGoldrick, Sharp, Burke in that order.

 

[Freethinker]

McBurnie is a ball to feet drop deep and collect type of player.
He's NOT a target man.

If we stop using him like it, and start to give him a teeny tiny bit of service, we might see a better player.

This is correct it's how he played at swansea and why we bought him it seems he's been coached out of one system to fit another

 

[FTPE]

McBurnie is a ball to feet drop deep and collect type of player.
He's NOT a target man.

If we stop using him like it, and start to give him a teeny tiny bit of service, we might see a better player.

This.

McBurnie doesn't "have good feet for a big man" he just has GOOD FEET.

He controls well, passes well, turns well, drives well.
Play to his bleeding strengths. He's good in the air but I agree, he's not a target man.

 

[LudlamBlade]

This.

McBurnie doesn't "have good feet for a big man" he just has GOOD FEET.

He controls well, passes well, turns well, drives well.
Play to his bleeding strengths. He's good in the air but I agree, he's not a target man.

This is correct it's how he played at swansea and why we bought him it seems he's been coached out of one system to fit another

Glad to know that others see it too!

There's only so many times you can post his goals vids from Swansea before you start to die inside everyone someone calls him a target man or a big lad!

 

[Freethinker]

Glad to know that others see it too!

There's only so many times you can post his goals vids from Swansea before you start to die inside everyone someone calls him a target man or a big lad!

Hopefully when fleck gets back in there could be a ball or two to his feet to run on to

 

[LudlamBlade]

Hopefully when fleck gets back in there could be a ball or two to his feet to run on to

Agreed! Berge is improving at that part of his game all the time as well, he was talking about it in an interview I read earlier today actually.

I'm aware I sound like a proper broken record as I keep mentioning him but I'd love to see Bogle come on against a tiring Cresswell and whip some crosses into Oli!

For what it's worth I think he comes across as a bit of a div if I'm honest, and I do think he's not got his head focused in the right way. I used to live in Leeds and he just reminds me of every other chapel allerton wannabe rudeboy type. But that doesn't stop me seeing his value and/or potential!

 

[8lade]

McBurnie is a ball to feet drop deep and collect type of player.

This is correct it's how he played at swansea and why we bought him it seems he's been coached out of one system to fit another

Glad to know that others see it too!

There's only so many times you can post his goals vids from Swansea before you start to die inside everyone someone calls him a target man or a big lad!

Well you made me watch that video again
24 goals
3 penalties
10 goals from in and around the goal area
8 headed goals
3 goals from further out than 10 yards
This is how he scored his goals in the second tier, he's a goal poacher like Sharp and Brewster but with strong aerial prowess. Having said that he is woefully out of form and bar a header against Wolves hasn't had anything on target.

BTW who has called him a target man?

 

[Freethinker]

Well you made me watch that video again
24 goals
3 penalties
10 goals from in and around the goal area
8 headed goals
3 goals from further out than 10 yards
This is how he scored his goals in the second tier, he's a goal poacher like Sharp and Brewster but with strong aerial prowess. Having said that he is woefully out of form and bar a header against Wolves hasn't had anything on target.

BTW who has called him a target man?

I don't know but that's how we are playing him

 

[S40BLADE]

I will once again post this waiting for an answer. Why the specific targeting of players when all but a couple are fucking horrible to watch at the minute? Especially with strikers. We could have fucking Lewandowski struggling to score 12 for us. Constant criticism for the least catered to position in our squad is bizarre.

 

[Champagneblade]

For those that don't fancy him and considering he cost 17-20m, would you consider some sort of swap deal with Morelos at Rangers?

It wouldn't surprise me to see them throw in a 12m bid to test the waters. He makes no secret of his support for them.

If you got offered 15m, would anyone be tempted to sell?

 

[Half Bond Jls]

Can't we just sign all them Swansea players who used to set his goals up

 

[Bladesthorpe]

For those that don't fancy him and considering he cost 17-20m, would you consider some sort of swap deal with Morelos at Rangers?

It wouldn't surprise me to see them throw in a 12m bid to test the waters. He makes no secret of his support for them.

If you got offered 15m, would anyone be tempted to sell?

Yes.

 

[LudlamBlade]

Well you made me watch that video again
24 goals
3 penalties
10 goals from in and around the goal area
8 headed goals
3 goals from further out than 10 yards
This is how he scored his goals in the second tier, he's a goal poacher like Sharp and Brewster but with strong aerial prowess. Having said that he is woefully out of form and bar a header against Wolves hasn't had anything on target.

BTW who has called him a target man?

It's how he's most commonly referred to by most people, from what I've seen! Wasn't a reference to any particular person making any particular comment, just the apparent general perception of him as someone you have to lump it towards

 

[Gozza]

That last game for Scotland though he looked like a defender knocking the ball back to the keeper.
I'm happy with where I sit on this; he does not have the confidence to be playing up front, he should come on where we're comfortable (if such a thing will happen this season) or we're holding a lead and need that extra height in defence.

Who would you replace him with?

 

[Gozza]

He needs things doing to him, but I'm not saying what things as they're bleeding evil, and if someone finds him drunk ont floor in town and does em to him, I'll feel awful.

Just a little 'wake up call?'

 

[Gozza]

Until the left side of defense and midfield are sorted out I don't think it's fair to criticise any of our attackers. I know McBurnie's ball control looks poor at times but he needs to be on the end of a few decent centres pulled back from the by line, the type we used to see in the rise from league 1 and through the championship. Of course we're up against better defences now, and with both Fleck (playing well) and O'Connell missing I don't know when better service will return.

Couldn't agree more mate. It's always going to be tough too, when your two best players aren't playing.

 

[Gozza]

Just accept it this guy is crap!

He showed moments of his class last year. I know that's not enough for what we need from him and what we brought him in for. But look at our team this season he's playing no worse than anyone else in the team. Like I said too, how can a striker score when he doesn't even have a chance too. Prime examples of this are the Chelsea and City games. Don't get me wrong, they are good team but you can't sit back all game. Especially when you are losing 4-1.

 

[Gozza]

Nicely presented Video.
If you are going by stats, 0 from 15 for Scotland.
Agree that the service is appalling, and its pretty pointless thumping up balls for him to flick on, because nobody runs beyond him.
However in a desperate season, McGoldrick has managed to get 2 from open play.
No disrespect to McBurnie, but just by playing him, encourages the midfield to knock it long.
Whilst options up front are limited, I'd put an extra body in Midfield, and hope Brewster comes good,

Yeah I did have a feeling his stats weren't the best for Scotland either. In terms of your point with McGoldrick I get where you're coming from. However, they are completely different players, McGoldrick has skill and flair. As for McBurnie, well I guess you could either define him as a poacher/ target man. Meaning he relies on other to do well and feed him with chances. Unlike McGoldrick, who in my opinion is a creative player where they are looked upon to start the attacks. That's no shock to Wilder and co. they knew that when they signed him so they must've known that he would need service to do well for us. I know I'm saying the obvious here, but I guess it's still important to remember.

 

[Gozza]

He’s not a poor player he’s just unfortunately not Premier League Quality.

I feel at the end of the day before signing for us. He had scored 22 goals in the championship in his first full season. Bearing in mind he has actually scored against us every time he's played against us too! I feel that it shows if you can score that many in your first season and that young an age. You definitely have the potential, like I mentioned for a poacher, which he is then you need service. No matter what you think of the lad, anyone who's watched us this season, has to agree we haven't given him that.

 

[ATL Recs]

Given decent crosses he was good last season so I don’t doubt he will be this, but he does need decent crosses and we only have one or two players that can do them (occasionally)

He’s had 5 n fluffed the lot

 

[Gozza]

Seriously, that does not make sense at all. We have 2 of our first choice left siders out (Stevens killing himself maintaining the standard) and yet you want to allow our strikers time to take an extra touch, allow the ball to bounce off them or just not get a shot on target? Have a word with yourself about this attitude, it's tantamount to sticking your knickers on your head and saying, 'wibble.'

I think what he was trying to say is, look at the bigger issue. Yes, our goalscoring has been desperate, but they had little to feed off. We created nothing this season due to the wingbacks not getting forward enough. This is due to manager doubling up on us this season with their wingbacks and wingers. So this season our wingbacks are defending rather than attacking. The defence has been nowhere near as solid as last season. That's the real difference between this season and last.

 

[Gozza]

Watched him for Scotland last night and he did quite well, the main problem is that he always receives the ball with his back to goal. He had one situation facing goal from around 20 yards out and rather than look for the opportunity to get a shot off, his first thought was to pass it wide. Its not just him that does its all of our strikers at the moment.

Burke looked lively when he came on. Skinned his full back 3 times in first 5 mins and got decent crosses in, but for some reason Scotland stopped giving him the ball. Much of it down to McTominay who's passing was dreadful.

That's interesting, and that's obviously most likely down to form. It's true but it isn't just our strikers, I've noticed Baldock especially this season takes to long to put a cross in which will definitely be down to confidence too.
As for Burke, I have to say in terms of our strikers this season, he has impressed me the most.

 

[Gozza]

A point that hasn’t been mentioned is the effect of playing behind closed doors.

McBurnie was actually interviews on Talksport a few weeks after the 1st shutdown
and they asked him about playing behind closed doors when the season re-starts.

His reply was that some players can be fantastic in training but struggle playing in front of big crowds
whilst others can do little in training but perform when there’s a crowd and there’s pressure on a game.

McBurnie said he prefers the pressure of a crowd. He said he enjoys the banter and thinks he performs better the bigger the crowd.
Many matches this season are like glorified training sessions.....maybe it’s effecting some players more than others.

That's a great point and I'm sure the rest of the squad, Wilder included feel the same. McBurnie is definitely a 'shithouse' too, so I'm sure he misses the crowds whether its home or away.