Too much criticism for McBurnie?

[Gozza]

I'm going to keep spamming this everytime I see one of these threads.

Yes, he's having a tough time adjusting to the level but I believe he will get there.

Get it played into his feet in and around the area and he's an absolute bagsman

Agreed

 

[Gozza]

I think the main problem is we have no creative CAM Duffy type player to create good chances more consistently for the strikers IMO

Mate I totally agree! I was going to mention a point about Duffy in my video but forgot, I feel due to our great defending and clinical finishing last season we got away with no having him, with our typical 1-0 wins. With the loss of O'Connell though, the defensive displays have gone out the window, I feel dean's commanding too. I watched some of our games recently from the 17-18 and 18-19 season. It was essential to us that Duffy had a decent game those seasons. If we were to get anything from the game. Sadly I think we all know its too late for him to come back. But we need to sign a creative player in January possibly more defensive than him too otherwise we will be too exposed. If we don't... then it could be more back to the walls performances with narrow 0-0 draws or defeats.

 

[GymClassHero]

I'm going to keep spamming this everytime I see one of these threads.

Yes, he's having a tough time adjusting to the level but I believe he will get there.

Get it played into his feet in and around the area and he's an absolute bagsman

Bloke knows where the net is... you don't lose that overnight. Gets nothing like that service fir us. When have we seem him get chances like that for us really?

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

The McBurnie conundrum:

a) we haven't given him the right service
b) he hasn't been clinical enough.

B only improves after A starts to.

 

[GymClassHero]

Glad to know that others see it too!

There's only so many times you can post his goals vids from Swansea before you start to die inside everyone someone calls him a target man or a big lad!

Questiom is why ffs are we playing to a target man? Our success was built on quick direct attacks but also slick passing whereas now we just seem to have no identity!

 

[Gozza]

So, to answer the OP exactly: no, there isn't too much criticism.

The criticism from Scotland fans is far greater than that of United fans - even his love for the GERS still gets criticism because they think he is a poor football who plays up top for Scotland. The WiKi stats say no goals in 14 games. For me they see what some of us see - just an awkward looking/playing footballer.

For me, i'll echo what some others have said/written - he isn't Premier league quality and grossly over rated at £18m. We had to buy someone at the time and Swansea held out for what they got - fair dinkum to them - it isn't a crime for some of us to not think he is nothing more than average.

Swansea played with wide players - we don't play the same way, so I certainly have sympathy with him for the lack of service.

He wouldn't get any where near a starting place for me.

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Yeah that's where I scratch my head a bit. Because since he needs that service and we don't have wingers then why did we get him. He has the quality to be a decent mid-table prem striker, in my opinion.

 

[Gozza]

The McBurnie conundrum:

a) we haven't given him the right service
b) he hasn't been clinical enough.

B only improves after A starts to.

Exactly!

 

[8lade]

Who would you replace him with?

TLDR: Sharp
McGoldrick is playing the best of our forwards at the moment so he starts irrespective of anything else.
Mousset last season proved he has the most attributes you'd look for in a striker, so if he's looking up to it in training he starts too. If it's not working for him he has to come off. If Mousset isn't ready it has to be Sharp who's the only other player who looks like scoring any time soon.
I'd like to see Burke get at least 15 minutes getting past his man and laying crosses in, the crosses here is the problem as he has such speed he embarrasses top quality defenders.
McBurnie loss of form & Brewster needs introducing slowly to get used to the level, should be used when we are comfortable or nothing else is working.

 

[Gozza]

McBurnie is a ball to feet drop deep and collect type of player.
He's NOT a target man.

If we stop using him like it, and start to give him a teeny tiny bit of service, we might see a better player.

Exactly, he wasn't brought in to do trick and flicks. So if we give him the service he needs, then we can judge him as to whether he does or doesn't have the quality.

 

[8lade]

The McBurnie conundrum:

a) we haven't given him the right service
b) he hasn't been clinical enough.

B only improves after A starts to.

I'd say once you've put one away it opens the game up a bit so A improves after B

 

[Chabuddy G]

Glad to know that others see it too!

There's only so many times you can post his goals vids from Swansea before you start to die inside everyone someone calls him a target man or a big lad!

Yep. BA did a big thread on twitter about his goals for swansea, nearly all of them were with his feet inside the 18 yard box. I think there was like 2 headers

 

[Gozza]

Agreed! Berge is improving at that part of his game all the time as well, he was talking about it in an interview I read earlier today actually.

I'm aware I sound like a proper broken record as I keep mentioning him but I'd love to see Bogle come on against a tiring Cresswell and whip some crosses into Oli!

For what it's worth I think he comes across as a bit of a div if I'm honest, and I do think he's not got his head focused in the right way. I used to live in Leeds and he just reminds me of every other chapel allerton wannabe rudeboy type. But that doesn't stop me seeing his value and/or potential!

I'd really like to see Bogle play too.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

He has the quality to be a decent mid-table prem striker, in my opinion.

the neutral fans I speak to do not share your opinion.

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[Gozza]

I will once again post this waiting for an answer. Why the specific targeting of players when all but a couple are fucking horrible to watch at the minute? Especially with strikers. We could have fucking Lewandowski struggling to score 12 for us. Constant criticism for the least catered to position in our squad is bizarre.

Very true, how are you meant to score if you are given a chance to.

 

[Gozza]

For those that don't fancy him and considering he cost 17-20m, would you consider some sort of swap deal with Morelos at Rangers?

It wouldn't surprise me to see them throw in a 12m bid to test the waters. He makes no secret of his support for them.

If you got offered 15m, would anyone be tempted to sell?

He won't do much better for us mate if he's given the same service that McBurnie been given.

 

[Gozza]

Can't we just sign all them Swansea players who used to set his goals up

Problem sorted

 

[Gozza]

TLDR: Sharp
McGoldrick is playing the best of our forwards at the moment so he starts irrespective of anything else.
Mousset last season proved he has the most attributes you'd look for in a striker, so if he's looking up to it in training he starts too. If it's not working for him he has to come off. If Mousset isn't ready it has to be Sharp who's the only other player who looks like scoring any time soon.
I'd like to see Burke get at least 15 minutes getting past his man and laying crosses in, the crosses here is the problem as he has such speed he embarrasses top quality defenders.
McBurnie loss of form & Brewster needs introducing slowly to get used to the level, should be used when we are comfortable or nothing else is working.

I personally think Burkes been our best striker this season. I think Didzy deserves to start, but not as a striker. I think he more a creative player, which is ironic because he's the only player who's scored from open play for us. The problem with that is that it leaves us too exposed. I think it might mean a change of shape to get the most from the team as going wide we only have wingbacks. might be time to have them a bit less offensive and have wingers to forward more.

 

[Gozza]

the neutral fans I speak to do not share your opinion.

UTB

Like I say he's a poacher, he needs service and terms of the service he's getting at the moment he'd probably get more under the A*kin$ team...
Like I've said if he gets some decent chances over the next few games then I'll no argument other than him lacking confidence. But for now, the lad desperately needs some service.

 

[8lade]

Well it's all about opinions but this thread has descended to a point of ridicule when basic facts are being ignored.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

Like I say he's a poacher, he needs service and terms of the service he's getting at the moment he'd probably get more under the A*kin$ team...
Like I've said if he gets some decent chances over the next few games then I'll no argument other than him lacking confidence. But for now, the lad desperately needs some service.

We're asking him to do a job for us that he hasn't done before and it doesn't appear to work. A similar thing has happened with Burke - generally a wide player - Burke has said in an interview that CW brought him in to play up top, not wide. Not quite sure what's happened with Burke, but after the sudden early flourish of games..........he's gone into the wilderness. Is this another player that simply can't adjust to what he has been asked to do?
Swansea played with a 3 up top situation with wide, fast skilful players, so he got chances - we don't play like that.
I don't disagree with the fact that - if he got chances like Swansea gave him with decent service he may well rediscover his poaching instinct - problem is, we won't do that so he won't get better as we won't create those types of chances.
To get out of this shit we're in now will take 2 things: not conceding and scoring a single goal in a game with only 2 or 3 chances in that game. Up to now we've had those chances and simply not taken them. For some of us, McB simply isn't going to be that person to get that all important goal. IF we can stop conceding and try and win at least 1 game, then the 2nd and build confidence to then go on a run.
Simply can't see it being McB even if CW classes him as his no:1 striker.
I am yet to see any on here attack the principal of neutral fans thinking McB is gash at PL and international level (most of the scottish fans)

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[Gozza]

We're asking him to do a job for us that he hasn't done before and it doesn't appear to work. A similar thing has happened with Burke - generally a wide player - Burke has said in an interview that CW brought him in to play up top, not wide. Not quite sure what's happened with Burke, but after the sudden early flourish of games..........he's gone into the wilderness. Is this another player that simply can't adjust to what he has been asked to do?
Swansea played with a 3 up top situation with wide, fast skilful players, so he got chances - we don't play like that.
I don't disagree with the fact that - if he got chances like Swansea gave him with decent service he may well rediscover his poaching instinct - problem is, we won't do that so he won't get better as we won't create those types of chances.
To get out of this shit we're in now will take 2 things: not conceding and scoring a single goal in a game with only 2 or 3 chances in that game. Up to now we've had those chances and simply not taken them. For some of us, McB simply isn't going to be that person to get that all important goal. IF we can stop conceding and try and win at least 1 game, then the 2nd and build confidence to then go on a run.
Simply can't see it being McB even if CW classes him as his no:1 striker.
I am yet to see any on here attack the principal of neutral fans thinking McB is gash at PL and international level (most of the scottish fans)

UTB

Yeah I agree that we need to stop to conceding and covert the very small amount of chances we have. There's one problem though, I think O'Connell is such a big miss for us and. Arguably our best defender, so the organisation and solidarity gone from him could be one of the many reasons as to why he haven't defended the same. The other is that we don't have an outlet. Meaning that even if we do defend well and try to do something we don't seem to create a chance let alone get a shot away. The Chelsea game being a prime example. To fix this? We need a creative player, I was talking to someone else in the thread. He brought up Duffy which I think is a great point. If you look at any of our games from either the 17-18 or 18-19 season. If we ever did well, he was essential. If we had a better carbon copy don't get me wrong he wouldn't fit the system as we would be too exposed defensively but a more defensive minded version? As long as we have the funds, could be worth a try, e.g Brooks?

 

[Gozza]

Well it's all about opinions but this thread has descended to a point of ridicule when basic facts are being ignored.

Chances missed? or chances created?

 

[Houston_Blade]

BTW who has called him a target man?

Our social media team

 

[DronnieBlade]

Has ANYONE even started to consider that if it’s a goal poacher that is required at the top of the pitch (admittedly with the right type of service), we just might have a better option for this role than McB ?

Much more to it than just being a goal poacher at this level. Have got to have an all round ability. Pace Strength Stamina Teckers to name but a few key attributes essential to the role.

Survey from a few months ago had this 9:1 for those that need reminding

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[8lade]

Chances missed? or chances created?

Headed goals, I even broke down the numbers for people (season 18/19) however there seems to be a particularly ignorant forum member who makes up his own numbers to suit his argument. It's the only thing McBurnie brings to the team that we haven't got covered and even then it's his particular style which is to get into a position and demand the ball on his head. Both of Sharp and Brewster are smart enough players to meet the ball ie move to it but cannot command the space like McBurnie. Having said all that McBurnie is just not doing it right now when he does get the chances and United can not afford to let any more be wasted.

 

[Gimli]

Has ANYONE even started to consider that if it’s a goal poacher that is required at the top of the pitch (admittedly with the right type of service), we just might have a better option for this role than McB ?

Much more to it than just being a goal poacher at this level. Have got to have an all round ability. Pace Strength Stamina Teckers to name but a few key attributes essential to the role.

Survey from a few months ago had this 9:1 for those that need reminding

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McBurnie is a better all round player than Sharp if it’s him you’re suggesting as the saviour

 

[DronnieBlade]

McBurnie is a better all round player than Sharp if it’s him you’re suggesting as the saviour

Yeah we know.

We all know .

UTB

 

[Foody]

There is some absolutely ludicrous criticism of McBurnie kicking about. To describe him as 'idol' is laughable, partly because it's 'idle', but mainly because his work rate is really impressive.
You can criticise the guys output, but not his input.

I agree with most of the points in the video. The service to all our strikers has been really poor, no striker scores many in this side. The one thing I would say is, I'm not sure what the % of shots on target adds. Without qualifying that data by looking at the different playing styles it's hard to make much of an argument with it. With our attacking style and reluctance to shoot from range, it's a
stat that will favour our players.

I still think McBurnie will do well for us this season, but we need to find ways to get better service to our strikers. For me the return of Fleck will be key, I'd also get Norwood back in the side and hopefully Ampadu can plug the LCB gap and allow us to offer more down that side.

I know McBurnie will always divide opinion, but he's very good in the air and works hard. His finishing and goal scoring record in the Championship is really impressive. You could argue that that's due to it being 'his level', but he's also been in teams who actually create the chances.

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

The McBurnie conundrum:

a) we haven't given him the right service
b) he hasn't been clinical enough.

B only improves after A starts to.

This point is now starting to play out. He's rusty as is Brewster.

 

[bromtom]

McBurnie will feel as bad as us lot.

He wants to score and he does everything he can, but he's in and out of the team, gets naff all service because we're playing like he's Gary Madine, and when he does get a good chance everyone expects him to score it which is completely unreasonable, even for far better strikers.

Worst thing that happens regularly with United under Wilder, as soon as we get a striker on that needs to duck when he comes out the dugout, we forget that they also have feet.

Happened with Hanson, Leon sometimes, Madine obviously, and now McBurnie.

We're shite hoofers, good footballers. Why abandoning football as soon as a tall striker comes on hasn't been trained out of us is one of Wilder's major oversights.

It instantly takes our players down a level.