Too many 'what we want' threads ...

[pommpey]

Don't bother, mate. To this guy a debate means asking you leading questions in order to set up his next vitriolic outburst. He does boast one remarkable achievement. Over 900 posts and every one of them says the same thing in slightly different words.

Remarkable.

And strangely enough, for all your arsefarting, strutting and muscling your way round these parts, you offer no answer to any of it. It's 'revert to ad hominem' to win the argument, the hallmark of someone who has nothing to say. You can't offer anything. Sean at least comes back with salient points and counter debate. For you, it's namecalling and petty vendetta.

And if it is 900 posts saying the same thing, then yesterdays performance and the seemingly repeating underachievement might just support those 900 posts. Do pay attention.

pommpey

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

I said the Desso pitch looked good ....

but yer seats facing it

 

[Cyprus Blade]

I said the Desso pitch looked good ....

Should have consulted with CW before buying it- could have ordered a good few yards less.

 

[Tyler Durden]

And strangely enough, for all your arsefarting, strutting and muscling your way round these parts, you offer no answer to any of it. It's 'revert to ad hominem' to win the argument, the hallmark of someone who has nothing to say. You can't offer anything. Sean at least comes back with salient points and counter debate. For you, it's namecalling and petty vendetta.

And if it is 900 posts saying the same thing, then yesterdays performance and the seemingly repeating underachievement might just support those 900 posts. Do pay attention.

pommpey

He's a complete know-nothing. Virtually all his posts can be divided into vitriolic attacks on Bassett and Montgomery or his own deluded sense of superiority over other Unitedites.
He brings fuck-all to the table and whines like a little eunuch when he is masterfully put in his place. Worst poster on here by some distance.

 

[Pinchy]

I'm delighted.

If I've alienated those two, I'm doing something right.

Even if they had half a clue each, they wouldn't be able to fit them together...

 

[pommpey]

I'm delighted.

If I've alienated those two, I'm doing something right.

Even if they had half a clue each, they wouldn't be able to fit them together...

You'll go a long way to 'alienate' me, pinchy. As you lack any credible manner to frame an argument without screaming and shouting and getting all menstrual about things, I'd say you are doing it all wrong, than anything right.

And you fail every single time to provide answers to the rhetorical questions regarding how this club is run and why it has declined from being a force to be reckoned with to a laughable blob of eternally underperforming nobodies, destined always to disappoint and whose dismal outcomes always are less than the noise and fuss made about ability and potential.

A bit like you, really.

pommpey

 

[raul]

I'm getting the word......"Gentlemen" .....in bold type.

 

[Rodley]

Where's Sel Baki's CV?

Rodley

 

[Tyler Durden]

She gave me a four paragraph tribute yesterday.

Looks like it's me who's doing it right.

 

[pommpey]

Where's Sel Baki's CV?

Rodley

Another matter no one has bothered to even answer for, even back when he was 'employed' and I asked the questions why.

But don't let me go on too much about things, eh? It upsets pinchy and it might just expose United as a glorious fuck up, overseen by a glorious fuck up.

Like I say, there's an amended copy of 'Fit and Proper' waiting to be written about the last nine years.

pommpey

 

[Rodley]

Another matter no one has bothered to even answer for, even back when he was 'employed' and I asked the questions why.

But don't let me go on too much about things, eh? It upsets pinchy and it might just expose United as a glorious fuck up, overseen by a glorious fuck up.

Like I say, there's an amended copy of 'Fit and Proper' waiting to be written about the last nine years.

pommpey

And I thought you got an absolute slap down on that Pomps? My memory must be going!

 

[CopenhagenBlade]

Whereas you'll slide in a comment about the pitch apropos of nothing and away from the topic and expect it to go unresponded?

You can be snarky all you want, but you'll just end up back at square one, agreeing with me that McCabe, by hook or by crook, has to go. It's the only way this club will change it's direction and fulfil its potential. He is the common denominator throughout all of this. There's only parts of the stadium and the fans who have been with the club longer than he has and he has the power of decision making. And he is shit at it.

pommpey

But he did lead us up to the Premier League, or doesn't that count?

 

[pommpey]

And I thought you got an absolute slap down on that Pomps? My memory must be going!

No. Foxy challenged me to approach him personally. I won't do that to someone who has previously stated 'the knives do the talking'.

The only manner which I can be proven wrong is by showing exactly what his output and return was during the period of his tenure. Indeed, can anyone tell me if he is actually employed in that role still?

pommpey

 

[pommpey]

But he did lead us up to the Premier League, or doesn't that count?

Ha. And then what happened? We were hardly equipped to stay in the PL and when we went one brick thick up front when Hulse was crocked, we started to slide disastrously toward our fate. Then, to cap it all, he sackd the only bloke who could keep us in the championship and hired a pisshead.

Since then it's been regressive decay, selling talent, hiring lesser ability until we have reached grey-out.

Quite a cv, that.

Besides, if you compare one season in the sunshine with ten or twelve in the shade since he has been actively hovering about the upper echelons, it hardly warrants praise.

pommpey

 

[Sean Thornton]

Baki has never been "employed" by the club in a paid capacity.

I don't know what his role within the club was other than an adviser to the Prnce though.

 

[pommpey]

Baku has never been "employed" by the club in a paid capacity.

So what, exactly, was his role?

What benefits did he get, and what was his experience, JD and objectives and overall returns by year one?

I know I have asked this before, and all I get back is abuse. Some answers would be welcome.

pommpey

 

[Sean Thornton]

So what, exactly, was his role?

What benefits did he get, and what was his JD and Objectives?

I know I have asked this before, and all I get back is abuse. Some answers would be welcome.

pommpey

I did an edit before you posted.

 

[CopenhagenBlade]

Ha. And then what happened? We were hardly equipped to stay in the PL and when we went one brick thick up front when Hulse was crocked, we started to slide disastrously toward our fate. Then, to cap it all, he sackd the only bloke who could keep us in the championship and hired a pisshead.

Since then it's been regressive decay, selling talent, hiring lesser ability until we have reached grey-out.

Quite a cv, that.

Besides, if you compare one season in the sunshine with ten or twelve in the shade since he has been actively hovering about the upper echelons, it hardly warrants praise.

pommpey

I really don't have the time to discuss with you. I respect your opinions.
I just think that blaming McCabe for all the negative things and never giving the bloke any credit is out of order, seeing as most of that criticism comes with the benefit of hindsight.
The club may not be perfect, but at least, and with no small amount of credit to McCabe, we still have a club.
I'm sure he is more than willing to sell the club if someone pays his asking price.
UTB

 

[Sean Thornton]

He's still a director.

 

[pommpey]

I really don't have the time to discuss with you. I respect your opinions.
I just think that blaming McCabe for all the negative things and never giving the bloke any credit is out of order, seeing as most of that criticism comes with the benefit of hindsight.
The club may not be perfect, but at least, and with no small amount of credit to McCabe, we still have a club.
I'm sure he is more than willing to sell the club if someone pays his asking price.
UTB

I recognise a small portion of that, but don't agree your inference we would be a non-club if it were not for him. That is a specious understanding of what is wrong with the club. Many seem shackled to the belief that were it not for him, we would wither and die, and hey presto, we are withering and dying, right now. And we all know that he has so much of the club to himself now, a buyer would have to effectively come up with many millions more to actually buy him out and have rid of him, all for a struggling third division outfit with restless native syndrome. It's almost self-prophesising.

It's hard to recall exactly when this club had a decent, forward thinking board who would look like they want success. McCabe is the latest in a long line of people who have never failed to let us down one way or another. Its a shame, because yes, he is a Blade and yes, he is a human being, just like us. But as a chairman, which is what I am interested in, he is garbage.

Mark my words, one day someone will come in one day and buy it out, or McCabe willl take us down further and then the fans will desert the Lane in their droves, leaving him no option. Once it happens, we'll start to see some success. If you sort out the boardroom, the pitch will follow.

pommpey

 

[blade too long]

we are 2 games in

we lost 1-0 away at bolton
4 times better than last seasons opener
and drew with rochdale who beat us the last time we met
you could argue thats a sort of improvement
no its not the 6 points some expected, but surely starting from scratch means exactly that
we rebuild from the bottom up, we cant afford to buy a whole new team
we have to put it together piece by piece
and some of our fans think 2 games is long enough,,, really

renovation work like on grand designs means you find a beam or a floor thats not as good as you thought so you have to change it
rebuilding our team is very similar

we still have some planks that need replacing

 

[Sean Thornton]

I recognise a small portion of that, but don't agree your inference we would be a non-club if it were not for him. That is a specious understanding of what is wrong with the club. Many seem shackled to the belief that were it not for him, we would wither and die, and hey presto, we are withering and dying, right now. And we all know that he has so much of the club to himself now, a buyer would have to effectively come up with many millions more to actually buy him out and have rid of him, all for a struggling third division outfit with restless native syndrome. It's almost self-prophesising.

It's hard to recall exactly when this club had a decent, forward thinking board who would look like they want success. McCabe is the latest in a long line of people who have never failed to let us down one way or another. Its a shame, because yes, he is a Blade and yes, he is a human being, just like us. But as a chairman, which is what I am interested in, he is garbage.

Mark my words, one day someone will come in one day and buy it out, or McCabe willl take us down further and then the fans will desert the Lane in their droves, leaving him no option. Once it happens, we'll start to see some success. If you sort out the boardroom, the pitch will follow.

pommpey

The issue for me now is less what he's done wrong in the past, that's a given, but can he do anything about it. I believe he has all the good intentions but constant failure, bad decisions, appointments and being failed by others has put him in a position where he can't see the wood for the trees. If we carry on like this, his investment increases and even in (an unlikely) PL return in the next five years will possibly not see him get his money back.
Moving on from that is even if he drops the current asking price - whatever that may be - there doesn't appear anyone out there, the Prince, for example hasn't been able to bring anyone in. I fear we are, like Kevin McCabe, stuck between a rock and a hard place.

That last line though Pommpey, I thought.... But decided not too

 

[spongebobblade]

Even CW is at it. Has anyone any proof, or faith that McCabe will fulfil Wilder's shopping-list requirements to make good the shortcomings now patently seen in our squad? It seems to me we are trapped in this ever-regenerating cycle of optimistic speculation and wishful thinking, underpinned by a complete lack of transparency and ability for the board to supply the means. Sure, we've signed some moderately good players this summer, but none of which are fucking doozies. We all hope they'll turn it on, but it seems they are all still playing an individual game, there's still no creativity in abundance in midfield to provide chances for two proven goalscorers and the backline still has holes in it.

Don't be surprised if these gaps aren't plugged and Basham gets 35 plus starts this season in a variety of positions. I think (IIRC) he has had a couple of good games filling in at the back and one or two out wide as part of Adkins experiment with 3-5-2 last season. But he is one who should be put out to pasture now. He doesn't have it in him at this level and we can't afford to have him clogging up the starting lineup. Long by now should be razor sharp and mopping up the attempts on goal. Brayford I feel has shat his last. He's not delivering on his fee and Done has been allowed to get shit by playing him out of position, a trick even the great Wayne Rooney has suffered for.

But we'll be stuck with them, underperforming and not living up to their expectations. And I don't believe for one minute that right up to one minute before the end of the TW we will sign anyone with the capability to set our game alight. That Adams money will melt away, and unless we have some kind of miraculous epiphany down on the pitch, we'll be praying to scrape into the playoffs. It's same owd, same owd ...and that is bad for Wilder, and shit on toast for us.

pommpey

Ahh 2 games in and a great chance to go MacCabe bashing. Have you any proof MacCabe won't provide any funds for Wilders signings? No. Let's give it while the end of August eh?
Pommpey = same owd same owd

 

[CopenhagenBlade]

I recognise a small portion of that, but don't agree your inference we would be a non-club if it were not for him. That is a specious understanding of what is wrong with the club. Many seem shackled to the belief that were it not for him, we would wither and die, and hey presto, we are withering and dying, right now. And we all know that he has so much of the club to himself now, a buyer would have to effectively come up with many millions more to actually buy him out and have rid of him, all for a struggling third division outfit with restless native syndrome. It's almost self-prophesising.

It's hard to recall exactly when this club had a decent, forward thinking board who would look like they want success. McCabe is the latest in a long line of people who have never failed to let us down one way or another. Its a shame, because yes, he is a Blade and yes, he is a human being, just like us. But as a chairman, which is what I am interested in, he is garbage.

Mark my words, one day someone will come in one day and buy it out, or McCabe willl take us down further and then the fans will desert the Lane in their droves, leaving him no option. Once it happens, we'll start to see some success. If you sort out the boardroom, the pitch will follow.

pommpey

One thing that I am not saying and that is that McCabe is perfect, he has made mistakes and will continue to do so.
He was or has been forward thinking, if for example, you take the China project...linking up with a local Chinese club, to tap into the biggest untapped market in the world was incredibly forward thinking at the time. Yes it didn't work and maybe cost the club something but he tried.
On the pitch we have been unlucky, relegation from the Premier League, the Ched episode etc. He has also made mistakes, the biggest being Robson. All his other managerial appointments and sackings, I can see the reason behind them, even if I don't always agree.
His recent managerial appointments have all been widely supported, Clough, Adkins and now Wilder, they all came with strong track records but for one reason or another the first 2 failed, no fault of McCabe, both were supported enough to get out of this league. Both he got rid of, at no small cost, and now we have Wilder, who he has also backed. Especially with Clough, he gave him control of the team and he left us in the mess we had last year, not helped by Adkins.
Anyhow, it is funny that those who are most critical of McCabe, never come with anything positive or suggestions, just negativity and criticisms; McCabe is a cunt, the manager is a cunt, etc etc. It is impossible for them to give an opinion before, so much easier in hindsight.
UTB

 

[pommpey]

Ahh 2 games in and a great chance to go MacCabe bashing. Have you any proof MacCabe won't provide any funds for Wilders signings? No. Let's give it while the end of August eh?
Pommpey = same owd same owd

Okay. I'll call your bluff. By the end of August, we will see Wilder's requirements fulfilled and us occupying one of the two top spots. Yeah?

I mean, you have firm belief, based upon past behaviors, that 'MacCabe' will simply stump up and quality players will arrive in the squad to provide that talent platform we are in the habit of flogging.

Probably not.

I'll be back in two weeks or so to ask you personally why not.

pommpey

 

[pommpey]

One thing that I am not saying and that is that McCabe is perfect, he has made mistakes and will continue to do so.

I hope not. Who is being negative now?

He was or has been forward thinking, if for example, you take the China project...linking up with a local Chinese club, to tap into the biggest untapped market in the world was incredibly forward thinking at the time. Yes it didn't work and maybe cost the club something but he tried.

Yeah. Really forward thinking. Instead of investing in the club, we aligned with a sport which is considered third rate in that country. We have signed dozens of talented players from China and our brand in Chengdu has just rocketed into the stratosphere, hasn't it? Real forward thinking. I don't know who persuaded him to back that one but ... well done.

On the pitch we have been unlucky, relegation from the Premier League, the Ched episode etc. He has also made mistakes, the biggest being Robson. All his other managerial appointments and sackings, I can see the reason behind them, even if I don't always agree.

We weren't unlucky to be relegated. Had we won games we should have won we'd have stayed up. Tevez was a sideshow and McCabe ... not Sheffield United ... got the payoff. If you dispute that, please explain how much was reinvested to replace the likes of Jagielka, who left us because we were dropping through the trapdoor

His recent managerial appointments have all been widely supported, Clough, Adkins and now Wilder, they all came with strong track records but for one reason or another the first 2 failed, no fault of McCabe, both were supported enough to get out of this league. Both he got rid of, at no small cost, and now we have Wilder, who he has also backed. Especially with Clough, he gave him control of the team and he left us in the mess we had last year, not helped by Adkins.

We'll never know how much McCabe supported Weir, Clough and Adkins because they have (possibly by arrangement) remained silent both about their time in the dugout and their departure. Don't you find it strange that all three (and Wilson, Blackwell and Adams too) have continued to keep counsel on what were largely unsuccessful, almost disastrous reigns at Bramall Lane. Warnock however ...

Anyhow, it is funny that those who are most critical of McCabe, never come with anything positive or suggestions, just negativity and criticisms; McCabe is a cunt, the manager is a cunt, etc etc. It is impossible for them to give an opinion before, so much easier in hindsight.
UTB

My suggestion, for what its worth, is he starts unfucking what he has fucked. He can do this two ways:

1. Stop limiting the ambitions of successive managers to build a team capable of promotion. He could also do himself a favour by being a bit more honest with his investment, or better still, how broke we actually are despite cash inputs from cup runs and Saudi investors.
2. Start looking at stepping down, breaking up the bits he has accumulated and look for a purchaser. The football club needs new direction. It has tried managers, renewed the team and the remaining factor is him.

Neither of these will happen, mind.

And as for opinion before, I seem to recall calling for McCabe to support the ambitions of the manager to build a Championship team challenging for promotion in 2009. What's happened since then?

pommpey

 

[spongebobblade]

Okay. I'll call your bluff. By the end of August, we will see Wilder's requirements fulfilled and us occupying one of the two top spots. Yeah?

I mean, you have firm belief, based upon past behaviors, that 'MacCabe' will simply stump up and quality players will arrive in the squad to provide that talent platform we are in the habit of flogging.

Probably not.

I'll be back in two weeks or so to ask you personally why not.

pommpey

Why do we have to be top two? Why does the squad have to be complete after just 1 transfer window? Even Wilders not that stupid. If we were top two by the end of August then you would be expecting any new players to gel instantly? (Assuming they had had the chance to play) I don't have firm belief, but unlike you i'm willing to give Wilder a chance to build his own team in his own time. If MacCabe keeps his wallet welded shut and we sign nobody I'll hold my hand up and say I got it wrong but if we make signings will you hold up yours?

 

[Sean Thornton]

I hope not. Who is being negative now?



Yeah. Really forward thinking. Instead of investing in the club, we aligned with a sport which is considered third rate in that country. We have signed dozens of talented players from China and our brand in Chengdu has just rocketed into the stratosphere, hasn't it? Real forward thinking. I don't know who persuaded him to back that one but ... well done.



We weren't unlucky to be relegated. Had we won games we should have won we'd have stayed up. Tevez was a sideshow and McCabe ... not Sheffield United ... got the payoff. If you dispute that, please explain how much was reinvested to replace the likes of Jagielka, who left us because we were dropping through the trapdoor



We'll never know how much McCabe supported Weir, Clough and Adkins because they have (possibly by arrangement) remained silent both about their time in the dugout and their departure. Don't you find it strange that all three (and Wilson, Blackwell and Adams too) have continued to keep counsel on what were largely unsuccessful, almost disastrous reigns at Bramall Lane. Warnock however ...



My suggestion, for what its worth, is he starts unfucking what he has fucked. He can do this two ways:

1. Stop limiting the ambitions of successive managers to build a team capable of promotion. He could also do himself a favour by being a bit more honest with his investment, or better still, how broke we actually are despite cash inputs from cup runs and Saudi investors.
2. Start looking at stepping down, breaking up the bits he has accumulated and look for a purchaser. The football club needs new direction. It has tried managers, renewed the team and the remaining factor is him.

Neither of these will happen, mind.

And as for opinion before, I seem to recall calling for McCabe to support the ambitions of the manager to build a Championship team challenging for promotion in 2009. What's happened since then?

pommpey

So basically he continues to pump millions in?

It hasn't worked in the past, why should it work now under his leadership?

 

[CopenhagenBlade]

I hope not. Who is being negative now?
Childish comment. Of course he will make mistakes because everyone does, even you.


Yeah. Really forward thinking. Instead of investing in the club, we aligned with a sport which is considered third rate in that country. We have signed dozens of talented players from China and our brand in Chengdu has just rocketed into the stratosphere, hasn't it? Real forward thinking. I don't know who persuaded him to back that one but ... well done.

As I wrote, the bloke tried and he failed. It could have worked and we would now be one fucking big step ahead of everyone else in the biggest market in the world. A league that is throwing huge amounts of money around, but it didn't work, for all sorts of reasons

We weren't unlucky to be relegated. Had we won games we should have won we'd have stayed up. Tevez was a sideshow and McCabe ... not Sheffield United ... got the payoff. If you dispute that, please explain how much was reinvested to replace the likes of Jagielka, who left us because we were dropping through the trapdoor

I'll tell you who I blame for relegation, your mate Neil, who lost his bottle and proved himself out of his depth at that level. And WHU should have been deducted points and should have been relegated
Maybe McCabe did get the money, still a drop in the ocean to what he has lost in the club.

We'll never know how much McCabe supported Weir, Clough and Adkins because they have (possibly by arrangement) remained silent both about their time in the dugout and their departure. Don't you find it strange that all three (and Wilson, Blackwell and Adams too) have continued to keep counsel on what were largely unsuccessful, almost disastrous reigns at Bramall Lane. Warnock however ...

So now all these managers have taken a pact of silence? OK, but why would someone like Clough do that?

My suggestion, for what its worth, is he starts unfucking what he has fucked. He can do this two ways:

1. Stop limiting the ambitions of successive managers to build a team capable of promotion. He could also do himself a favour by being a bit more honest with his investment, or better still, how broke we actually are despite cash inputs from cup runs and Saudi investors.
2. Start looking at stepping down, breaking up the bits he has accumulated and look for a purchaser. The football club needs new direction. It has tried managers, renewed the team and the remaining factor is him.

Neither of these will happen, mind.
Thanks for these. I think he has supported the managers within a limit but Clough especially, pissed away a lot of money on old cronies and crocks

And as for opinion before, I seem to recall calling for McCabe to support the ambitions of the manager to build a Championship team challenging for promotion in 2009. What's happened since then?

pommpey

 

[Sean Thornton]

McCabe didn't get the money. It paid off bank borrowings run up in the Robson debacle. It's in the accounts notes.