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Messy. Really don’t trust the Prince’s intentions and not particularly fond of our club being connected to the Saudi royal family.

Hope McCabe manages to see him off in court. He’s made some awful decisions in his time with us, but I don’t doubt his intentions.

Don’t think this bodes well for January.


"Don’t think this bodes well for January"

This is the issue when quite a few think we'll be splashing millions in the JTW. Despite the boardroom battle, despite disappointing past dealings that are pointed out time and time again some could be setting themselves up for a fall.

One minute the club is being run by idiots, the next, these idiots are expected to splash the cash, when no one knows what we have anyway.
 

if anyone can get us there this man can,if we don't get there with him it will be squarely down to the lack of investment from above .

if they don't back him and eventually he goes we'll be well and truly bolloxed for ever more.
 
Buying players is always a gamble, but that doesn't mean you should use it as an excuse to not do it.
It's not got us very far in the past has it ?

We don't need to go mad, I'm sure that Wilder can find a younger player of quality to do a similar job to Duffy for £3 million and share his role until Duffy cannot do it anymore. A younger striker that can come in and give Sharp and Clarke a rest for about the same money.

If we spent £6 million in January on two players, one for each of those positions I'd be happy. It might not work, but there's a good chance it will because it's Wilder who's buying them. He should be allowed to take his list of tick boxes and shop a little bit further up the quality ladder.
As long as Wilder signs the players who tick all the right boxes as far as ability and attitude are concerned and doesn't sign players just for the sake of getting extra bodies in it will be ok and the money won't be wasted.
 
Stuff like this makes it all the worse when he leaves because we haven't got any money/neither owner is willing to gamble more (I know they've funded keeping the club afloat blah, blah, blah).

We've got a sizable transfer surplus. We'll have an even bigger one next year if we don't go up

And yes I know I'm a pessimistic, miserable twat :D I'm just trying to enjoy this season as much as I can

Hopefully there squabble is a good thing and either McCabe or the prince can sell us or pump some proper money in
 
The really important thing with articles like this, combined with us managing to stay in the top 2 or 3 until Christmas, is that the players with the character that we want will want to come and play for us (Tufty).

There aren’t many bosses quite like him as a manager, let alone as a football strategist - if there is a good possibility of combining him as your boss with going with us into the Prem, then real football guys will look beyond just going to the highest bidder.

You can really feel the magic growing - and I’m now ignoring past disappointments - the past is just that.

The really important thing with articles like this, combined with us managing to stay in the top 2 or 3 until Christmas, is that the players with the character that we want will want to come and play for us (Tufty).

There aren’t many bosses quite like him as a manager, let alone as a football strategist - if there is a good possibility of combining him as your boss with going with us into the Prem, then real football guys will look beyond just going to the highest bidder.

You can really feel the magic growing - and I’m now ignoring past disappointments - the past is just that.

Quite glad you double posted here...meant I could like it twice ;)
 
Only thing Id say is if we don't go up this year I think there's at least a 50/50 chance we lose Wilder, Fleck and JOC. Which is why January is so important.

Whichever of Stoke, West Brom, Forest, Boro (if they dont go up)and whoever comes down most wants a new manager may well be in for Wilder

They might be 'in for Wilder' but I doubt if he'd be interested in them.

CW is universally loved here and I can't see that changing - even if we were relegated. Similar to Bassett, we Blades know a straight-talking, honest guy who gives his all. We stood by Bassett when we went down. WTF is the 'attraction' of Stoke? West Brom? Middlesbrough? He would be on a hiding to nothing from fans who have a Wednesday-esque sense of entitlement. A few bad results and they'd blame their boards for 'lack of ambition', 'looking at the cheap option' etc. Forest have a Chansiri-type owner who would want a say in every transfer or team selection.

As for money, I doubt if that motivates CW that much - I don't think he's built that way. He loves Sheffield, his kids are settled at school and he can always jump in his car and be in the Peak District in half an hour. Money can't buy that, especially at the clubs mentioned - every day would be grief in one way or another.

The Times article is great but there's nothing in that which surprises me. I was out with a Spurs fan yesterday and we got talking about CW. I told him that, a few days after CW was appointed, I was walking down John Street one midweek lunchtime. CW happened to walk past me (probably heading for the chippy on Shoreham Street?). He looked at me, I looked at him and we both gave a half-smile. There's not many clubs where that would happen.

But i always say the horrible side of football. Is if ranieri can lose & get under pressure after 3 months. Then no one is safe

Plastic team, plastic fans, plastic clackers. We've been through the mill in the last few years. How many of the glory-seeking Leicester fans would have stuck through that?
 
They might be 'in for Wilder' but I doubt if he'd be interested in them.

CW is universally loved here and I can't see that changing - even if we were relegated. Similar to Bassett, we Blades know a straight-talking, honest guy who gives his all. We stood by Bassett when we went down. WTF is the 'attraction' of Stoke? West Brom? Middlesbrough? He would be on a hiding to nothing from fans who have a Wednesday-esque sense of entitlement. A few bad results and they'd blame their boards for 'lack of ambition', 'looking at the cheap option' etc. Forest have a Chansiri-type owner who would want a say in every transfer or team selection.

As for money, I doubt if that motivates CW that much - I don't think he's built that way. He loves Sheffield, his kids are settled at school and he can always jump in his car and be in the Peak District in half an hour. Money can't buy that, especially at the clubs mentioned - every day would be grief in one way or another.

The Times article is great but there's nothing in that which surprises me. I was out with a Spurs fan yesterday and we got talking about CW. I told him that, a few days after CW was appointed, I was walking down John Street one midweek lunchtime. CW happened to walk past me (probably heading for the chippy on Shoreham Street?). He looked at me, I looked at him and we both gave a half-smile. There's not many clubs where that would happen.



Plastic team, plastic fans, plastic clackers. We've been through the mill in the last few years. How many of the glory-seeking Leicester fans would have stuck through that?
I hope you're right. But I get the feeling he's deeply ambitious. I think he wants what people like Dyche and Howe have. A fair crack at the top table
 
"Don’t think this bodes well for January"

This is the issue when quite a few think we'll be splashing millions in the JTW. Despite the boardroom battle, despite disappointing past dealings that are pointed out time and time again some could be setting themselves up for a fall.

One minute the club is being run by idiots, the next, these idiots are expected to splash the cash, when no one knows what we have anyway.

" No-one knows what we have anyway". What is concerning is that CW may not know this either at the moment.

You have to hope that whilst they were sat in their separate rooms passing notes to the mediator they at least came to an agreement on how the Club was to be funded for the rest of the season including funds for the JTW.
 
"Don’t think this bodes well for January"

This is the issue when quite a few think we'll be splashing millions in the JTW. Despite the boardroom battle, despite disappointing past dealings that are pointed out time and time again some could be setting themselves up for a fall.

One minute the club is being run by idiots, the next, these idiots are expected to splash the cash, when no one knows what we have anyway.

I don’t “think” we’ll be doing anything of the sort. I never expect much investment from our board, I don’t remember our boards ever “splashing millions.”

What I meant, if it wasn’t clear, is that it doesn’t bode well for my hope that for once they might!
 
I don’t “think” we’ll be doing anything of the sort. I never expect much investment from our board, I don’t remember our boards ever “splashing millions.”

What I meant, if it wasn’t clear, is that it doesn’t bode well for my hope that for once they might!


Quite a few didn't include you.
 
Just published online, so maybe in tomorrow's edition?

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/...d-united-players-100-for-some-beers-mlhmmgzxd

A few days ago, Chris Wilder caught a bus. As it pulled away, the driver glanced at his unexpected passenger in astonishment. “What are you doing?” he said. “You can’t do this.” He can and did. “I needed to pop into town, the stop’s on my doorstep and it’s better than getting caught in traffic,” Wilder says. “I quite like the bus.” It is a small anecdote which unpeels Sheffield United’s manager to translucency.

Wilder is a Sheffield man, a Blade man. A ballboy, supporter and player for the club he now leads, he has made a habit of melding the ordinary to the extraordinary. After six years in Sky Bet League One, his team were promoted in his first season back at Bramall Lane and they now stand top of the Championship, operating on a limited budget, beset by challenges, raw and ferocious, normal and abnormal.

This is where Wilder excels. His route to this point has been arduous, but the experience shapes him. He knows what it is like to go unpaid, to have cheques bounce, to have his credit card declined. Football will never be ‘a project’ to him. “That’s all bullshit,” he says. “I couldn’t talk like that with the lads I have a pint with on a Sunday afternoon. I don’t spin. They’d just see straight through me.”

Fans adore their connection to Wilder, his lack of artifice. “We play in a modern way and the players get as much as anybody in terms of technology and modern thinking,” Wilder says. “It annoys you sometimes; we played three at the back before Chelsea. At the same time, if they pull out of a tackle, they’re getting smashed. If they don’t run around, they’re getting smashed. We’re real.”

Wilder describes it as the “human touch,” but it is natural, too. Appointed in the summer of 2016, he became Sheffield United’s eighth permanent manager in six years. His first four games? No victories and a defeat to Crewe Alexandra in the EFL Cup. His fifth was at Millwall, the numbness of an 89th-minute penalty and another defeat. They were not playing badly, “but it mounts and the pressure grows,” Wilder says.

He looked around the dressing room. “I’ve been in the game since I was 16 and you can’t kid me,” he says. “I knew the players were putting everything into it. They were hurting. They just needed a break. Back on the coach, we passed a shop close to Millwall, we stopped, I pulled £100 out of my back pocket and said ‘get some beers, boys’. I think a few of them were taken aback.”

It propelled them forward; Sheffield United went 15 league games unbeaten. “I quite like those moments when people are looking at you,” Wilder says. “I was back at my hometown club, no wins, my head on the block, my bollocks. Sometimes it’s enjoyable when things aren’t going right and people doubt you, when there’s a minefield to get through. You stick your chest out and show what you’re about. That’s what I want in my players.”

His history at the club helped. Advised by Paul, his father, he had turned his local club down as a kid, joining Southampton as a trainee, but when he was released at 19 and his “world caved in,” Sheffield United still wanted him. Neither of his two spells as a defender there were wholly blissful — “I didn’t play as many games as I would have liked,” and “heart over head,” respectively, he says — but there were promotions and insight and relationships.

“I still knew people at the offices, the club shop, the academy, the training ground, when I joined as manager,” Wilder says. “It gave me an understanding about what was happening and what supporters were craving. People might ask ‘is that a big issue’, but, yeah, it is. Certain teams have a . . . I don’t like the phrase, but a DNA, a vision of how they want to play.

“Everybody wants their players to run around. Every fan wants their players to compete. But a ball over the top at Sheffield United, getting chased down by a centre forward and the centre half kicking it out of play, would probably get a bigger cheer than a Cruyff turn on the halfway line. I knew what a powerful tool it could be to get them onside. At its loudest and most vibrant, Bramall Lane is hostile. That’s what we’ve tried to recreate.”

His roots at the stadium amplify joy and despair. “It feels bigger when you win, although whoever I’ve worked for, I’ve thrown myself into it,” Wilder says. “I don’t know any manager who doesn’t feel the pain of defeat or the elation of winning. But there isn’t any escape here. At home, you can be in the room but not there. You drift. My wife looks at me and says ‘you’ve got footballs in your coconut’. That’s how she’s puts it. Just got to keep winning, haven’t I?”

All things considered, he is pretty good at it, although his path has not been strewn with rose petals. Management began at Alfreton Town, then continued with Halifax Town, newly relegated from the Football League. “Where do you start?” Wilder says. “We didn’t have any training kit, no balls, no players, no staff, no pre-season fixtures. There was nothing there. Nothing at all. But you could shape it.”

He stayed for six years, taking them into the play-offs, but Halifax were liquidated in 2008. Existence had been perilous. “We were getting wage deferrals at Christmas, coaches not turning up for away games, the training ground not getting paid for,” Wilder says. “We’d give out cheques to players and there would be a mad rush to get them cleared because if you left it until the late afternoon, there was a possibility they’d bounce.

“I had times when my credit card was declined at the supermarket. I never earned enough money as a player to say, ‘yeah, that’s me done’. You’ve got to deal with it. Other people in my family have been through stuff like that, plenty do. I’ve no divine right. You get on with it. I don’t want to be too deep about it, but it’s like when people go on strike. What do they do? Do they cave in or do they keep going?

“It was survival more than anything. You don’t look any further ahead than that. But there’s a great saying: tough times don’t last forever, but tough people do and I had a real good upbringing as a kid. I had the disappointment of being released, but I got myself a career out of football. Disappointment is what happens to you. Halifax was tough, but it was also a brilliant experience.”

There were another six years at Oxford United, a promotion out of the National League, and then two at Northampton Town, where they rose to League One. More financial turmoil. “The players were okay because the PFA backed them, but the staff weren’t getting paid, the person in the club shop wasn’t getting paid, the secretary and the commercial manager,” Wilder says.

“I didn’t get paid for three months and that was difficult, but you just live life accordingly and get on with it. I’d had first-hand experience, but you tell yourself it’s very rare that clubs die these days and you hope that things sort themselves out, which they did. We didn’t lose any money.”

By comparison, Sheffield United is a doddle, although there are complications which cloud the club’s present and future. A dispute between Kevin McCabe and Prince Abdullah Bin Mosaad Bin Abdulaziz Al Saud, who each own 50 per cent of the club, will be resolved in court, which has had repercussions in terms of funding and team strengthening. It is a remarkable situation for a club which has designs on the Premier League.

“I’m sure both owners would say for something like this to be settled in a courtroom is not ideal,” Wilder says. “It’s something I can’t do anything about. It doesn’t impact my job on a daily basis, but it impacts the club’s direction. Planning and structures have to be put on hold. It doesn’t stop us wanting to win games and there’s a saying in Sheffield about trying to get a pint out of a half-pint pot.

“It will be interesting to see what happens in the lead up to January, to see what the attitude will be. Me and supporters would say ‘there’s a pot there at the end worth £190 million’, but it ain’t my dough or my decision. I’d like us to be a bit more ambitious and for those differences to be sorted out, but If that’s not the case, we’ll give it our best shot.”

He has already secured one promotion. “It was absolutely amazing, for myself and for the family,” he says. “We knew we were up with six games to go and still won all those games. It was outstanding. Was I surprised? Yes, because we were probably half-cut we’d been out that many times! It was an achievement that they managed to get their boots on and run around. Every time they were out, I was out, too.”

At 51, Wilder has signed a new contract. It “couldn’t get any better,” than reaching the Premier League with his club, although he is conscious that he is unlikely “to be here for ten or 15 years. I don’t think that happens now. I’m just trying to maximise it as much as possible while I’m here.” Can they do it? “A hell of a lot of things have to go right for us,” he says. “If we do, it would be incredible.” And definitely worth another bus journey, this time open-top.
the legend grows..
 
i wonder if since he seems somewhat contrarian to the modern day football manager in terms of money, press clichés, methods etc...might we just get that long tenure of 10-15 years. wouldn't it be bloody great to get some consistency and know what we have at BDTBL rather than the turmoil of the late 1990's and the 2000's...
 
Very true. He is here as long as he wants as he is doing stunning job to be top of the league with what i (lovingly) call a bunch a misfits. As you look at Henderson O'Connell Duffy Mcgoldrick Clarke freeman Coutts Norwood we brought in. Because the clubs didnt want. Or more than happy to sell. If he gets 2 promotions in 3 years then that guy deserves a statue

But i always say the horrible side of football. Is if ranieri can lose & get under pressure after 3 months. Then no one is safe
i’ve said this before but he reminds me a lot of clough senior .. before shilton and francis joined the forest team were nobodies, i’d never heard of any of them (anderson? birtles? woodcock?) washed up pros like burns and lloyd ..possibly with the exception of mcgovern
remind you of anyone?
 
£1 a ticket. If we position a man outside every turnstile at Hillsborough on match day we should bring in close to what we received for Brooks I’d have thought?
You are a little conservative with your numbers morgs.
Such an exercise would clear the national debt, fund the NHS until 5020 and leave every man, woman and child lighting cigars wi' fivers.
UTB.
 

Messy. Really don’t trust the Prince’s intentions and not particularly fond of our club being connected to the Saudi royal family.

Hope McCabe manages to see him off in court. He’s made some awful decisions in his time with us, but I don’t doubt his intentions.

Don’t think this bodes well for January.

I don’t trust either of the two fuckers both of them are in it for themselves
 
i’ve said this before but he reminds me a lot of clough senior .. before shilton and francis joined the forest team were nobodies, i’d never heard of any of them (anderson? birtles? woodcock?) washed up pros like burns and lloyd ..possibly with the exception of mcgovern
remind you of anyone?


Derby manager?
 
What sort of pretentious newspaper makes you physically register, just to read it online?
 
He regrets not having played more games for the Blades - he should have; he was a bloody good defender and, unlike lots of defenders these days, not afraid to put a tackle in in the penalty area. He was quick and brave, and had no respect for opposition reputations. If he went to ground he was back on his feet faster than any other player I've ever seen (apart from Kyle Walker maybe!) and you know damn well he expects the same commitment from his players now as Blades manager. Best manager since John Harris bar none.
 
I don’t trust either of the two fuckers both of them are in it for themselves

You don't think McCabe has done anything for our club?

Investment-wise, the McCabe family has committed more family silver to United than every previous owner, combined, in the club’s entire history. In 2016, McCabe suggested this amounted to around £90million, so today’s figure is presumably closer to £100million.

Read more at: https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/foo...-to-protect-his-bramall-lane-legacy-1-8977679

Or you think he should have done more.
 
The guy who wrote it doesn’t work for free, why should it be free to read? :)

TBF, I'd rather pay a subscription fee over getting all the crazy pop-up shit/full-page advertising/enforced registration/full-page surveys/browser crashing bullshit The Star has going on.

(I know you're not in charge of monetising your website, but you do seem to spend far too much energy on defending a failing business model, which makes you fair game IMHO - I'd chose either The Guardian's donation model or The Times' subscription model over the craziness you have going on at The Star every day of the week! I just refuse to engage with The Star at all: I occasionally accidentally click on a link when I forget what a shit website it is, and regret it every time, and I'm absolutely NOT blaming the content!).
 
You don't think McCabe has done anything for our club?

Investment-wise, the McCabe family has committed more family silver to United than every previous owner, combined, in the club’s entire history. In 2016, McCabe suggested this amounted to around £90million, so today’s figure is presumably closer to £100million.

Read more at: https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/foo...-to-protect-his-bramall-lane-legacy-1-8977679

Or you think he should have done more.


You might get to £100m if you include the loss making and devalued hotel. The accounts for BL/SUFC are due soon and the SUL have just been filed. Together, these show around £70m in shares and loans.

The rent charged by SUL for the ground etc, was £335k.
 
and I'm absolutely NOT blaming the content!

That post came across a little more hostile than I intended. What I was trying to say Danny04, is that I enjoy reading your articles. I just wish it was published on a platform that didn't require me to register/fill in survey/click an advert/restart my browser/etc/etc.
 
You might get to £100m if you include the loss making and devalued hotel. The accounts for BL/SUFC are due soon and the SUL have just been filed. Together, these show around £70m in shares and loans.

The rent charged by SUL for the ground etc, was £335k.

@Danny04's article I'm only the messenger.
 
@Danny04's article I'm only the messenger.


Isn't it Peter Beebys column? He's just added £10m onto McCabes figure. The hotel losses shouldn't, IMO be included in the football related activities when analysing the investment.
 
You might get to £100m if you include the loss making and devalued hotel. The accounts for BL/SUFC are due soon and the SUL have just been filed. Together, these show around £70m in shares and loans.

The rent charged by SUL for the ground etc, was £335k.
Sean, could you remind how the hotel became loss making again? I’m sure it was touted as foolproof as whoever took it on, in the end it was Copthorne, we’re due to pay a fixed rent (to the club) regardless of occupancy. Then after a year the club sold it for a quid and another chunk of club property is sliced off to the McCabes (like the enterprise centre).

I remember an issue with the cost of building it and FFP leading to the sale but I don’t think it’s loss making. Apart from the the footy club who have it dominating the ground on that side and see no benefit.
 
Sean, could you remind how the hotel became loss making again? I’m sure it was touted as foolproof as whoever took it on, in the end it was Copthorne, we’re due to pay a fixed rent (to the club) regardless of occupancy. Then after a year the club sold it for a quid and another chunk of club property is sliced off to the McCabes (like the enterprise centre).

I remember an issue with the cost of building it and FFP leading to the sale but I don’t think it’s loss making. Apart from the the footy club who have it dominating the ground on that side and see no benefit.


Copthorne run the hotel and are paid for doing so. After a promising opening, it's made losses pretty much every year. See the accounts. It's also been devalued on the bricks and mortar front.

I don't think FFP had anything to do with it. McCabe took the hoteland the equivalent amount of debt with it and funds the losses himself. He didn't "buy it for a pound" This protected the football club.

What makes you think it's not loss making?
 
TBF, I'd rather pay a subscription fee over getting all the crazy pop-up shit/full-page advertising/enforced registration/full-page surveys/browser crashing bullshit The Star has going on.

(I know you're not in charge of monetising your website, but you do seem to spend far too much energy on defending a failing business model, which makes you fair game IMHO - I'd chose either The Guardian's donation model or The Times' subscription model over the craziness you have going on at The Star every day of the week! I just refuse to engage with The Star at all: I occasionally accidentally click on a link when I forget what a shit website it is, and regret it every time, and I'm absolutely NOT blaming the content!).
Not sure how an opinion on The Guardian’s registration process equates to defending The Star but okay - the same question applies though. To read information for free, that costs real money to produce, why is clicking ‘skip survey’ in a pop up too much effort?
No-one will disagree about the adverts, although it’s a bit like criticising the shop floor staff at Tesco when the CEO bumps up the prices.
(But this thread isn’t about journalism and I can quickly see it descending. Might be worth one in general chat? We might all learn something!)
 

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