Time to sack Wilder

[lepton blade]

Thank God that ordeal is over. It’s been horrible this year and the writing was well on the wall before Wilder returned to take over a job that literally no one else in their right mind would have taken.
“Sack Wilder” is a laughable knee-jerk reaction and can someone on here explain some basic business concepts so that everyone knows that “sacking the board” is the most ridiculous and futile statement?
Teams get promoted and teams get relegated, it’s football and it’s happened to us a lot. Why anyone will miss being in this league next year, God only knows.

 

[prescotblade]

I don’t think Wilder going anywhere. It’s okay shouting sack him, but who do we get in has his replacement. Under this present ownership we are going to have to push for promotion, from a financial position. So suspect more of the same. Unless there is a three season target to build a team and then push for promotion.

 

[Nelson1889]

The team is not good enough, that a given. But the whole thing about getting wilder back in was that he was a motivator who'd get the players pissing blood for the badge.

Not seen a single sign of that after the first 3 or 4 games when he came back. If anything the moral and effort is probably worse than it was before he came in. It's certainly no better.

If he can't get a team motivated to give their all at St James, anfield, etihad etc what chance has he got at Loftus Road or the bet365?

He's too slow to change things, he's got little to no tactical nouse beyond going from 352 to 442 and then back again and his subs are beyond shit.

Best chance we've got to reset is this summer, plenty out of contract and a weaker championship to this seasons.

 

[Le Cynique]

What actually does progressive mean? It's a nonsense term. We were very attacking today and could/should have scored many goals. I didn't want Wilder back. However, you have to be fair and today highlighted the gulf in quality in both boxes. To play very well and more than match Newcastle first half, only to be blown away, is testament to how good the standard of this league is.

Progressive would be trying new things, rather than relying on the same things each time despite them consistently failing.

Thing is, he was progressive at one point. He pioneered a new way of playing and built a team that could follow his and Knill’s instructions and tactics to great success. Somehow he lost his mojo and became embittered, obsessive about weird “projects” (like rehabilitating the likes of Rodwell and Morrison) and prone to blaming everyone but himself.

I wish we could get Wilder mk1 back, but that ship has sailed and the new version is just not a very good manager sadly.

 

[bakeblade]

He shouldn’t have come back, there’s no denying that.

I 100% blame the ownership for this season though. Failed to prepare from the offset, sold our two best players a week before the season started. The team we had the first game was an embarrassment.

Laroucci is absolutely terrible, if you don’t rate Norwood then fair enough but like I said he’s not the reason we’ve been relegated & he’s been regularly fit/ has a lot of experience. If we had a fully fit squad & better options then Norwood wouldn’t be in the squad. We don’t so he is, I’d also have him in my squad under the circumstances as there’s no one else. Sticking the kids in to this environment could ruin their confidence. You can see that happening to Brooks already.

You’re mistaken that I’m a Wilder fan. I’m a realist and can see our squad and it’s absolutely awful. What’s happening every week isn’t surprising & that’s a lack of investment from the offset.

I also don't rate Larouici, however I thought he had a good game against Brentford.
I'd have kept him in for the last 2 games and kept little Ben in midfield with Hamer and Arblaster.

 

[HOT CURRIE 10]

Can’t believe some of you Wilder supporters come on here still believing in him. Everything about his management is a cooked goose. Some of you keep saying’Guardiola couldn’t make anything of this squad’ I hate to say it but someone across the city has made a hopeless sack of shit players who belonged in league 2 on the cusp of escaping from certain relegation. It doesn’t matter how you get out, having the knowledge to get there and try different systems to suit leaves our manager with the dunce cap. He’s yesterday’s chip paper.

 

[georgebernardshaw]

I have no problem with that opinion.

I personally don’t think it’s enough making Arblaster captain if you’re going to surround him with dross and play tactics that just lead to drubbings every week. I wouldn’t blame him in the slightest for wanting to play for someone more progressive.

He’s not going to surround him with dross, he’s got no alternative because we’re well stocked with dross, thanks to the owner’s fag packet calculations.

 

[OLDBLADE43]

Get the useless cunt sacked

Sorry but you can't sack an owner

 

[Sean Thornton]

What would you want the plan to be.

We have 10 players who are mid table championship standard…. You want a miracle

And at the end a manager whose tactics and selections made it look as if he wrote the players names on bits of paper and drew them out of a hat.

The clown he kept in goal and his reliance on a sub with no legs and little desire - who should have gone in the summer - despite the same issues occurring every time he came on. What was his thought process? Neither worked yet he stuck with it.

 

[Valley Blade]

Progressive would be trying new things, rather than relying on the same things each time despite them consistently failing.

Thing is, he was progressive at one point. He pioneered a new way of playing and built a team that could follow his and Knill’s instructions and tactics to great success. Somehow he lost his mojo and became embittered, obsessive about weird “projects” (like rehabilitating the likes of Rodwell and Morrison) and prone to blaming everyone but himself.

I wish we could get Wilder mk1 back, but that ship has sailed and the new version is just not a very good manager sadly.

Good points and I wish the same. Trouble is we don't have the same standard of players as last time. We had many players at their peak. Only Arblaster would challenge for a place in 2019 side. We need mentally tougher players and better quality. Championship should be a lot easier to get the required standard in for that league.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

We could take Hecky on as a defensive coach.

 

[Mario1889]

Absolute state of some of the fans coming on here and sticking up for Wilder.

Some fans will accept any old rubbish.

 

[petcharlie]

I think it's obvious the players don't have the gas to last even 70 minutes int the premier league. Sacking wilder won't change that

I agree the best manager in the prem could not get a tune out of this lot of players .Lets face it the previous manager worked a bloody miracle getting promoted ,we scraped through largely due to a player we sold who we needed in the prem to have any hope of staying there . The rot was already there before a ball was kicked in the new season .No matter who the manager is it won't get any better until we have a new owner . The whole playing staff want replacing apart from a couple may be three and because we have an owner who tells us he is skint no manager is going to succeed .Why these people want to own a football club knowing they have not got the funds to run it is beyond me ,our man did not settle for one club he wanted three . Must be a nutter . The managers job at the Lane must be one of the most frustrating in football .

 

[Valley Blade]

Can’t believe some of you Wilder supporters come on here still believing in him. Everything about his management is a cooked goose. Some of you keep saying’Guardiola couldn’t make anything of this squad’ I hate to say it but someone across the city has made a hopeless sack of shit players who belonged in league 2 on the cusp of escaping from certain relegation. It doesn’t matter how you get out, having the knowledge to get there and try different systems to suit leaves our manager with the dunce cap. He’s yesterday’s chip paper.

But the players in that league are much of a muchness. The gap between our players and most of the premier league is immense. Man City against United or Leicester against Wednesday. Where's the biggest gap in quality?

 

[steve26272]

He reminds me of that mid 40year old woman that struts round the nightclubs thinking she can pull a 20 yr old bloke like she did, but is quite clearly past it and needs to accept she’s past it and go to bingo at local wmc.

Time waits for no one, but he’s so far out of date it’s embarrassing, like rovvrum taking Steve Evan’s back, actually make a good couple of bed fellows bemoaning all these new tactics and science over a pint and a pie

 

[TJ blade]

Probably won't get sacked, likely to be here until the prince is out.
but he may leave again, we can only hope.

 

[JohnDenver]

Please correct me if I'm wrong but I thought Wilder's contract was nominally 18 months , but only the first 6 months was guaranteed and it could be terminated without prejudice at 6 months ?

I don’t know about his contract. What I was intending to say was that if we get a new owner, then an absolute clean sweep is a no brainer.

But in the current circs, I’m not too distressed with Wilder being executioner as he knows exactly who has the right mentality. If we did what we did last time, and get someone like Slav, then second chances will be handed out. Oli Burke up front redux.

 

[petcharlie]

I dont think wilder is the problem. Hecky couldn't get a tune out of this team either.

We've gone down the paupers route, begged and borrowed the dregs of "premiership" players and signed championship players. We don't have players good enough to stay up, we can't and won't spend the money, whoever manages needs to get by rather than compete.

Although I can't forgive wilder or anyone else for getting Holgate on loan, he's a complete fraud of a footballer and belongs in Sunday league.

We sack wilder... then what?

SPOT ON

 

[CarlMcBlade]

That’s the scenario where sacking him makes sense. But it needs .

Yeah, what’s the point in sacking him now when 99% of new owners usually install their own managers anyway…Just for a miracle

 

[JohnDenver]

Yeah, what’s the point in sacking him now when 99% of new owners usually install their own managers anyway…Just for a miracle

Another good point. If there’s any chance of a takeover, it points to keeping Wilder until it’s done.

If there’s no chance of a takeover, then…. Urghhh….

 

[west_yorks_blade]

I was really sorry to see him go with the first time around, and didn’t agree with the abuse he got for ‘sneaking out of the back door’.

But he shouldn’t have come back. It just hasn’t worked and I would be quite happy to see the back of him.

However, he is a symptom not the cause. The cause is our absentee owner who sold us down the river at the start of the season, even though he must’ve known that would reduce the asking price for the club that he desperately wants to get rid of.

I really wish that he, snaky, and all the rest of his dubious and sleazy entourage would just go away.

 

[Rodley]

I don’t get this idea that we’re somehow going to now free fall through the divisions because our championship squad can’t compete at the top level.

We’re not good enough for the Prem, we are good enough for the championship.

Now we’re playing the pigs too I want someone in charge who can get them fired up for these games, instead of meekly feeding off scraps from the big boys table.

We don’t have a team let alone a squad mate, so I’m unsure who you are judging as good enough. We’ve currently got Gary Sinclair pencilled in as Acting Head of Recruitment / backup keeper.

 

[247Blade]

He picks the team with these drubbings what credibility has he? Yesterday's hero turned Judas wants to go ASAP. Before you ask no I don't know who! Could it have been any worse sticking with Hecky till end of season?

 

[Bladeslife]

Please correct me if I'm wrong but I thought Wilder's contract was nominally 18 months , but only the first 6 months was guaranteed and it could be terminated without prejudice at 6 months ?

No it was a an 18 month contract fully guaranteed. Still needs to be payed off if terminated. The only source that reported what you said was an unofficial source

 

[Stretch]

Best we can hope for next season is finishing 20th.

Comedy post.

 

[Tezza1889]

This thread is unbelievable!!

How the hell do so many people not realise that the fault for this shitshow lies with The Prince.

It’s not Wilder, Slav or Hecky who have caused this seasons absolute disaster! For me The Prince is getting away Scot free with this. He’s a joke of an owner, defaulted in 8.5 million of payments to other clubs, leading to a 2 point deduction next season. On top of selling Berge & Ndiaye the week before the season started. And bizarrely allowing players contracts to run down in the belief that they play better in the last year of their contracts!

This is all on the owner. Even Pep G & Sir Alex would have no chance with this ownership!

It's a fucking stupid thread...

We knew at the start we had fuck all chance, I wanted hecky to stay all season mainly as a reward for the great job of achieving promotion under the circumstances last year, he deserved the full season..

However the owner decided to can him, that's his choice, wilder coming back was a really terribly kept secret, especially when he was spotted at the airport by Northampton fans and he was flying off to see Prince Abdulla, think hecky is bitter and rightly so..

The problem clearly rests with the prince in my opinion.. he has taken us as far as he can, but then had to carry on as he's not got a buyer, he's been honest and said he didn't have the money..so I give him credit for telling a lot of truths, but he needs to cut his losses and go.

Anyway, glad its confirmed, fuck the bent league, rigged for the top teams..

We needed a reset anyway as the core of the team are aging, and we need to do a bit of tidying up with some of the fucking limpets that have attached themselves to the club...we all know who the wage stealing cunts are I won't name

Let's look up..eh wilder did a great job of building last time and looking like those cap ends are staying up, I wouldn't want any other manager next season for those 2 games..

Edit: the prospect of smashing them again is worth the relegation today..

UTB

 

[Sean Thornton]

Comedy post.

You ought to see his itk posts……

 

[Bladezz]

And at the end a manager whose tactics and selections made it look as if he wrote the players names on bits of paper and drew them out of a hat.

The clown he kept in goal and his reliance on a sub with no legs and little desire - who should have gone in the summer - despite the same issues occurring every time he came on. What was his thought process? Neither worked yet he stuck with it.

We were crap with any tactic and selections. We have tried all of them 4/5 at the back different players. Dropped goalkeepers and defenders. There’s no magical solution within the squad.

We tried bringing him on, didn’t work.

We don’t bring him on… still concede loads.

Stuck with Wes…. Didn’t work

Changed Wes for Grbic… didn’t work.

Think anyone with an unbiased view would see pretty clearly we aren’t good enough.

Conceding 100 goals isn’t down to the current manager.

We spent so poorly in the summer and this is the outcome. We have players on £10m on the bench as they are usless.

It needs a brand new reset.

 

[Sean Thornton]

We were crap with any tactic and selections. We have tried all of them 4/5 at the back different players. Dropped goalkeepers and defenders. There’s no magical solution within the squad.

We tried bringing him on, didn’t work.

We don’t bring him on… still concede loads.

Stuck with Wes…. Didn’t work

Changed Wes for Grbic… didn’t work.

Think anyone with an unbiased view would see pretty clearly we aren’t good enough.

Conceding 100 goals isn’t down to the current manager.

We spent so poorly in the summer and this is the outcome. We have players on £10m on the bench as they are usless.

It needs a brand new reset.

It needs a brand new reset”

With the same bloke as manager. Okay…..

 

[Houston_Blade]

Should happen, won’t happen