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There is one person responsible for the fact we are playing worse than Luton. He needs to go.
 



William Large said:
Nail on the head.
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It's not nail on the head at all.

We had a brilliant high press last season which won us piles of games. Ndiaye & Berge were exceptional at it and they were sold on the eve of the season.

When our form nosedived last season, Hecky changed it (Doyle & McAtee).
We played a different style of football and it got our promotion back on track.

We're rewriting history if we strip PH of all credit for last season. He did brilliantly. He got a tune out of several players that no other manager had and managed to develop youngsters.

He looks a little out of his depth now, but bollocks to all this nonsense undermining what he did last season and the season before.

Very, very few managers would have handled the ownership circus with as much decorum as PH did.
He kept his head, didn't complain and got the job done.

The guy deserves better from a lot of our fans.
He's been brilliant for this club. Even before he became manager.
 
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BalticBlade said:
They spent all summer trying to put a positive spin on our fucking appalling transfer window/strategy.

Now they're putting the boot into Hecky with incredible zeal.

Seemingly, the access they have to PA and whatever benefits that brings them, is of more importance to them than the best interests of the club.

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It’s there job to do this.

Do as your told you get into / interviews.
 
WalthamstowBlade said:
This is it for me. Things like fitness, attitude, and organisation are things even crap players can have (eg Bassett’s sides) and in a tight fight they can make the difference. We aren’t even doing that and that is down to management, not ownership.
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Hecky can point to the absence of backing but that doesn’t then give you a free pass to put out the tripe we saw yesterday.

There was no coherence and no method to any of it. They didn’t look well drilled, fit or with any self belief at all.

If they haven’t got him sacked yet, they’re well on the way to doubt it.
 
CaptainMorgans said:
It's not nail on the head at all.

We had a brilliant high press last season which won us piles of games. Ndiaye & Berge were exceptional at it and they were sold on the eve of the season.

When our form nosedived last season, Hecky changed it (Doyle & McAtee).
We played a different style of football and it got our promotion back on track.

We're rewriting history if we strip PH of all credit for last season. He did brilliantly. He got a tune out of several players that no other manager had and managed to develop youngsters.

He looks a little out of his depth now, but bollocks to all this nonsense undermining what he did last season and the season before.

Very, very few managers would have handled the ownership circus with as much decorum as PH did.
He kept his head, didn't complain and got the job done.

The guy deserves better from a lot of our fans.
He's been brilliant for this club. Even before he became manager.
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I feel there may be some red and white tinted glasses here. While I agree he dealt with the off field crap extremely well (which is one of the reasons he's so well liked by fans), on field we weren't great. Our 352 system was continually exposed, we chased shadows every game, we were outnumbered in every area, the opposition always looked like they had an extra man, and we generally did not look like a good team. We found ways to win but apart from Burnley at home and the Tottenham game, I cant remember any games where I felt like we dominated and looked good.

Referring back to a thread from January https://s24su.com/forum/threads/recent-performances-what-is-your-opinion.93591/ opinions were pretty evenly split, but the fact is we're trying to replicate these performances which weren't always particularly good, but now we're trying to do it against the best teams in the world rather than Wigan and QPR.
 
Nedski said:
I feel there may be some red and white tinted glasses here. While I agree he dealt with the off field crap extremely well (which is one of the reasons he's so well liked by fans), on field we weren't great. Our 352 system was continually exposed, we chased shadows every game, we were outnumbered in every area, the opposition always looked like they had an extra man, and we generally did not look like a good team. We found ways to win but apart from Burnley at home and the Tottenham game, I cant remember any games where I felt like we dominated and looked good.

Referring back to a thread from January https://s24su.com/forum/threads/recent-performances-what-is-your-opinion.93591/ opinions were pretty evenly split, but the fact is we're trying to replicate these performances which weren't always particularly good, but now we're trying to do it against the best teams in the world rather than Wigan and QPR.
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We were pretty dour to watch I agree but we got 91 points and pissed promotion despite a transfer embargo, being unable to train outdoors for the winter and the rumours of administration. I think Hecky is very likely out of his depth at this level but we shouldn't dismiss what he did last season. The same set of players were languishing in the lower half of The Championship before he came in. He deserves enormous credit for coasting promotion last season, not to mention getting to a cup semi.
 
Nedski said:
I feel there may be some red and white tinted glasses here. While I agree he dealt with the off field crap extremely well (which is one of the reasons he's so well liked by fans), on field we weren't great. Our 352 system was continually exposed, we chased shadows every game, we were outnumbered in every area, the opposition always looked like they had an extra man, and we generally did not look like a good team. We found ways to win but apart from Burnley at home and the Tottenham game, I cant remember any games where I felt like we dominated and looked good.

Referring back to a thread from January https://s24su.com/forum/threads/recent-performances-what-is-your-opinion.93591/ opinions were pretty evenly split, but the fact is we're trying to replicate these performances which weren't always particularly good, but now we're trying to do it against the best teams in the world rather than Wigan and QPR.
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With respect, that's not how I remember the season and we went up very comfortably in second place.

I'll accept there were periods where your observations are correct (particularly around February / March time) but the vast majority of games we looked like winning... and then did win.

Sure, we didn't play a possession based style of football but we were probably the best team in the league without the ball, defensively resolute, excellent at set pieces and had matchwinners that could produce moments (Berge, McAtee, Ndiaye).
 
Nedski said:
I feel there may be some red and white tinted glasses here. While I agree he dealt with the off field crap extremely well (which is one of the reasons he's so well liked by fans), on field we weren't great. Our 352 system was continually exposed, we chased shadows every game, we were outnumbered in every area, the opposition always looked like they had an extra man, and we generally did not look like a good team. We found ways to win but apart from Burnley at home and the Tottenham game, I cant remember any games where I felt like we dominated and looked good.

Referring back to a thread from January https://s24su.com/forum/threads/recent-performances-what-is-your-opinion.93591/ opinions were pretty evenly split, but the fact is we're trying to replicate these performances which weren't always particularly good, but now we're trying to do it against the best teams in the world rather than Wigan and QPR.
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"Chased shadows every game"
"Opposition looked like they had an extra man"
"Didn't look like a good team"
"I can't remember any games we dominated"

Come on, that's not true. Or even close to being true. United won 11 games by 2 or more goals.

3rd highest scorers
2nd highest xG
3rd best defence
3rd best xG against
2nd most shots
Most shots on target
2nd most shot creating actions
Most tackles in the attacking 3rd
2nd most touches in the attacking 3rd
Most touches in opposing penalty area
2nd best dribble success rate
2nd most key passes (passes leading directly to a shot)

You're taking your dim view of the style of play or excitement created and changing it into "we were shit but lucky"
 
William Large said:
Nail on the head.
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Also agree … we had £18 million worth of 5ft 10striker up front who thrives off through ballls and 1 v 1 with ball to feet.

We goofed it up to him long ball EVERY time … it was genuinely shocking.

Then add to that … we couldn’t execute a basic press… my U7 team can do that!
 
Jan Age said:
Also agree … we had £18 million worth of 5ft 10striker up front who thrives off through ballls and 1 v 1 with ball to feet.

We goofed it up to him long ball EVERY time … it was genuinely shocking.

Then add to that … we couldn’t execute a basic press… my U7 team can do that!
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On Saturday, first half we played 30 long balls to Archer, Mcatee and Hamer. A 5% completion rate confirms the absolute stupidity of the tactics.
 
ReeceofBDTBL said:
With Managers doing an awful job with the actual players he’s got. Prince is a joke and sucking the life out of the club.

But let’s not pretend we’ve got a manager even getting the basics right this season. It’s been a shambles and an embarassment from top to bottom.

Paul Mitchell, the head of recruitment who’s played a part in bringing the likes of Souza, Brewster, Max Lowe, Larouchi and Luke Thomas to the club, he can fuck off n all
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How does Mitchell get jobs with recruitments like that?!
 
I've defended this side and Heckingbottom a lot this season but I've run out of excuses.

I grudgingly accepted that budget limitations meant we had to gamble on cheap signings in the Summer. If that's what we had to spend then that's it. The budget is the budget.

My problem is that on Saturday we weren't even making a game of it. We look disorganised. We look dejected. And Hecky's response was to bring on...Fleck. John Fleck. It pains me to say bad things about the lad because of what he's given the club but he hasn't had a good game for us in 18 months if not more. A player who's just come back from a broken leg.

How do I defend that decision when we're losing at home having not had a shot? He's got Slimane and Traore on the bench. I don't know if those lads are any good or not but what I can say is this: if they're NOT better options than Fleck returning from a broken leg then they are two genuinely dire signings. Even relative to our budget. It's one thing to not be able to afford proven Premier League, it's another thing entirely to say you couldn't find a player who would have more impact than an injury riddled 32yo who couldn't get in the side last season. Neither of them would make a better impact than Osborn either? Osula looks a bright prospect but, again, it's a third player who was already at the club that Slimane and Traore apparently can't trouble for a space on the pitch at 3-0 down.

I've given the management all the time and charitability I can. I really have. But we're out there playing so badly we're losing possession and conceding from uncontested drop balls! No hard feelings to the manager, but I can't defend that.
 
PokerBlade said:
I've defended this side and Heckingbottom a lot this season but I've run out of excuses.

I grudgingly accepted that budget limitations meant we had to gamble on cheap signings in the Summer. If that's what we had to spend then that's it. The budget is the budget.

My problem is that on Saturday we weren't even making a game of it. We look disorganised. We look dejected. And Hecky's response was to bring on...Fleck. John Fleck. It pains me to say bad things about the lad because of what he's given the club but he hasn't had a good game for us in 18 months if not more. A player who's just come back from a broken leg.

How do I defend that decision when we're losing at home having not had a shot? He's got Slimane and Traore on the bench. I don't know if those lads are any good or not but what I can say is this: if they're NOT better options than Fleck returning from a broken leg then they are two genuinely dire signings. Even relative to our budget. It's one thing to not be able to afford proven Premier League, it's another thing entirely to say you couldn't find a player who would have more impact than an injury riddled 32yo who couldn't get in the side last season. Neither of them would make a better impact than Osborn either? Osula looks a bright prospect but, again, it's a third player who was already at the club that Slimane and Traore apparently can't trouble for a space on the pitch at 3-0 down.

I've given the management all the time and charitability I can. I really have. But we're out there playing so badly we're losing possession and conceding from uncontested drop balls! No hard feelings to the manager, but I can't defend that.
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Got a feeling Hecky will start Fleck against Burnley
 



nopigfansintown said:
Heckingbottom reverted back to 3-5-2 or 3-5-1-1 - it's axiomatic that it was his tactics that saw the upturn in form post Slav that resulted in promotion. It was he that developed Ndiaye into the cheat code he became, nobody else. Burnley away was decided by a Wes brain fart, we were on top until that point in proceedings. We absolutely battered them at home. We had a hat full of chances vs Middlesborough we squandered. You take two of the three best players out of any newly promoted team and you're going to significantly weaken them. It's largely revisionism and scapegoating re Hecky. You give anybody the same hand and we'd probably be in the Championship now.
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Hecky put them back in the system they were bought for and results improved but a lot of the performances were tripe and substitutions strange - Hecky had the best squad in the division and again last season it was individual skill that got us through and him sticking ( through chance) with Doyle and Macatee from the Blackburn cup game on - Burnley - was a freak all goals from set pieces if anything it galvanised Burnley defensively from then on . Boro completely outplayed us we had another clear cut opportunity after Mcburnie scored but they were already dominating. Burnley away we weren't dominating but it was for first 18 minutes or so pretty even. Ndiaye -is were Hecky has his strengths with the kids and younger players not the first team out of his depth a reactive manner not proactive -ever
 
Houston_Blade said:
Darren Smith is part of the problem with the club, he should just get himself fucked off.
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It's beyond laughable that a team in the most elite and richest league in the world, uses a fan as it's unofficial mouthpiece to drip feed bits of information to fans, and even more amateurish when the manager has publicly told them to stop.
 
Pintor75 said:
Got a feeling Hecky will start Fleck against Burnley
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I'd actually suggested Fleck playing in a recent lineup, half tongue in cheek but also slightly serious. Honestly, after the recent performances I think I'd prefer a midfield 3 of [Fleck/Osborn - Souza/Norwood - Hamer] just for balance so everyone knows their role/position. I think one of our problems has been that Norwood and Souza occupy the same place on the pitch so none of them really know exactly where they're supposed to be. It's also led to Hamer being played in an unnatural position so he's not been as effective as we'd hoped.
 
ReeceofBDTBL said:
Managers doing an awful job with the actual players he’s got. Prince is a joke and sucking the life out of the club.

But let’s not pretend we’ve got a manager even getting the basics right this season. It’s been a shambles and an embarassment from top to bottom.

Paul Mitchell, the head of recruitment who’s played a part in bringing the likes of Souza, Brewster, Max Lowe, Larouchi and Luke Thomas to the club, he can fuck off n all
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And he's a grunter 🐖
 
ATL Recs said:
Hecky put them back in the system they were bought for and results improved but a lot of the performances were tripe and substitutions strange - Hecky had the best squad in the division and again last season it was individual skill that got us through and him sticking ( through chance) with Doyle and Macatee from the Blackburn cup game on - Burnley - was a freak all goals from set pieces if anything it galvanised Burnley defensively from then on . Boro completely outplayed us we had another clear cut opportunity after Mcburnie scored but they were already dominating. Burnley away we weren't dominating but it was for first 18 minutes or so pretty even. Ndiaye -is were Hecky has his strengths with the kids and younger players not the first team out of his depth a reactive manner not proactive -ever
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The Boro game should've been over at half time in our favour. We had more shots on goal, and more shots on target in the game and pasted them first half. We missed our chances and got sucker punched by a clinical Boro. Boro's luck was always going to run out that season - that volume of fortune was never going to be sustainable. I said it at the time and was vindicated. Burnley and Watford had the best squads in the league, especially if you discount Ndiaye (a Heckingbottom discovery). Mcatte and Doyle were managed expertly and developed superbly throughout the season - especially the former who was nowhere near ready until Hecky got hold of him. He looked five stone wet through and like he'd won a raffle.

You don't make an FA Cup Semi - and finish second amidst a terrible injury crisis and off the field issues - by sheer luck. It was top class management. Light years ahead of the expensive "tactical genius" that preceded him.
 



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