The Star: An open letter to Sheffield Utd owners

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Not really, it's about a (dying) Norman baron bequeathing his 'estate' - including the recently defeated England (Anglo-Saxons) - and warning him that us lot are 'different' to other folk and must be treated accordingly:

"My son," said the Norman Baron, "I am dying, and you will be heir
To all the broad acres in England that William gave me for share
When he conquered the Saxon at Hastings, and a nice little handful it is.
But before you go over to rule it I want you to understand this:–


The rest of it goes:

"The Saxon is not like us Normans. His manners are not so polite.
But he never means anything serious till he talks about justice and right.
When he stands like an ox in the furrow – with his sullen set eyes on your own,
And grumbles, 'This isn't fair dealing,' my son, leave the Saxon alone.

"You can horsewhip your Gascony archers, or torture your Picardy spears;

But don't try that game on the Saxon; you'll have the whole brood round your ears.
From the richest old Thane in the county to the poorest chained serf in the field,
They'll be at you and on you like hornets, and, if you are wise, you will yield.


"But first you must master their language, their dialect, proverbs and songs.
(Greasy Chip Butty :D)
Don't trust any clerk to interpret when they come with the tale of their wrongs.
Let them know that you know what they're saying; let them feel that you know what to say.
Yes, even when you want to go hunting, hear 'em out if it takes you all day.

They'll drink every hour of the daylight :) and poach every hour of the dark.
It's the sport not the rabbits they're after (we've plenty of game in the park).
Don't hang them or cut off their fingers. That's wasteful as well as unkind,
For a hard-bitten, South-country poacher makes the best man-at-arms you can find.

"Appear with your wife and the children at their weddings and funerals and feasts.
Be polite but not friendly to Bishops; be good to all poor parish priests.
Say 'we,' 'us' and 'ours' when you're talking, instead of 'you fellows' and 'I.'
Don't ride over seeds; keep your temper; and never you tell 'em a lie!"

'

Ah, Kipling. The imperialist son of India; jingoist author of White Man’s Burden; mate of racist Baden Powell and shared his love for Boy Scouts.

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Rudyard? You bet he was...
 

See a copy of a recent post. You and I have discussed this before of course.

Right, okay, so:

  • The main objective of any such letter is to support our manager right now and beyond that if / when the prince takes over. If McCabe takes over I don't think we have a problem.
He had a public show of support from approx. 2000 at Bristol City, which was mentioned by the press and at least one "group of fans". Kevin McCabe knows the fans thoughts* on the manager, the Prince's advisers know the fans thoughts on the manager. I doubt very much that a signed list of people who want Wilder to stay would change their opinions on that at this stage. You also have to bear in mind, that Chris Wilder is his own man and has a choice.

* I use "fans thoughts" as opposed to "majority vocal" as it reads better, I'd never claim (as others do like to) to speak for or represent an entire fanbase.

  • The second objective is to demand some information on this summer"s plans.
The answer would be "To resolve the ownership issue and to plan for next season". You are never going to get anything more detailed than that in response to such a demand and nor should you. They've already released a joint statement suggesting that the ongoing issue has no effect on the management team from their point of view (though this doesn't take into account the management teams thoughts :)). If one of them gains total control, the most you are going to get is that we'll "be competitive", or that "we have a plan".

  • The third objective is to demonstrate that we fans are concerned , are aware of the dynamics of the threatening situation and have a voice.
Again, see point one above. They know.

If the situation progresses and there is a stronger reason to act or something to change that can or should be, then absolutely, I've no problem looking to organise/facilitate something - At the moment, there's a template letter and a call for me to "do something". Were you wanting me to provide stamps and contact details?

Beyond requesting further updates as soon as possible, I'm a little unsure as to what else can be done at this point with the above in mind and the current situation.

What would we have a petition for? demanding the club release commercially sensitive information about next seasons transfer budget, contrary to the working practices of the entire football league?

Or is it just a generic "sort it out"?

Danny04 's open letter is more sensible, in that it simply calls for something to be done in private... again, this is something that beyond Wilder's soundbites, most people know nothing about, nor do they know to the extent that it has or has/not already happened.
 
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So you don't think the Star, or RS, have asked those questions? Or talked to people actually in the know?

I never said the Wilder unhappiness info was from the Star although It was reported in there that McCabe had blocked Van Winckels appointment to the technical board. You must have missed that.

If they have asked, they haven't got very far. In reality, as someone said earlier on it's probably a result of lack of resources after cuts though I doubt Danny would acknowledge that. It's the sort of thing that would probably take a bit of time and effort which they probably no longer have.
You misunderstood if I thought you had read something in the Star about Wilder's unhappiness which may well have impacted on his day-to-day work. You're probably also aware it isn't just Van Winckel's appearance. (Which I suspect is where that blogger piece came from, tangentially, the other day - Wilder not being shy about his unhappiness with it)
The point I was making was if we know then there is plenty of information out there to be gleaned from people in the know.
 
Right, okay, so:

  • The main objective of any such letter is to support our manager right now and beyond that if / when the prince takes over. If McCabe takes over I don't think we have a problem.
He had a public show of support from approx. 2000 at Bristol City, which was mentioned by the press and at least one "group of fans". Kevin McCabe knows the fans thoughts* on the manager, the Prince's advisers know the fans thoughts on the manager. I doubt very much that a signed list of people who want Wilder to stay would change their opinions on that at this stage. You also have to bear in mind, that Chris Wilder is his own man and has a choice.

* I use "fans thoughts" as opposed to "majority vocal" as it reads better, I'd never claim (as others do like to) to speak for or represent an entire fanbase.

  • The second objective is to demand some information on this summer"s plans.
The answer would be "To resolve the ownership issue and to plan for next season". You are never going to get anything more detailed than that in response to such a demand and nor should you. They've already released a joint statement suggesting that the ongoing issue has no effect on the management team from their point of view (though this doesn't take into account the management teams thoughts :)). If one of them gains total control, the most you are going to get is that we'll "be competitive", or that "we have a plan".

  • The third objective is to demonstrate that we fans are concerned , are aware of the dynamics of the threatening situation and have a voice.
Again, see point one above. They know.

If the situation progresses and there is a stronger reason to act or something to change that can or should be, then absolutely, I've no problem looking to organise/facilitate something - At the moment, there's a template letter and a call for me to "do something". Were you wanting me to provide stamps and contact details?

Beyond requesting further updates as soon as possible, I'm a little unsure as to what else can be done at this point with the above in mind and the current situation.

What would we have a petition for? demanding the club release commercially sensitive information about next seasons transfer budget, contrary to the working practices of the entire football league?

Or is it just a generic "sort it out"?

Danny04 's open letter is more sensible, in that it simply calls for something to be done in private... again, this is something that beyond Wilder's soundbites, most people know nothing about, nor do they know to the extent that it has or has/not already happened.

Poor quality post that deters quality posters from posting quality posts and adding to the debate (which is king). Also not on topic.

Foxy OUT ! Thread ruined.

:shark:
 
So today we've got Danny04 and co at the Star AND Foxy not doing their job right and or doing what they've been told.
If they have asked, they haven't got very far. In reality, as someone said earlier on it's probably a result of lack of resources after cuts though I doubt Danny would acknowledge that. It's the sort of thing that would probably take a bit of time and effort which they probably no longer have.
You misunderstood if I thought you had read something in the Star about Wilder's unhappiness which may well have impacted on his day-to-day work. You're probably also aware it isn't just Van Winckel's appearance. (Which I suspect is where that blogger piece came from, tangentially, the other day - Wilder not being shy about his unhappiness with it)
The point I was making was if we know then there is plenty of information out there to be gleaned from people in the know.



Aah. I've misunderstood again. Funny that. They are your words though...


Glean away. Although it doesn't appear you gleaned much at the time over the Van Wickel appointment.

Plenty of people posting nonsense on here about what's going/gone on. Including yourself.
 
So today we've got Danny04 and co at the Star AND Foxy not doing their job right and or doing what they've been told.




Aah. I've misunderstood again. Funny that. They are your words though...


Glean away. Although it doesn't appear you gleaned much at the time over the Van Wickel appointment.

Plenty of people posting nonsense on here about what's going/gone on. Including yourself.
I think that Roberto would be just the one to add weight and clarity

Or failing that one of those Hitler videos
 
So today we've got Danny04 and co at the Star AND Foxy not doing their job right and or doing what they've been told.




Aah. I've misunderstood again. Funny that. They are your words though...


Glean away. Although it doesn't appear you gleaned much at the time over the Van Wickel appointment.

Plenty of people posting nonsense on here about what's going/gone on. Including yourself.

Errrr...........What's going on Sean?:confused:
 
Right, okay, so:

  • The main objective of any such letter is to support our manager right now and beyond that if / when the prince takes over. If McCabe takes over I don't think we have a problem.
He had a public show of support from approx. 2000 at Bristol City, which was mentioned by the press and at least one "group of fans". Kevin McCabe knows the fans thoughts* on the manager, the Prince's advisers know the fans thoughts on the manager. I doubt very much that a signed list of people who want Wilder to stay would change their opinions on that at this stage. You also have to bear in mind, that Chris Wilder is his own man and has a choice.

* I use "fans thoughts" as opposed to "majority vocal" as it reads better, I'd never claim (as others do like to) to speak for or represent an entire fanbase.

  • The second objective is to demand some information on this summer"s plans.
The answer would be "To resolve the ownership issue and to plan for next season". You are never going to get anything more detailed than that in response to such a demand and nor should you. They've already released a joint statement suggesting that the ongoing issue has no effect on the management team from their point of view (though this doesn't take into account the management teams thoughts :)). If one of them gains total control, the most you are going to get is that we'll "be competitive", or that "we have a plan".

  • The third objective is to demonstrate that we fans are concerned , are aware of the dynamics of the threatening situation and have a voice.
Again, see point one above. They know.

If the situation progresses and there is a stronger reason to act or something to change that can or should be, then absolutely, I've no problem looking to organise/facilitate something - At the moment, there's a template letter and a call for me to "do something". Were you wanting me to provide stamps and contact details?

Beyond requesting further updates as soon as possible, I'm a little unsure as to what else can be done at this point with the above in mind and the current situation.

What would we have a petition for? demanding the club release commercially sensitive information about next seasons transfer budget, contrary to the working practices of the entire football league?

Or is it just a generic "sort it out"?

Danny04 's open letter is more sensible, in that it simply calls for something to be done in private... again, this is something that beyond Wilder's soundbites, most people know nothing about, nor do they know to the extent that it has or has/not already happened.


" If the situation progresses and there is a stronger reason to act..." It might well be far too late.
 
" If the situation progresses and there is a stronger reason to act..." It might well be far too late.

Do you think that the ownership situation will change based upon a letter now? Will one of them decide to act differently/concede?

What are we preemptively looking to avoid specifically?
 
Do you think that the ownership situation will change based upon a letter now? Will one of them decide to act differently/concede?

Course not Foxy. All parties are well entrenched in their positions and no amount of fans bleating will change anything. Chill and stop responding to people who want you to "do something". It's ridiculous posturing.
 
Do you think that the ownership situation will change based upon a letter now? Will one of them decide to act differently/concede?

What are we preemptively looking to avoid specifically?

Fox. It's clearly not about the club, or about avoiding anything. It's about the fragile--and apparently disintegrating--ego of our sole quality poster. I suggest adopting his main approach, and putting him on ignore.

Course not Foxy. All parties are well entrenched in their positions and no amount of fans bleating will change anything. Chill and stop responding to people who want you to "do something". It's ridiculous posturing.

Masterfully understated, if I may say so. Congrats on your decorum.
 
Do you think that the ownership situation will change based upon a letter now? Will one of them decide to act differently/concede?

What are we preemptively looking to avoid specifically?


You disagree with me Foxy so why ask again?

My post No. 37.. Your reply No.92. Even now you mention the ownership issue which I have never raised, nor did Biggs, nor did Danny04.
 
You disagree with me Foxy so why ask again?

Because all these posts later, I'm not clear on the specific aim other than 'tell us stuff' and 'sort it out'.

post No. 37.. Your reply No.92. Even now you mention the ownership issue which I have never raised, nor did Biggs, nor did Danny04.

Isn't the ownership issue the cause and what this is all about?
 

By the way, Danny04, if you are going to properly represent the breadth of opinion on this forum, you need to persuade your boss to allow you a front page WILDER LEAVES/WILDER GOES headline, with a link to a back page article with photos of Wilder going on holiday, leaving a restaurant... the choice is endless. How those of us who buy the Star will laugh...

Or WILDER GONE, revisiting the sad passing of Gene Wilder?
 
6 pages in and no one knows what WWF wants yet.

Make it 10 and I'll think about getting a round in
 
Ah, Kipling. The imperialist son of India; jingoist author of White Man’s Burden; mate of racist Baden Powell and shared his love for Boy Scouts.

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Rudyard? You bet he was...
And creator of exceedingly good cakes? Ooh, Fondant Fancies! Now the season's over I understand any old tosh is ok on here, and whilst concerned about the management/ownership issue, a lifelong maxim has always been not to worry about stuff you can really do nowt about. As Blades fans we have more chance of influencing Trump's stance on world politics than on United's board, hence my policy of eating Fondant Fancies and drinking craft beer until the situation becomes clearer or I explode like Mr Creosote, whichever happens first. I think we know the answer to that!
 
Because all these posts later, I'm not clear on the specific aim other than 'tell us stuff' and 'sort it out'.



Isn't the ownership issue the cause and what this is all about?



We are flogging a dead horse here but I think it's important so I'll show you where you misunderstand the fundamental objectives of my suggestion. See post 37 from above as re-quoted below.

See a copy of a recent post. You and I have discussed this before of course.
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Wrong quote so I'll add it to a fresh post.

Right. My major worry right now is Objective No. 1 on there: To keep Wilder. My concern is that the prince has different ideas for the club and Wilder doesn't quite fit in. As I say above, if McCabe prevails then we have no problem. So a show of solidarity from fans has a dual purpose - another message to Wilder himself when he may have other serious options and a message to the prince for the medium and longer term. 5000 signatures would make anybody think twice.

Objective 2 is to emphasise the importance of this summer and early dialogue with the manager. Not necessarily with us because Wilder communicates well with his fans.

Objective 3 is self explanatory.

You say Wilder is his own man and of course he is. If he has decided to leave then it is likely worries about the prince in the future. I honestly don't believe it's just about money and if it is then the club should bridge any gap.

Fan power can work and in this case would be a timely boost to show Wilder solidarity and to remind the prince we matter and demand we keep our manager. It could also strengthen McCabe's resolve too. What harm would it do? The least it would do is set up a communication channel which could be exercised in future.

I am mindful of your relationship with the club and how it benefits the forum but done properly anybody will appreciate the good of the club is our motivation.

Time passes and I've given up on this but you did ask!! I'm sorry I never got through to you that it could not ever be about the ownership negotiations but I've emphasised that in every post.
 
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Because all these posts later, I'm not clear on the specific aim other than 'tell us stuff' and 'sort it out'.



Isn't the ownership issue the cause and what this is all about?


Above post refers. The following post was made on 2nd May.

Wilder will let us know what he thinks of his budget in due course as with any player sales too.

The main objective of any such letter is to support our manager right now and beyond that if / when the prince takes over. If McCabe takes over I don't think we have a problem.

The second objective is to demand some information on this summer"s plans.

The third objective is to demonstrate that we fans are concerned , are aware of the dynamics of the threatening situation and have a voice.

Seems to be about 1 fan interested but I offered an idea and am glad I did.
 
6 pages in. Still no clue whats going on.

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Anyone else think the Prince could just be another patsy for McCabe and his failings?

Bring a guy in, promise the fans ‘game changing investment when we’re in the championship’, bottle it, then Prince (pbuh) tells KM he will do a better job of it, KM probably knows it, bottles it again and then starts blaming the Prince (pbuh). All the while, because McCabe is a Blade and the Prince (pbuh) isn’t, fans side with McCabe.

Clever.

McCabe gets rid of the Prince (pbuh), all seems rosy again because we aren’t changing our name (haha as if) or moving to a new stadium just off the parkway.

Then McCabe sells Fleck and Brooks to Bournemouth and Watford for a combined fee of around £3m because “the big clubs come calling” and we eventually get relegated again because of ‘bad luck’, all the while Wilder is doing a grand job of getting Ipswich to the top of the league because he’s got a box of curly wurly’s instead of just the one, while our journeyman waste of a manager (pick one) struggles to get the best out of our flock of Coventry and Northampton rejects and/or premier league youth loans like James Wilson and John Cofie.



Go on, admit it, that all sounds plausible doesn’t it?
 
And creator of exceedingly good cakes? Ooh, Fondant Fancies! Now the season's over I understand any old tosh is ok on here, and whilst concerned about the management/ownership issue, a lifelong maxim has always been not to worry about stuff you can really do nowt about. As Blades fans we have more chance of influencing Trump's stance on world politics than on United's board, hence my policy of eating Fondant Fancies and drinking craft beer until the situation becomes clearer or I explode like Mr Creosote, whichever happens first. I think we know the answer to that!

Toffee Bakewell is my go to, can't go wrong.
 

6 pages in. Still no clue whats going on.

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Woodwardfans' telling us he's right about his highly disregarded shit idea. Rest of it is bluster and filler from the bone idle and those that don't "understand".
 

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