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Richard Sutcliffe in the Athletic

Thrashed 8.0 at home to Newcastle, where do Sheffield United go from here?


The swathes of empty seats inside Bramall Lane at the final whistle brought their own verdict. Sheffield United’s humbling at home to Newcastle United, their heaviest defeat in league football, was as bad as it gets.

Totally devoid of ideas and character, United were an embarrassment. Eddie Howe’s side could easily have scored more than the eight they managed past the horribly exposed Wes Foderingham. But the home side had no one to blame but themselves for a collapse that will take some getting over.

Even in the dark, dark days of the miserable 2020-21 season that saw United reach January with a paltry two points to their name, things never got as dire as this abject showing.

United lost 29 times during that sorry top-flight campaign, but even a squad whose limitations were clear for all to see never found themselves on the end of a beating like this.

Instead, the vast majority of those record-equalling tally of defeats were by the odd goal, such as when leaving champions Manchester City and Liverpool empty-handed after spirited displays from a well-drilled, if limited, side.

Contrast that with the gutless efforts that allowed Newcastle to coast to their biggest away win in league football and leave manager Paul Heckingbottom with an almighty task to lift his shell-shocked side.

Just where United go from here is unclear. Certainly, the fixture list will do them few favours. Next up are back-to-back trips to the capital to take on West Ham United and Fulham, followed by home games against Manchester United and Arsenal before the clocks go back. Good luck with those on this showing.

Heckingbottom, for his part, has pledged to bounce back. “Will this result define our season?” he says. “No, it is three points we lost. But I think what you have seen there is something that, since I came to the club, we have never seen before.

“That’s what we have to address. We have to learn from this.”

As was shown last season, hidings like this can land a manager in big trouble. A little under 13 months ago, Scott Parker paid for Bournemouth’s 9-0 defeat at Liverpool with his job.

With Heckingbottom’s future already the subject of speculation and suggestions Chris Wilder has been lined up for a return, the timing of this loss could hardly have been worse.

Heckingbottom did receive a private assurance over his future early last week, but eight-goal hammerings tend to make boards jumpy, meaning the manager could be forgiven for feeling nervous every time his phone buzzes with a WhatsApp message over the next few days.

Asked whether he expected to be still in charge when United travel to the London Stadium next weekend, Heckingbottom replied: “One hundred per cent, yes.

“I can see this (the speculation) might be a theme now, but I can’t answer any of that. You are asking the wrong man.”

Despite the assurances that have been made to Heckingbottom behind closed doors, the Wilder element stacks up for anyone with an understanding of recent goings-on at the Lane.

It is no secret that the former Middlesbrough and Watford manager fell out with owner Prince Abdullah towards the end of his near five-year reign, but relations have long since been repaired between the pair.

When dissecting the 2022-23 promotion triumph for the club’s in-house channel SUTV last summer, Prince Abdullah said: “I just met Chris, maybe three weeks ago. We had lunch and a nice chat, we reflected about that season (2020-21) and how playing without the fans (due to Covid-19) was a big reason why we got relegated.”

As part of those chats, Wilder has been consulted on a number of matters.

The Prince has also publicly given part of the credit for this year’s return to the top flight to Wilder given he signed so many of those who played a role in the promotion such as Oliver Norwood, Sander Berge, John Egan and Foderingham.

The next logical step would be working together once again. But is that time now? I’d suggest not, with Heckingbottom deserving some loyalty from a board who sold him short via a confused summer in the transfer window.

After pre-season had been built around Iliman Ndiaye and Berge, the duo were sold just before the action got under way. That led to a protracted search for replacements who, admittedly, do look capable of making an impression at this level.

The Newcastle thrashing apart, Vinicius Souza has looked a good addition in centre midfield. Gustavo Hamer already has two goals to his name, while Cameron Archer’s partnership with Oli McBurnie — the latter suspended on Sunday — has shown promise.

Heckingbottom’s problem is such a confused summer meant effectively writing off eminently winnable games against Crystal Palace, Everton and Nottingham Forest during the opening month. That is on the board and no one else.

Likewise, the remarkable job he did in steering the club to promotion last season despite increasing off-field chaos. Hence the directors should do the decent thing and stick with their manager.

His win ratio going into the Newcastle game stood at 50 per cent from exactly 100 games in charge. This includes the hospital pass that was his appointment as interim manager when United were on the floor following Wilder’s exit.

Stepping up to join the elite was always going to be a struggle for the three promoted teams. United’s prospects of upsetting the odds were laid bare on an afternoon when Newcastle boasted eight different scorers, a new Premier League record.

Even if things get worse before they get better in terms of the league table — and those upcoming four fixtures do look tough — United must stand by their man.
 

Richard Sutcliffe in the Athletic

Thrashed 8.0 at home to Newcastle, where do Sheffield United go from here?


The swathes of empty seats inside Bramall Lane at the final whistle brought their own verdict. Sheffield United’s humbling at home to Newcastle United, their heaviest defeat in league football, was as bad as it gets.

Totally devoid of ideas and character, United were an embarrassment. Eddie Howe’s side could easily have scored more than the eight they managed past the horribly exposed Wes Foderingham. But the home side had no one to blame but themselves for a collapse that will take some getting over.

Even in the dark, dark days of the miserable 2020-21 season that saw United reach January with a paltry two points to their name, things never got as dire as this abject showing.

United lost 29 times during that sorry top-flight campaign, but even a squad whose limitations were clear for all to see never found themselves on the end of a beating like this.

Instead, the vast majority of those record-equalling tally of defeats were by the odd goal, such as when leaving champions Manchester City and Liverpool empty-handed after spirited displays from a well-drilled, if limited, side.

Contrast that with the gutless efforts that allowed Newcastle to coast to their biggest away win in league football and leave manager Paul Heckingbottom with an almighty task to lift his shell-shocked side.

Just where United go from here is unclear. Certainly, the fixture list will do them few favours. Next up are back-to-back trips to the capital to take on West Ham United and Fulham, followed by home games against Manchester United and Arsenal before the clocks go back. Good luck with those on this showing.

Heckingbottom, for his part, has pledged to bounce back. “Will this result define our season?” he says. “No, it is three points we lost. But I think what you have seen there is something that, since I came to the club, we have never seen before.

“That’s what we have to address. We have to learn from this.”

As was shown last season, hidings like this can land a manager in big trouble. A little under 13 months ago, Scott Parker paid for Bournemouth’s 9-0 defeat at Liverpool with his job.

With Heckingbottom’s future already the subject of speculation and suggestions Chris Wilder has been lined up for a return, the timing of this loss could hardly have been worse.

Heckingbottom did receive a private assurance over his future early last week, but eight-goal hammerings tend to make boards jumpy, meaning the manager could be forgiven for feeling nervous every time his phone buzzes with a WhatsApp message over the next few days.

Asked whether he expected to be still in charge when United travel to the London Stadium next weekend, Heckingbottom replied: “One hundred per cent, yes.

“I can see this (the speculation) might be a theme now, but I can’t answer any of that. You are asking the wrong man.”

Despite the assurances that have been made to Heckingbottom behind closed doors, the Wilder element stacks up for anyone with an understanding of recent goings-on at the Lane.

It is no secret that the former Middlesbrough and Watford manager fell out with owner Prince Abdullah towards the end of his near five-year reign, but relations have long since been repaired between the pair.

When dissecting the 2022-23 promotion triumph for the club’s in-house channel SUTV last summer, Prince Abdullah said: “I just met Chris, maybe three weeks ago. We had lunch and a nice chat, we reflected about that season (2020-21) and how playing without the fans (due to Covid-19) was a big reason why we got relegated.”

As part of those chats, Wilder has been consulted on a number of matters.

The Prince has also publicly given part of the credit for this year’s return to the top flight to Wilder given he signed so many of those who played a role in the promotion such as Oliver Norwood, Sander Berge, John Egan and Foderingham.

The next logical step would be working together once again. But is that time now? I’d suggest not, with Heckingbottom deserving some loyalty from a board who sold him short via a confused summer in the transfer window.

After pre-season had been built around Iliman Ndiaye and Berge, the duo were sold just before the action got under way. That led to a protracted search for replacements who, admittedly, do look capable of making an impression at this level.

The Newcastle thrashing apart, Vinicius Souza has looked a good addition in centre midfield. Gustavo Hamer already has two goals to his name, while Cameron Archer’s partnership with Oli McBurnie — the latter suspended on Sunday — has shown promise.

Heckingbottom’s problem is such a confused summer meant effectively writing off eminently winnable games against Crystal Palace, Everton and Nottingham Forest during the opening month. That is on the board and no one else.

Likewise, the remarkable job he did in steering the club to promotion last season despite increasing off-field chaos. Hence the directors should do the decent thing and stick with their manager.

His win ratio going into the Newcastle game stood at 50 per cent from exactly 100 games in charge. This includes the hospital pass that was his appointment as interim manager when United were on the floor following Wilder’s exit.

Stepping up to join the elite was always going to be a struggle for the three promoted teams. United’s prospects of upsetting the odds were laid bare on an afternoon when Newcastle boasted eight different scorers, a new Premier League record.

Even if things get worse before they get better in terms of the league table — and those upcoming four fixtures do look tough — United must stand by their man.
Worst of it is,Coaches,Managers of Premiership clubs and any other clubs will know our weaknesses,if they don't already,Hecky be prepared to be out thought.
 
Worst of it is,Coaches,Managers of Premiership clubs and any other clubs will know our weaknesses,if they don't already,Hecky be prepared to be out thought.
Does Hecky have the tactical nous or anyone else in the club,we shall see.
 
Richard Sutcliffe in the Athletic

Thrashed 8.0 at home to Newcastle, where do Sheffield United go from here?


The swathes of empty seats inside Bramall Lane at the final whistle brought their own verdict. Sheffield United’s humbling at home to Newcastle United, their heaviest defeat in league football, was as bad as it gets.

Totally devoid of ideas and character, United were an embarrassment. Eddie Howe’s side could easily have scored more than the eight they managed past the horribly exposed Wes Foderingham. But the home side had no one to blame but themselves for a collapse that will take some getting over.

Even in the dark, dark days of the miserable 2020-21 season that saw United reach January with a paltry two points to their name, things never got as dire as this abject showing.

United lost 29 times during that sorry top-flight campaign, but even a squad whose limitations were clear for all to see never found themselves on the end of a beating like this.

Instead, the vast majority of those record-equalling tally of defeats were by the odd goal, such as when leaving champions Manchester City and Liverpool empty-handed after spirited displays from a well-drilled, if limited, side.

Contrast that with the gutless efforts that allowed Newcastle to coast to their biggest away win in league football and leave manager Paul Heckingbottom with an almighty task to lift his shell-shocked side.

Just where United go from here is unclear. Certainly, the fixture list will do them few favours. Next up are back-to-back trips to the capital to take on West Ham United and Fulham, followed by home games against Manchester United and Arsenal before the clocks go back. Good luck with those on this showing.

Heckingbottom, for his part, has pledged to bounce back. “Will this result define our season?” he says. “No, it is three points we lost. But I think what you have seen there is something that, since I came to the club, we have never seen before.

“That’s what we have to address. We have to learn from this.”

As was shown last season, hidings like this can land a manager in big trouble. A little under 13 months ago, Scott Parker paid for Bournemouth’s 9-0 defeat at Liverpool with his job.

With Heckingbottom’s future already the subject of speculation and suggestions Chris Wilder has been lined up for a return, the timing of this loss could hardly have been worse.

Heckingbottom did receive a private assurance over his future early last week, but eight-goal hammerings tend to make boards jumpy, meaning the manager could be forgiven for feeling nervous every time his phone buzzes with a WhatsApp message over the next few days.

Asked whether he expected to be still in charge when United travel to the London Stadium next weekend, Heckingbottom replied: “One hundred per cent, yes.

“I can see this (the speculation) might be a theme now, but I can’t answer any of that. You are asking the wrong man.”

Despite the assurances that have been made to Heckingbottom behind closed doors, the Wilder element stacks up for anyone with an understanding of recent goings-on at the Lane.

It is no secret that the former Middlesbrough and Watford manager fell out with owner Prince Abdullah towards the end of his near five-year reign, but relations have long since been repaired between the pair.

When dissecting the 2022-23 promotion triumph for the club’s in-house channel SUTV last summer, Prince Abdullah said: “I just met Chris, maybe three weeks ago. We had lunch and a nice chat, we reflected about that season (2020-21) and how playing without the fans (due to Covid-19) was a big reason why we got relegated.”

As part of those chats, Wilder has been consulted on a number of matters.

The Prince has also publicly given part of the credit for this year’s return to the top flight to Wilder given he signed so many of those who played a role in the promotion such as Oliver Norwood, Sander Berge, John Egan and Foderingham.

The next logical step would be working together once again. But is that time now? I’d suggest not, with Heckingbottom deserving some loyalty from a board who sold him short via a confused summer in the transfer window.

After pre-season had been built around Iliman Ndiaye and Berge, the duo were sold just before the action got under way. That led to a protracted search for replacements who, admittedly, do look capable of making an impression at this level.

The Newcastle thrashing apart, Vinicius Souza has looked a good addition in centre midfield. Gustavo Hamer already has two goals to his name, while Cameron Archer’s partnership with Oli McBurnie — the latter suspended on Sunday — has shown promise.

Heckingbottom’s problem is such a confused summer meant effectively writing off eminently winnable games against Crystal Palace, Everton and Nottingham Forest during the opening month. That is on the board and no one else.

Likewise, the remarkable job he did in steering the club to promotion last season despite increasing off-field chaos. Hence the directors should do the decent thing and stick with their manager.

His win ratio going into the Newcastle game stood at 50 per cent from exactly 100 games in charge. This includes the hospital pass that was his appointment as interim manager when United were on the floor following Wilder’s exit.

Stepping up to join the elite was always going to be a struggle for the three promoted teams. United’s prospects of upsetting the odds were laid bare on an afternoon when Newcastle boasted eight different scorers, a new Premier League record.

Even if things get worse before they get better in terms of the league table — and those upcoming four fixtures do look tough — United must stand by their man.
That’s a very lengthy but fair analysis but it’s beyond Hecky.
It’s all about a greedy, fat prince who’s treating Sheff United as a personal cash cow. He’ll keep holdin out for a ridiculous price to sell - while personally scoffing as much cash as he can.
We’ve been thru some tuff times but this is surreal.
Please wake me up & tell me I’m a Man City fan owned by a filthy rich, despotic country. Or maybe not.
Good news is …….I’m not a snort-beast!
 
He could well have the nous but definitely doesn't have the players to compete at this level.
Well and truly got his hands tied behind his back.
I agree with that . rubbing shoulders with millionaires and billionaires with a fiver in the bank . I could cope with that if the prem money we are earning are going towards fixing our financial problems . The manager has been asked to build a prem team with just 20mill net to spend which of course is a very big tall order . Really the team wanted a complete rebuild from top to bottom but there was no way he could do that with such a small amount of cash . Add to that the turmoil he has had to put up with from the boardroom with take overs that seem to go on and on ,no money to spend in the transfer market in three windows and players from league one, the embargo I think he has done ok . Unfortunately it has caught up with us now and i can not see how any other guy in the hot seat could pull it round without sizable investment in the playing staff.
 
I doubt any of the so called top premiership managers could have done any better given all our manager has had to contend with.
100% this - Realistically I could manage Man City to the Champions League every year. They have won 7 Premierships over the last 10 years and 1 Champions League. With a reported spend of over £850 million. Nearly 7 years under Pep does that make him a great manager or right face right time type.
 
I get the feeling West Ham, rightly or wrongly might be the managers last chance
West Ham are just another Newcastle in waiting,huge centre backs,tricky wide players, midfield we can only dream of and a battering ram CF,plus a specialist dead baller,they just need to follow the script already written.
 
West Ham are just another Newcastle in waiting,huge centre backs,tricky wide players, midfield we can only dream of and a battering ram CF,plus a specialist dead baller,they just need to follow the script already written.
Indeed, they are not the next team you would like to be facing after yesterday
100% this - Realistically I could manage Man City to the Champions League every year. They have won 7 Premierships over the last 10 years and 1 Champions League. With a reported spend of over £850 million. Nearly 7 years under Pep does that make him a great manager or right face right time type.
Be interesting to see if he could cope with managing any of the promoted clubs/Wolves/Everton/Bournemouth or even get a team promoted from the Championship that wasn’t Leeds, Leicester or Southampton
 
That’s a very lengthy but fair analysis but it’s beyond Hecky.
It’s all about a greedy, fat prince who’s treating Sheff United as a personal cash cow. He’ll keep holdin out for a ridiculous price to sell - while personally scoffing as much cash as he can.
We’ve been thru some tuff times but this is surreal.
Please wake me up & tell me I’m a Man City fan owned by a filthy rich, despotic country. Or maybe not.
Good news is …….I’m not a snort-beast!

Ridiculous post.

How is he 'scoffing cash'?

Please show me the massive dividends or directors salary he is taking. I'd start with the accounts if I were you.

I'd probably stop there and keep a low profile, when you don't find anything to support your daft allegations.
 

its hard to see us getting a single point from any of the next 4 games we will be adrift by the end of october and suspect the other 2 promoted teams will be as well it used to be just the top 6 that spent millions on players now its the top 12/14 newbies to the league havent a chance unless theyve billionaire owners
 
That’s a very lengthy but fair analysis but it’s beyond Hecky.
It’s all about a greedy, fat prince who’s treating Sheff United as a personal cash cow. He’ll keep holdin out for a ridiculous price to sell - while personally scoffing as much cash as he can.
We’ve been thru some tuff times but this is surreal.
Please wake me up & tell me I’m a Man City fan owned by a filthy rich, despotic country. Or maybe not.
Good news is …….I’m not a snort-beast!
I can't see Hecky being sacked due to the pay offs for him and his entourage. The problem for the prince is our value is plummeting as the weeks go by. He really needed to sell up in the close season but inextricably wasted that time pissing about with Dozy.
 
Indeed, they are not the next team you would like to be facing after yesterday

Be interesting to see if he could cope with managing any of the promoted clubs/Wolves/Everton/Bournemouth or even get a team promoted from the Championship that wasn’t Leeds, Leicester or Southampton
I don’t think he could, but it’s not his thing. He is a manager of elite players and teams, and needs the players who are good enough to play his style. Expecting him to work wonders with the kind of plodders we employ would be like expecting Frankie Dettori* to win the Derby on a donkey.

*or whoever is a good jockey!!
 
100% this - Realistically I could manage Man City to the Champions League every year. They have won 7 Premierships over the last 10 years and 1 Champions League. With a reported spend of over £850 million. Nearly 7 years under Pep does that make him a great manager or right face right time type.
You’re on the wind up right?
You could manage elite players on 100-500 K a week
Well look at Chelsea and Manure they’ve spent more but are mediocre or shit in comparison to City one of the hardest working teams in world football with and without the ball
 
Ridiculous post.

How is he 'scoffing cash'?

Please show me the massive dividends or directors salary he is taking. I'd start with the accounts if I were you.

I'd probably stop there and keep a low profile, when you don't find anything to support your daft allegations.
Aha! A disciple of the good prince.
 
Aha! A disciple of the good prince.
Just admit that you have nothing to back up the claim you made and move on.

Abdullah is shit in a lot of ways, but he’s not getting personally rich off the club and hasn’t been since he took over. If he doesn’t sell for more than he’s put in then he won’t in the future either. This is fact.
 
That’s a very lengthy but fair analysis but it’s beyond Hecky.
It’s all about a greedy, fat prince who’s treating Sheff United as a personal cash cow. He’ll keep holdin out for a ridiculous price to sell - while personally scoffing as much cash as he can.
We’ve been thru some tuff times but this is surreal.
Please wake me up & tell me I’m a Man City fan owned by a filthy rich, despotic country. Or maybe not.
Good news is …….I’m not a snort-beast!
Is he really treating us like a cash cow or is he putting sensible finances in place for a secure healthy future for our club? Like the below article suggests too i think the latter

 
That’s a very lengthy but fair analysis but it’s beyond Hecky.
It’s all about a greedy, fat prince who’s treating Sheff United as a personal cash cow. He’ll keep holdin out for a ridiculous price to sell - while personally scoffing as much cash as he can.
We’ve been thru some tuff times but this is surreal.
Please wake me up & tell me I’m a Man City fan owned by a filthy rich, despotic country. Or maybe not.
Good news is …….I’m not a snort-beast!
Nonsense. The Prince has injected every penny back into the club we have earned and spent huge amounts of his own personal money. We’ve bought players (even this season) signed for sums I never thought I’d see. The club needs to be run self sufficiently and shouldn’t be relying on a sugar daddy to prop us up. If that means playing in the Championship then that’s our level and the quicker we accept it the better.
 
After Sunday's exposé, I can't see Hecky seeing us win another point. Immediate remit for the new era: minimise embarrassment.
 
Great article that.
We fans just have to suck it up this season and hopefully go well again in the Champ next.
The problem is not of our making. Championship wages outstripping all income by miles is unsustainable. We are working to a budget we can just about sustain.
Results like Sunday's are no longer uncommon and we should draw a line, move on and seek to do better, but it may well happen again. It's not the manager's fault. Ref put us in an unpalatable position at 3 0 down at HT. We had to stick or twist. Hecky chose to twist to try and create something and it backfired and we became wide open.
The bloke has built and will use impressive youth options to save the club's cash. Made thousands of decisions about current and future players and the long term plan forwards. It's not about instant gratification. Changing manager means starting again but with no investment. Not gonna work.
Some folk think one bad decision causing one bad result means we have to chuck all that planning and progress away. Just grow up. Accept we are likely going down without a huge buyout, and look forwards to next season.
 

If we sack Hecky and bring in another manager that person will want 'time'.

We'll hear all the usual platitudes. 'These are not my players', 'Judge me after one (or even two) transfer windows'. etc etc.

As fans we'll allow the new guy a honeymoon period. The almost inevitable will be relegation.

I'm in total favour of retaining Hecky. He may have some tough decisions to come up with if he sees players who won't die for the shirt.

The Prince's statement about Wilder a few weeks ago was irresponsible and immature. He's added pressure onto all the staff wich wasn't deserved.
 

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