'The manager is a nice guy - one of those you want to do well for'

[Darren]

Wow, youve actually put some thought into this.

You know when a joke has died peacefully in its sleep, the undertaker has been, measured up the departed, place it in its coffin, the funeral has taken place followed by the wake and where everyone has moved on and got over their grief?

Well that is how dead this joke now is....

 

[raul]

A "cloven" perhaps?

 

[JohnDenver]

More often than not the successful managers are nasty, driven people who would kick their own granny out of the way to achieve what they are tasked to.

I think you can achieve short term success with that approach. But you cannot build anything lasting. This is the allegation against Blackwell, and could well be a fair one.

In any walk of management, you have to be respected more than liked. If you behave like Gordon Gekko, your people will eventually turn against you. Maybe I ask too much of our managers, but it did bother me that Warnock was so obnoxious and intemperate in front of the media. He's representing my club - I expect better. But he must have been good with the players behind the scenes. He did too well to have survived on bullying alone.

With regard to Wilson, he's obviously the nurturing type, which is seemingly what our players needed after the bruises of last season. Perhaps his test will come when he's asked to be ruthless. Wasn't it a criticism of his time at Wendy that he couldn't handle the egos? Thankfully, we currently don't seem to have any idiots in the club (Ched perhaps?), but problems will inevitably arise which require Danny to be hard as nails.

Time will tell.

UTB.

 

[Micalijo]

I think you can achieve short term success with that approach. But you cannot build anything lasting. This is the allegation against Blackwell, and could well be a fair one.

In any walk of management, you have to be respected more than liked. If you behave like Gordon Gekko, your people will eventually turn against you. Maybe I ask too much of our managers, but it did bother me that Warnock was so obnoxious and intemperate in front of the media. He's representing my club - I expect better. But he must have been good with the players behind the scenes. He did too well to have survived on bullying alone.

With regard to Wilson, he's obviously the nurturing type, which is seemingly what our players needed after the bruises of last season. Perhaps his test will come when he's asked to be ruthless. Wasn't it a criticism of his time at Wendy that he couldn't handle the egos? Thankfully, we currently don't seem to have any idiots in the club (Ched perhaps?), but problems will inevitably arise which require Danny to be hard as nails.

Time will tell.

UTB.

The allegation against Blackwell - and it is entirely fair JD - is that he was a pathetic manager, widely disliked by all and sundry. Swiss could have won games with the squad Blackwell inherited and the wedge at his disposal througout his reign.

Duncan's comment seem to suggest that Blackwell was disliked but respected. As above, he certainly was unpopular. Unfotunately I believe the players would go home and piss em sens laughing at the manager behind his back.

 

[Pinchy]

You know when a joke has died peacefully in its sleep, the undertaker has been, measured up the departed, place it in its coffin, the funeral has taken place followed by the wake and where everyone has moved on and got over their grief?

Well that is how dead this joke now is....

Long ball, kick-and-rush football passed away two decades ago but its ghost still shakes its hoary chains at SUFC, thanks, in no small measure, to some of the most parochial, unambitious, misguided fans any club could have the misfortune to endure.

My joke is still a babe-in-arms compared to the Comedie Noir of Hoof.
Upanatem!

 

[Bergen Blade]

Surprised at these comments Bergen. Ok it is tiresome but there is a serious side to it. Hoof is everything that Blackwell and Adams stood for and it has landed us in the pub league. Lack of pace, lack of ability, fear factor, pathetic rants and lies to the press - that is hoof. We haven't seen Wilson yet after a bad set of results but Quinn is 100% definitely having a pop at Adams and Blackwell in his comments. We now have a proper, sensible football manager (who might fail obviously) - Blackwell and Adams were total and utter jokes, failures and zero entertainment.

Why surprised? I wasn't more impressed with Blackwell's tactics than you were. In my opinion it was only a matter of time before his short termism caught up with him and we'd start to slide. Wilson has been a refreshing change.

There's nothing wrong with what you put above, relevant and valid points that can be discussed. The :heart: hoofball thing isn't funny any more though. It's simplistic and accusive and pisses off fellow blades. I'm sure you wouldn't like to be put in the "We :heart: passing sideways" bracket for the same reasons.

 

[JohnDenver]

I'm sure you wouldn't like to be put in the "We :heart: passing sideways" bracket for the same reasons.

Naffink wrong wi' that mi 'owd cocksparra....

 

[Darren]

Why surprised? I wasn't more impressed with Blackwell's tactics than you were. In my opinion it was only a matter of time before his short termism caught up with him and we'd start to slide. Wilson has been a refreshing change.

There's nothing wrong with what you put above, relevant and valid points that can be discussed. The :heart: hoofball thing isn't funny any more though. It's simplistic and accusive and pisses off fellow blades. I'm sure you wouldn't like to be put in the "We :heart: passing sideways" bracket for the same reasons.

But it never did catch up with him did it? His 4 seasons:

2007-08: took us from flirting with relegation to play off contenders
2008-09: took us to the play off final
2009-10: despite losing his best players, the parachute payments and coping with the start of the "loan it if it moves" era, we are in and around the play offs all season and finish 8th.
2010-11: he is subjected to a knee jerk sacking after a credibatle 1-1 draw at play off qualifiers Cardiff and a home defeat to eventual champions QPR.

 

[Bergen Blade]

But it never did catch up with him did it? His 4 seasons:

2007-08: took us from flirting with relegation to play off contenders
2008-09: took us to the play off final
2009-10: despite losing his best players, the parachute payments and coping with the start of the "loan it if it moves" era, we are in and around the play offs all season and finish 8th.
2010-11: he is subjected to a knee jerk sacking after a credibatle 1-1 draw at play off qualifiers Cardiff and a home defeat to eventual champions QPR.

1-1 against a Cardiff side in turmoil at the time, knocked out of the cup by Hartlepool, humilated at home by Neil Warnock, where did you see things turning...?

He failed to address our problem areas over the summer and left us with a squad that had huge gaps. I think we would have struggled even if he'd stayed. But it's only my opinion, I know that.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

I think you can achieve short term success with that approach. But you cannot build anything lasting. This is the allegation against Blackwell, and could well be a fair one.

There'll be a few thinking of Fergie at this point. Great if you're on his side, but I'm pretty certain his metaphorical Granny would be bearing a few bruises should she try and tell him that far from the FA being against Man Utd, they get far more than their fair share of borderline decisions on and off the pitch

 

[Darren]

1-1 against a Cardiff side in turmoil at the time, knocked out of the cup by Hartlepool, humilated at home by Neil Warnock, where did you see things turning...?

He failed to address our problem areas over the summer and left us with a squad that had huge gaps. I think we would have struggled even if he'd stayed. But it's only my opinion, I know that.

I would say two games was too early to say how things would turn out. Anyway, the season could hardly have panned out worse with KB in charge...

 

[Jonboy60]

No because it only exists in the heads of two posters.

Remember the biggest hoofer we've ever had. He would pick the ball up somewhere between the penalty area and half-way line, and then hoof it 30-40yrds to our right winger,who would then cut inside the fullback and hit it like a bullet(couldn't spell excorset)into the back of the net. The hoofers name. Tony Tony currie,and the winger Alan Woodward.

 

[Deleted member 875]

The rot was set before Blackwell came in, with Robson and Robinson embarking on the biggest spending spree and leaving a legacy where the Blades would be skint for a few years. Blackwell whilst not playing the most attractive style of football, kept us from slipping from more quickly than we might have done otherwise.

I've had the same beliefs and ideas about football should be played for a number of years, first of all you need to be hard to beat, i like to see a side with a solid spine (decent keeper, settled back four with a big hard bastard at the back, a midfield destroyer in midfield, and someone with a physical threat up front), it's when you've got that you fit your footballers around that spine and then you have the defensive and attacking options covered. You can induct me in to whatever stereotypical pro hoof groups that you want, but thats my belief, but it is also interesting to note that out the strong spine that i cry out for, the side we have who are playing some excellent football have that strong spine at the minute.

There needs to be a mix between playing defensive football, banging the ball long, and playing free-flowing football. If you tend to spend 90 minutes hitting long balls, or if you spend a full 90 minutes playing passing football, you tend to be become one-dimensional and very easy to play against.

 

[Micalijo]

Adams I'll give you, but Blackwell a failure? - what wouldn't we give now to be where we were in May 2009.

Yes - a disgusting failure. You see the performance at Wembley? And I reckon you would have had a chance of getting results with the money that obnoxious plank had.

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Id rather have coven as a collective noun anyway. A coven of hoof lovers.

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Im not sure anyone actually is arguing that the football was better under Blackwell or Adams than it is now.

Maybe not but if you are right, why all the abuse when people were saying sack Blackwell, sack Alehouse? I was told that the grass is not always greener, stability is required. It isn't and at last we have a sensible manager.

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But it never did catch up with him did it? His 4 seasons:

2007-08: took us from flirting with relegation to play off contenders
2008-09: took us to the play off final
2009-10: despite losing his best players, the parachute payments and coping with the start of the "loan it if it moves" era, we are in and around the play offs all season and finish 8th.
2010-11: he is subjected to a knee jerk sacking after a credibatle 1-1 draw at play off qualifiers Cardiff and a home defeat to eventual champions QPR.

comical stuff - you obviously don't see many games Darren.

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Why surprised? I wasn't more impressed with Blackwell's tactics than you were. In my opinion it was only a matter of time before his short termism caught up with him and we'd start to slide. Wilson has been a refreshing change.

There's nothing wrong with what you put above, relevant and valid points that can be discussed. The :heart: hoofball thing isn't funny any more though. It's simplistic and accusive and pisses off fellow blades. I'm sure you wouldn't like to be put in the "We :heart: passing sideways" bracket for the same reasons.

Fair comments Bergen, accept what you are saying but alot of absue was dished out on here when perfectly sensible comments were made wanting the instant dismissals of Blackwell and Adams. As stated above, these people are the hoof merchants for me - sorry but if it pisses em off I couldn't care less, they need to relax a bit. These people are lovers of the reasons we are a 3rd tier side - get stuck in, give Adams a chance, let's give Cresswell a chance at left wing, get behind em rather tan sing Blackwell out. People (not you) still defend Blackwell - one of the most clueless managers in the history of football given the resources a total inability to build squads. I really do despise what that bloke did to SUFC.

All I ask in a side is a bit of pace and 2 midfielders who can receive a ball under pressure and give it - maybe sideways, but if there's pace in a side you have chance.

 

[judge]

I remember the wembley Play off performance v palace being much worse and I wouldn't label Kendall as a lover of the hoof

 

[JJ Sefton]

Yes - a disgusting failure. You see the performance at Wembley? And I reckon you would have had a chance of getting results with the money that obnoxious plank had.

Yes, I also saw the defeats at Wembley in 1993 and 1997, Cardiff in 2003, I wouldnt say that Bassett, Kendall or Warnock were failures.

And youre missing a vital fact; Blackwell got us to Wembley.

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Maybe not but if you are right, why all the abuse when people were saying sack Blackwell, sack Alehouse? I was told that the grass is not always greener, stability is required. It isn't and at last we have a sensible manager.

People wanting stability is not the same as people loving the hoof.

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comical stuff - you obviously don't see many games Darren.

Would you care to give a breakdown of where, exactly, the Dazzlers post is incorrect?

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These people are lovers of the reasons we are a 3rd tier side

And yet you have not produced one single solitary bit evidence to back this claim up.

 

[alcoblade]

Long ball, kick-and-rush football passed away two decades ago

Along with Stoke City?

Don't let the facts get in your way of continually proving yourself wrong on public forum.

UTB

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post: 363680"]The rot was set before Blackwell came in, with Robson and Robinson embarking on the biggest spending spree and leaving a legacy where the Blades would be skint for a few years. Blackwell whilst not playing the most attractive style of football, kept us from slipping from more quickly than we might have done otherwise.

I agree here, but my word was his football difficult to watch. I expect pinchy's head to explode here as he tries to grapple with the notion of football not only being played at opposite ends of a spectrum.

UTB

 

[DuncDisorderly]

Great Standard Bearer: Dunc Disorderly

I'm really very flattered Pinchy, but the truth is... I like us to beat the other team, and I think this is more important than the exact style that we play. I can forgive the style. Winning is what the game is about. No matter what you say, Blackwell had a team geared to a style that may not have been terribly attractive, but it was effective at getting points on the board.

Having said that he should have had his resignation accepted after the POF, I am pretty convinced that had the board had the bollocks to keep him to the end of the season instead of sacking him, we wouldn't be in L1 now. He would have kept us up. Scrappy, unattractive football, yes. 60pts for sure, yes. Funny how you 'connoisseurs of the beautiful game' blame Blackwell for setting us on the road to relegation and celebrated his departure like it was the death of the Devil incarnate, when actually it was getting rid of him and trying to change style to appease you that actually sent us on our way, there I said it (imho).

Serendipity was mentioned earlier in the thread, and it may well be that the relegation and the success that we are now enjoying(and footballing Gods willing) continue to enjoy is going to re-unite the support after four or five years of division since the whole 'relegation from the PL' thing, which I think has cast a very long shadow over the club since.

So maybe this fall to the lower leagues is a blessing in disguise, but as I've accused you previously, you appear to see an infinate shade of greys and describe them as black or white...

 

[Pinchy]

Dunc,

As ever you mount an intelligent argument. Ultimately though, the winners are (not surprisingly) the best footballers and the best footballers play pass and move - not kick and rush. This applies at all level of the game - witness Brighton and Soton rightly winning the league last season.

Reductio ad absurdum, pitch the 11 best players in the world against the 11 fittest, most committed, ultra-determined hoofers: The referee would be stopping the game after 60 minutes of futile shadow-chasing by the hoofers, to save them from further punishment.

Why do you think Barcelona play as they do?

Oh and Alco,

You've cited Stoke City many times: My reply is the same as ever. They play far better football than anyone gives them credit for. They pass the ball very tidily indeed. Whelan, Etherington, Pennant, Whitehead, Fuller, Palacios - Hoofers all? They are several classes above anything we produced on our last flirtation with the top flight.

 

[alcoblade]

You've cited Stoke City many times: My reply is the same as ever. They play far better football than anyone gives them credit for. They pass the ball very tidily indeed. Whelan, Etherington, Pennant, Whitehead, Fuller, Palacios - Hoofers all? They are several classes above anything we produced on our last flirtation with the top flight.

If you don't acknowledge that they play a brand of football that you would otherwise brand as hoof then any credibiltity your argument had evaporates.

They play a very direct brand of football (hoof), do it well, it's successful and has brought them more customers than any other brand of football has. It without doubt proves that direct football can still be successful, if done the right way. As can any other brand, if done the right way.

If your point is that they're good at what they do so it doesn't count, then are you seriously suggesting that the mythical group of fans that you obsess over favour a direct style of football, but one that's ineffective?

If it wouldn't get me banned, I'd suggest this is conclusive proof that you're talking bollocks. But it will, so I wont.



UTB

 

[Pinchy]

I don't want anyone banned on account of me and never have. If you dish it out you have to take it as well!

You :heart: Hoofing.

 

[boo radley]

I don't want anyone banned on account of me and never have. If you dish it out you have to take it as well!

You :heart: Hoofing.

Hmmm seems you now have Helsinki syndrome, as in Helsinki Sweden!

Which player will be next for you?

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If you don't acknowledge that they play a brand of football that you would otherwise brand as hoof then any credibiltity your argument had evaporates.

They play a very direct brand of football (hoof), do it well, it's successful and has brought them more customers than any other brand of football has. It without doubt proves that direct football can still be successful, if done the right way. As can any other brand, if done the right way.

If your point is that they're good at what they do so it doesn't count, then are you seriously suggesting that the mythical group of fans that you obsess over favour a direct style of football, but one that's ineffective?

If it wouldn't get me banned, I'd suggest this is conclusive proof that you're talking bollocks. But it will, so I wont.



UTB

That is so well put, The voices in his head must have increased ten fold:nod:

 

[Micalijo]

Yes, I also saw the defeats at Wembley in 1993 and 1997, Cardiff in 2003, I wouldnt say that Bassett, Kendall or Warnock were failures.

And youre missing a vital fact; Blackwell got us to Wembley.

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People wanting stability is not the same as people loving the hoof.

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Would you care to give a breakdown of where, exactly, the Dazzlers post is incorrect?

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And yet you have not produced one single solitary bit evidence to back this claim up.

The evidence is in the league tables which say we are in 3rd tier and in the accounts which say Blackwell blew millions of pounds on building the squad that got us there. Why the obsession with evidence? It's a bleedin forum not a court, my opinion is that pound for pound Blackwell is one of the worst managers in the history of professional football. Obviously the stats are there and obviously he took us to Wembley but yiou lot clapped us to relegation, simple as that as in my eyes.

 

[Revolution]

My Blackwell take:

2007/8 - did an excellent job
2008/9 - did a very good job in difficult circumstances, though his tactical naivety was a big factor in missing promotion. I may not have accepted his resignation but sure as hell wouldn't have extended his contract
2009/10 - did a decent job in even more difficult circumstances, though the football was poor
2010/11 - had an absolute train wreck of a close season: dismal personnel recruitment a major factor in our relegation and the only problem I had with his firing was it should have happened after the last game of the previous year

 

[JJ Sefton]

Why the obsession with evidence?

Cant imagine.

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...yiou lot clapped us to relegation...

What lot? I didnt clap us to relegation. Did anyone else?

 

[sitwell]

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ wake me up when september ends.

 

[boo radley]

The evidence is in the league tables which say we are in 3rd tier and in the accounts which say Blackwell blew millions of pounds on building the squad that got us there. Why the obsession with evidence? It's a bleedin forum not a court, my opinion is that pound for pound Blackwell is one of the worst managers in the history of professional football. Obviously the stats are there and obviously he took us to Wembley but yiou lot clapped us to relegation, simple as that as in my eyes.

What a load of tosh. I'm sure someone else will come and point out about Blackwells win ratio and all that. So you dont want a court. The accounts will not say 'Blackwell blew millions' they will give figures and will not show personal accoutability. So then that becomes your opinion of your interpretation of the accounts,ie no court evidence. it will not show how the club came to a descision about buying a player or selling a player.
I did not like the Blackwell brand although one of the most memorable games was the play off semi against Preston, I dont think I have ever seen us dominate a team so much as that night and the passing was superb.

One question did you want Warnock out?

 

[Pinchy]

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ wake me up when september ends.

Why so sleepy? Are you watching your video of the play-off final again?

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What a load of tosh. I'm sure someone else will come and point out about Blackwells win ratio and all that. So you dont want a court. The accounts will not say 'Blackwell blew millions' they will give figures and will not show personal accoutability. So then that becomes your opinion of your interpretation of the accounts,ie no court evidence. it will not show how the club came to a descision about buying a player or selling a player.
I did not like the Blackwell brand although one of the most memorable games was the play off semi against Preston, I dont think I have ever seen us dominate a team so much as that night and the passing was superb.

One question did you want Warnock out?

Warnock, like his erstwhile sidekick, should have been sacked a year earlier than he was. He was out of his depth on the Prem and it cost us dear,

Have you heard our star player's views on Blacko, Quickfix and Hoofball yet? Do you agree with him?

 

[boo radley]

Why so sleepy? Are you watching your video of the play-off final again?

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Warnock, like his erstwhile sidekick, should have been sacked a year earlier than he was. He was out of his depth on the Prem and it cost us dear,

Have you heard our star player's views on Blacko, Quickfix and Hoofball yet? Do you agree with him?

You first check earlier and you may answer my question.

Then i may answer yours

 

[Pinchy]

You first check earlier and you may answer my question.

Then i may answer yours

The next player? I haven't finished with The Maestro yet!

I doubt that there will be one. Its extremely unlikely that a sensible manager who has proper football at the very heart of his philosophy will have a non-footballer as an immovable and permanent fixture in his team.

Why are you all so reluctant to acknowledge Quinny's withering comments on kick-and-rush, long ball garbage?