The Lunatics have taken over

[judge]

I hate the break the news to many of you who seem to take as much relish from slagging our support, as those who moan all the time take from slagging off the team, but we aren't anything out of ordinary when it comes to fickleness, grumpyness and mardyness in the stands. Far from it in fact.

thats allright then

 

[matth]

Booing and abusing our players damages their confidence and their performance. It won't improve things. So why do it?

And I'd still love to see someone give me some concrete evidence of this.

 

[judge]

And I'd still love to see someone give me some concrete evidence of this.

are you for real ?

 

[matth]

Very much so.

 

[boo radley]

Very much so.

Let me come and watch you work - critisise and slag you off and call you a looser -Would you like it?

 

[matth]

I'm asking for concrete evidence that the crowd can make a difference to the way a football team plays, not half-baked ideas of yours about calling me a 'looser' (sic).

 

[boo radley]

Its all about opinions, I have also booed them off collectively having felt I have wasted my hard earned cash on a bunch of losers. I have also shouted out what an awful pass etc.

However I believe this isn't abuse its a release of pent up frustration. The minority who booed a player before he had even kicked a ball, well what can I add to whats already been said.

pent up frustration we all get, what an awful pass is a generalisation. but to constantly aim abuse at a player or boo that player off is wrong.
In any line of work are you likely to get a better responce if you praise - or at least not put the person in a position where he wont like comming to work and just wants to get out of the place when his shift is done?

 

[boo radley]

I'm asking for concrete evidence that the crowd can make a difference to the way a football team plays, not half-baked ideas of yours about calling me a 'looser' (sic).

look at home records of any club since football began the support for the home team is generally positive, any home team has won more than they have on the road.
that is now in to two centuries of evidence.
Out of 18 world cup tounament held so far 7 countries have won the world cup
6 OF THESE WINNERS HAVE WON ON HOME SOIL WITH HOME SUPPORT.
you'll be telling me next a clear sky is'nt blue and grass is'nt green.

 

[matth]

No, I'm asking for a scientifically sound study into the effects of a crowd on the performance of a team of sportspeople, not little fragments that you'd pulled out of the air with no evidence, or the flimsiest of circumstantial premises.

Because I've never seen any. At all. Ever.

The atmosphere at the match against the Pigs was one of the best I've encountered, and the performance in the second half was still sub-mediocre. How does this fit into your paradigm?

I can appreciate it's a tough question to answer, but really all I'm asking for is solid evidence that the vocal behaviour of the crowd can actually swing a match one way or another.

Edit: another point occurs. If, as you say, in 18 World Cup finals, 6 teams have won on home soil with this 'home advantage' that you mention, that surely means that 12 teams have won away from home, without the 'home advantage'. How does your theory support this?

 

[Trevor Hockey]

If booing worked we'd have been champions under Robson

 

[Asaba/Djaffo]

Let me come and watch you work - critisise and slag you off and call you a looser -Would you like it?

From 300 yards away, yeah crack on.

Ill tell you how much i can hear afterwards.

 

[lenners]

Yes, showing displeasure is wrong.
Why oh why those fans forced Robson out, I'll never know. They booed him, they demonstrated against him, it was all so wrong.
If only they'd got behind him.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

Here's one from America:

http://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar...cholar.google.com/&output=viewport&pg=1&hl=en

Here's another that is very much concentrated on football in England:

http://www.jstor.org/pss/2348899

Here's one based in Basketball giving analysis of booing and performance:

http://www.jstor.org/pss/3033796

Home advantage phenomenon seems to be taken as read in most of these articles, most citing research by Schwartz & Barsky, 1977 and Courneya & Carron, 1992 to prove it.

 

[matth]

Thank you SEB - I'll have a read of those.

 

[boo radley]

From 300 yards away, yeah crack on.

Ill tell you how much i can hear afterwards.

was anyone in bdtbl 300 yrds away from anyone else last night?

 

[boo radley]

Thank you SEB - I'll have a read of those.

so the grass is green and the sky blue?

 

[happyhippy]

If booing worked we'd have been champions under Robson

Double winners under Heath!

 

[oldblade]

The atmosphere at the match against the Pigs was one of the best I've encountered, and the performance in the second half was still sub-mediocre. How does this fit into your paradigm?

In the first half we were very noisy and supportive, but it has to be said that during the second half for long periods we were pretty quiet. That is until the last 10 minutes or so. And (coincidentally?) it seemed to me the team's performance improved over the closing stages of the game.

 

[Pollingtonblade]

Its all about opinions Brownie, in our promotion season you regularly called for Warnocks head. You also was the one calling for Robsons head, despite his piss poor record he still has 'some' support however misguided, many people don't like the piss poor brand of football we play. I do agree with your point re people who have only just started supporting us but the club informs us of it's desire for Prem football and accordingly we attract the sort of fan who 'wants it now' all I want is to be entertained and quite frankly we can barely string 3 passes together. A lot of people who were pissed off last night were also people who like you and I have been going for year.

It's frustrating cos I think we will do enough to reach the play offs and we all know how that ends. With that extra bit of class we could be top 2.

But hey- ho.

 

[happyhippy]

Its all about opinions Brownie, in our promotion season you regularly called for Warnocks head.

As I recall, it was verbally sent back for a season too

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

Didn't make it down for the game, but it was reported on the TV in the gym that Glen Little was booed before he came on the pitch. Walked off in disgust at that point.

The one thing that genuinely will drive me away from United is the constant negativity. It seems acutely bad in the last couple of seasons. As a lad in his mid twenties I just can't be arsed hanging around with a bunch of miserable bastards all the time - I'm not far off not renewing and packing it all in. Maybe because I live out of Sheffield I can get a bit of perspective on things now and again.

I've lived in leeds since 1969 mate, stick at it and in the end ........you'll still finish up feeling the same!!!

I work on Town Street in Stanningley so I'll give you a wave on the way in.

My company HQ is in Reading and they have a box at the Madejski. Our chairman was up on Tuesday and he says he loves coming to the Lane - proper football ground with a proper football crowd...

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

No, I'm asking for a scientifically sound study into the effects of a crowd on the performance of a team of sportspeople, not little fragments that you'd pulled out of the air with no evidence, or the flimsiest of circumstantial premises.

Because I've never seen any. At all. Ever.

The atmosphere at the match against the Pigs was one of the best I've encountered, and the performance in the second half was still sub-mediocre. How does this fit into your paradigm?

I can appreciate it's a tough question to answer, but really all I'm asking for is solid evidence that the vocal behaviour of the crowd can actually swing a match one way or another.

Edit: another point occurs. If, as you say, in 18 World Cup finals, 6 teams have won on home soil with this 'home advantage' that you mention, that surely means that 12 teams have won away from home, without the 'home advantage'. How does your theory support this?

I think he means that only 7 teams have ever won any of the World Cups and only one team won the cup when not held in their own country - I think...

 

[matth]

so the grass is green and the sky blue?

The sky is black. It's gas molecules in the atmosphere that scatter the light from the sun that make it look blue, due to Rayleigh scattering. The chlorophyll in grass is green though, I'll grant you that

I haven't had chance to read the articles yet, but once I have done so - hopefully this weekend - I'll get back to you on it. Cheers.

 

[boo radley]

The sky is black. It's gas molecules in the atmosphere that scatter the light from the sun that make it look blue, due to Rayleigh scattering. The chlorophyll in grass is green though, I'll grant you that

Lets bend everything round to suit our own aims. Debate to avoid answering questions directly or addmitting you were wrong.
if you want to go deep into world cup history do it yourself but just a couple on the surface - A crap German side reached the final when last held in Germany. How well did those so called second tier international sides do Japan and Korea when held in their country? What about the USA in 94?
in the words of Blackadder you have more twists and turns than a twisty turny thing!

 

[matth]

I was having a joke about the sky and the grass, mate. Chill out. I'm not bending anything to suit my own aims - I thanked SEB for providing links to academic research about home advantage, and as I've said I'll read it properly this weekend - I wouldn't want to jump to conclusions without thorougly weighing up the evidence. I'll leave that to you.

 

[Worksop II]

"A crap German side reached the final when last held in Germany"

The 2006 World Cup Final was contested by Italy and France

 

[boo radley]

The sky is black. It's gas molecules in the atmosphere that scatter the light from the sun that make it look blue, due to Rayleigh scattering. The chlorophyll in grass is green though, I'll grant you that

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/General/BlueSky/blue_sky.html:p

 

[matth]

I don't want to get into a pointless side argument with you, but what are you trying to prove with that? It actually supports what I said about Rayleigh scattering making the sky appear blue.

If there were no atmosphere, the sky would appear black with stars constantly visible. This is basic, GCSE science - it's not complex.

I'm not going to bother arguing with you anymore, but once I've studied the documents about HA that SEB provided, I'll post my response.

 

[Bramley]

I've lived in leeds since 1969 mate, stick at it and in the end ........you'll still finish up feeling the same!!!

I work on Town Street in Stanningley so I'll give you a wave on the way in.

My company HQ is in Reading and they have a box at the Madejski. Our chairman was up on Tuesday and he says he loves coming to the Lane - proper football ground with a proper football crowd...

Ah right, I live just up the hill from Bramley Railway station, got a mate living up in Stanningley though. See loads of Blades Stickers around and about in Leeds.

 

[boo radley]

"A crap German side reached the final when last held in Germany"

The 2006 World Cup Final was contested by Italy and France

sorry meant to say reached semi final