The John Brayford Debate

[McGrath]

I know this is an ongoing debate, some want to keep him, some would let him go. But I thought I'd post this article as it sounds like he was running through brick walls for Burton ...

http://m.burtonmail.co.uk/why-jacks...-of-the-year/story-30330653-detail/story.html

" He turned down the chance to be carried off on a stretcher in the dying moments of the 1-1 draw at Barnsley that secured Albion's safety after making a crucial last-gasp tackle, while he provided a similar reaction in the 2-1 win at Rotherham United after clashing with Chris O'Grady, before whipping in a cross for Irvine to power a header home. "

I'd keep him me self. He's Championship class

 

[gavtheblade]

His legs are made of honeycomb.

 

[Grecian2000]

Chris Wilder was going to join the debate but sent Mick Rooker instead . . .

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

McGrath can you edit this post and make it a poll: keep him or sell him?

I'm personally all for keeping him. He was brilliant in an expansive side whilst on loan, then he was injured and returned to a very disjointed, bloody awful side. Wilder shipped him out for financial reasons as much as owt, but we are now an exciting side again and he'll have quality around him once more. He's championship quality, last season at Burton proves that, and we're going to need all the squad depth and quality we can get next year, so it's absolutely a yes from me. If Wilder can get transfer listed, disillusioned players fighting for the shirt last season, I have no doubt he can get performances out of Brayford who gave his all once before. UTB.

 

[McGrath]

His legs are made of honeycomb.

Didn't seem to stop him keeping Burton up though did it

 

[TJB.]

If rumour is to be believed (I say rumour because I can't recall any official confirmation...correct me if I'm wrong), Brayford was sent there because his wage was astronomically high for a third tier club and Burton agreed to pay that over the course of the loan, thus freeing up funds for us.

The 99% of us not ITK can only speculate as to what that wage might be. However, going on how badly we were being run at the time and how much he cost to buy, I wouldn't be surprised if his wages were completely out of line with the wage structure that Wilder has brought in. If that's the case, I'd imagine he'll be sold, as he's hardly going to sign a new deal on even further reduced terms to those which he initially signed on.

As that article says, he'll run through brick walls on his day. We know he can be a hard worker and we know how good he can be. I think we'd be mad not to keep him around if it's possible, but if he's on 1/3 higher wages than the rest of the lads then it's an absolute non-starter, frankly.

 

[McGrath]

If rumour is to be believed (I say rumour because I can't recall any official confirmation...correct me if I'm wrong), Brayford was sent there because his wage was astronomically high for a third tier club and Burton agreed to pay that over the course of the loan, thus freeing up funds for us.

The 99% of us not ITK can only speculate as to what that wage might be. However, going on how badly we were being run at the time and how much he cost to buy, I wouldn't be surprised if his wages were completely out of line with the wage structure that Wilder has brought in. If that's the case, I'd imagine he'll be sold, as he's hardly going to sign a new deal on even further reduced terms to those which he initially signed on.

As that article says, he'll run through brick walls on his day. We know he can be a hard worker and we know how good he can be. I think we'd be mad not to keep him around if it's possible, but if he's on 1/3 higher wages than the rest of the lads then it's an absolute non-starter, frankly.

Makes you wonder what Burton were paying him or what proportion of his wages they were. It's hard to see how they could afford his full wages.

Hope he stays, on the right pay. Although that article states he was on a restricted training regime due to injuries at Burton, which makes me think that he might be a Wilder sort if player

 

[McGrath]

McGrath can you edit this post and make it a poll: keep him or sell him?

I'm personally all for keeping him. He was brilliant in an expansive side whilst on loan, then he was injured and returned to a very disjointed, bloody awful side. Wilder shipped him out for financial reasons as much as owt, but we are now an exciting side again and he'll have quality around him once more. He's championship quality, last season at Burton proves that, and we're going to need all the squad depth and quality we can get next year, so it's absolutely a yes from me. If Wilder can get transfer listed, disillusioned players fighting for the shirt last season, I have no doubt he can get performances out of Brayford who gave his all once before. UTB.

Is it possible to add a Poll now? If so let us know how.

My time window to edit thr original post has expired. But I don't start Threads too often so it might be I need some education!

 

[Kempy]

It's got to be a yes surely? Brayford offers solid championship experience. A very solid championship pro who offers excellent attacking and defensive options.

He can also play at CB as part of a three offering much needed pace and positional sense (something I fear we lack at the back without Jake Wright marshalling them all) in that area.

I'd be very surprised if Burton could afford the full wage packet offered by us to Brayford and feel it was most likely only a proportion of it they paid last season. Going up to the championship should give us the finances to comfortably cover his pay package.

Just because he's not been here this season and went back to clough seems to have the vocal minority on his back? Why? If anything he helped us by agreeing to go over there to free up wages to get us out of that shithole of a division?

Get him in the squad again, his confidence will rocket with the morale in the squad we currently have. A confident John Brayford flying up and down the wing is a sight I want to see back. If not, see how he does at right cb, him and freeman on the right hand side offers plenty of attacking options, with pace and stamina to boot. Brayford can pick up the pieces of freeman bombing on for another hoard of goals next season.

Silly to sell him unless a stupid offer comes in.

 

[Paulus]

Makes you wonder what Burton were paying him or what proportion of his wages they were. It's hard to see how they could afford his full wages.

Hope he stays, on the right pay. Although that article states he was on a restricted training regime due to injuries at Burton, which makes me think that he might be a Wilder sort if player

I suspect Burton rationalised his wage cost as being a part payment in keeping Clough happy. On Brayford in general as is said above I and the vast majority of people on here are not ITK re his contract terms or options but it does surprise me that some people are so negative about him - he is clearly a player comfortable at Championship level and, unless people have forgetten, the struggles he had with his knee came as a direct result of putting his body on the line in the heart of our defence. There was never a question about his attitude or commitment to our cause as far as I was concerned.

 

[TJB.]

Makes you wonder what Burton were paying him or what proportion of his wages they were. It's hard to see how they could afford his full wages.

I've no idea what the finances of Burton Albion are like. They could well afford the lot, for all I know. It'd be interesting to know what the split was, as you say.

Speaking of Burton, if they stay up another season don't they have to convert the three terraced sides to seating? That can't be cheap!

 

[SuperBobbyHatton]

I would keep him as he is a championship player and has the experience that we will need next season.

 

[String]

I know this is an ongoing debate, some want to keep him, some would let him go. But I thought I'd post this article as it sounds like he was running through brick walls for Burton ...

http://m.burtonmail.co.uk/why-jacks...-of-the-year/story-30330653-detail/story.html

" He turned down the chance to be carried off on a stretcher in the dying moments of the 1-1 draw at Barnsley that secured Albion's safety after making a crucial last-gasp tackle, while he provided a similar reaction in the 2-1 win at Rotherham United after clashing with Chris O'Grady, before whipping in a cross for Irvine to power a header home. "

I'd keep him me self. He's Championship class

Id also keep him, I'm a big fan, BUT I understand he has been playing the whole season on painkilling injections. Ive also been reliable informed that he wants to stay at Burton, but this is also slightly complicated by the possibility of having a close season operation on the injury. Therefore the most likely outcome is Brayford having an operation when he gets back from holiday and rehabilitating himself at the Academy over summer through the start of the season. I believe Clough will then come back in for him in the JTW when his value will have decreased further and all his rehab will have been done at the Lane with better facilities and fitness conditioners. Win win for Burton, and a loss for United in my view but I dont think the player wants to be at the Lane anymore.

 

[Student Blade]

I know this is an ongoing debate, some want to keep him, some would let him go. But I thought I'd post this article as it sounds like he was running through brick walls for Burton ...

http://m.burtonmail.co.uk/why-jacks...-of-the-year/story-30330653-detail/story.html

" He turned down the chance to be carried off on a stretcher in the dying moments of the 1-1 draw at Barnsley that secured Albion's safety after making a crucial last-gasp tackle, while he provided a similar reaction in the 2-1 win at Rotherham United after clashing with Chris O'Grady, before whipping in a cross for Irvine to power a header home. "

I'd keep him me self. He's Championship class

Id keep him if he wants to play for us. He's clearly a heart on the sleeve kind of player and if hes just half arsing the season then i wont be too upset if we let him go.

 

[S64 Blade]

It'll probably boil down to if we are willing to pay his new wage package, now we are in the Championship.

 

[snootyfenooty]

As that article says, he'll run through brick walls on his day. We know he can be a hard worker and we know how good he can be. I think we'd be mad not to keep him around if it's possible, but if he's on 1/3 higher wages than the rest of the lads then it's an absolute non-starter, frankly.

In any team there's going to be a disparity in the wages. At United at present I reckon there's a spread between £3k and £10k per week. That means some players are being paid 3x some of the others. If someone is on 1/3 more than another, then that is insignificant.

What will upset the applecart is if a clique of players are parachuted in on £50k per week a la pigs, way out of the salary range of the rest of the squad, then you will have a major problem within the team. This is not the situation with United and Brayford, he's on about the same as Sharp & Coutts. This is completely normal with your senior (and best) players.

 

[McGrath]

I've no idea what the finances of Burton Albion are like. They could well afford the lot, for all I know. It'd be interesting to know what the split was, as you say.

Speaking of Burton, if they stay up another season don't they have to convert the three terraced sides to seating? That can't be cheap!

What on earth would their capacity be then... It's not even 7k now.

That in mind... I think we can safely assume their financial clout isn't the same as our financial clout. As far as I know they have no really wealthy backer

 

[DronnieBlade]

The reality of the situation is that JB can not pass a medical.

So he's either loaned out again, with Burton being the likely destination, or he stays here and competes for a shirt.

UTB

 

[Rodders]

Personally I think his knees are done for him to be the marauding full back he was; but he'd be good enough as CB cover.

 

[yorkshirecoast]

I've no idea what the finances of Burton Albion are like. They could well afford the lot, for all I know. It'd be interesting to know what the split was, as you say.

Speaking of Burton, if they stay up another season don't they have to convert the three terraced sides to seating? That can't be cheap!

Please tell me Burton fkin Albion don't pay higher wages than us

 

[NotFallowfieldBlade]

Sorry but I don't get all this hate brayford gets , he was easily our best player when he got crippled by that Swindon player . He was made into a cult hero by the fans not by him.

And regarding injuries he's literally just played a full season injury free playing every match , whilst winning the player of the year burton , we would be mental not to bring him back we need cover at RB and CB and that's where he plays

 

[Harry's Game]

No time for him, engineered a move to United by brown nosing on twitter when he should have been concentrating on playing for Cardiff, and then lo and behold as soon as Clough was despatched he didn't want to know or even seem to try for us.

Leave him to fight another relegation battle at Burton.

 

[NotFallowfieldBlade]

No time for him, engineered a move to United by brown nosing on twitter when he should have been concentrating on playing for Cardiff, and then lo and behold as soon as Clough was despatched he didn't want to know or even seem to try for us.

Leave him to fight another relegation battle at Burton.

Not sure why you think this not brayfords fault he got crippled for a season is it, fans are fickle

 

[Bladesthorpe]

No time for him, engineered a move to United by brown nosing on twitter when he should have been concentrating on playing for Cardiff, and then lo and behold as soon as Clough was despatched he didn't want to know or even seem to try for us.

Leave him to fight another relegation battle at Burton.

He was moved on to free up wages to sign certain players to get us promoted, it worked. We now need proven players with championship experience, John Brayford is one of these and we would be mad not to keep him.

 

[Ricky]

And regarding injuries he's literally just played a full season injury free playing every match , whilst winning the player of the year burton , we would be mental not to bring him back we need cover at RB and CB and that's where he plays

That's not quite literally right is it. He played 36 league games and was runner up to Jackson Irvine for player of the year.


All these 'mad not to keep him' comments annoy me. What if we could get someone younger and fitter who plays the same positions, whilst saving money at the same time?

Wilder will know exactly what he wants to do with Brayford, he'll know the options. I'm confident we'll try move him on.

 

[Tezza1889]

As for wages the current team will understand that his contract was given by the previous manager, so there should't be an issue as all of them will have experienced that before at some time, then there's desire, nobody who saw him get his head almost took off at Bolton on the first day would doubt that... question, did anybody look good early on in the season, especially first 4 games..

Finally, we keep him to help keep us up, add another year to the contract, clough gets a bigger job and guess who he comes knocking for.... cash back.. ahaaa.

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

That's not quite literally right is it. He played 36 league games and was runner up to Jackson Irvine for player of the year.


All these 'mad not to keep him' comments annoy me. What if we could get someone younger and fitter who plays the same positions, whilst saving money at the same time?

Wilder will know exactly what he wants to do with Brayford, he'll know the options. I'm confident we'll try move him on.

As long as that is the trade off though, then I'm not sure many would grumble. I think many recognise that we potentially have a quality player on our books though and don't want to see him go without being adequately replaced. As has been said, we're going to need all the championship level squad depth we can get, he's proven at that level and can cover a couple of positions.

 

[FMBlade1]

I would guess that players have promotion wage increase clauses written into their contracts. Would that apply to JB as well? If so then he will be on a disproportionate amount, if not then he'll be roughly in line with the rest of the squad.

I'd like to keep him if his attitude and fitness is there, think how much it would cost to get someone of the same calibre in.

 

[coolhandluke]

Is there really a discussion to be had here ? Brayfords not been put on the transfer list , wilders had a chat with him , he's our player next season . Its whos going to line up with Brayford and O'connell at the back that interests me .

 

[mancunianblade]

I thought it was common knowledge we were paying half his wages last season as Burton couldn't afford the full wage.. I think it was Biggs that tweeted this.

As for his Injuries is he as bad as people make out? He had the bad knee injury which I will always hold McEveley responsible for but other than that he managed 33 games for Burton last season.. don't understand what evidence people have for writing off a 29 year old?