Thanks Danny

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Yes, because you can't keep a player when a club from a higher division makes an offer.
It's simply impossible to do it, apparently.

What would you do?

You're on £3K/week and someone offers you £12K/week.

I'd like to see someone turn down the pigs for £416K/year extra [don't forget you're already banking £156K/year] or £1.248M if they dangle a three year contract in front of your nose.

Clubs that can't match wages have no chance of keeping a player.

Think we were crap on Tuesday against Crawley, imagine having 3/4 players in the team that you are forcing to see out their contracts.

Get real.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

What would you do?

You're on £3K/week and someone offers you £12K/week.

I'd like to see someone turn down the pigs for £416K/year extra [don't forget you're already banking £156K/year] or £1.248M if they dangle a three year contract in front of your nose.

Clubs that can't match wages have no chance of keeping a player.

Think we were crap on Tuesday against Crawley, imagine having 3/4 players in the team that you are forcing to see out their contracts.

Get real.

You’re assuming that every player in the club would simply stop trying if an offer for them was refused.
How high does the offer have to be before that comes into play? Who decides what’s an acceptable offer, the player or the club?
Must we accept every offer that’s put on the table because if we don’t the player will refuse to give his best?

We refused an offer for Quinn last season and Jagielka a few seasons before (the only occasions I can think of where we’ve done so).
Neither stopped trying. Both were voted among the best players in the League by their peers.
If a player stops trying, his dream move to an higher league and bigger wages is likely to never materialise.
If he keeps giving his best, there may be bigger and better offers on the table further down the line (e.g. Everton and Hull rather than Wigan and Blackpool).

Oddly enough, I would rather have a contracted player like Blackman trying to impress Premiership scouts than a short-term fix like Robson “giving his all”.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

You’re assuming that every player in the club would simply stop trying if an offer for them was refused.
How high does the offer have to be before that comes into play? Who decides what’s an acceptable offer, the player or the club?
Must we accept every offer that’s put on the table because if we don’t the player will refuse to give his best?

We refused an offer for Quinn last season and Jagielka a few seasons before (the only occasions I can think of where we’ve done so).
Neither stopped trying. Both were voted among the best players in the League by their peers.
If a player stops trying, his dream move to an higher league and bigger wages is likely to never materialise.
If he keeps giving his best, there may be bigger and better offers on the table further down the line (e.g. Everton and Hull rather than Wigan and Blackpool).

Oddly enough, I would rather have a contracted player like Blackman trying to impress Premiership scouts than a short-term fix like Robson “giving his all”.

How niave.

You really think someone would be happy missing out on £417,000.00?

Next week the guy could break his leg and never get an offer like that again.

Don't forget how many of his 'mates' that he's come through the ranks with [and no doubt some will have been better than him in his mind] will be cleaning windows or driving a white van because they have been cast aside by the football industry.

Like I said, find me a Blade who would turn a contract down at the pigs that offered them over £1,200,000.00.

Don't mention Hagan; they were all on roughly the same wages back then and a maximum wage was in position. £11/week or £1716.00 over 3 years.

 

[Pinchy]

For all the plaudits for attractive football last season and complaints of negative football this season, we are in the still in the same place as when he took over. Who cares if its attractive as long as we win, no points in this game for looking good

Here we go again with the classical nonsense so beloved of the now disgraced 'We ❤ Hoof Brigade'.

Let's go through it one more time. The teams that play proper pass and move football succeed. They are the ones that win trophies. Apart from the anomalous, wretched and never to be repeated Wimbledon/Watford era it was ever thus and will always be so.

The reason is that it's basically a simple game. Pass the ball to a team-mate and move immediately into space to receive it again. When the opposition have it, press them hard and deny them room. It works very well. This is to be contrasted with a deliberate, long, high and hard agricultural kick of the football in the general direction of the opposition goal, in the hope that the next player to touch it will be a team-mate. This is known as Hoofball. It's rubbish. It's discredited. It's as dead as a Thatcher. Good teams have worked it out. They combat and overcome it with ease. Even Crawley Town can comfortably cope with it for half an hour or so. No-one except Dinosaur Dave, Semi-Pro and a few Neanderthal SUFC fans believe in it any more.

There is no valid Attractive Football v Winning Football debate to be had. It was won and lost many years ago. It lingers only in the backwaters of Sheffield 2 where the natives remember only Brian Deane and conveniently forget Jostein Flo and Paul Williams. The sad truth for the Disciples of Hoof [Doh!] is that attractive football is also the football that wins matches and trophies. Attractive Football and Winning Football are one and the same. They are twins. The ugly Wimble sisters no longer go to the ball.

Barcelona, Real Madrid and Bayern Munich, to name but three, have their choice of the elite of football players. They could, were they so inclined, recruit the hardest, most aggressive, most committed, most physical, most upanatem hoofers the world has ever seen. They haven't, they don't and they won't. That really tells us all we need to know.

Let's at least move into the 21st century. We can work on the decades later.

 

[yorkshirecoast]

If you hate "hoofball" Pinchy you must be pleased Wilson has gone. This season the general pattern has been a few sideways or backwards passes, which are invariably mis-controlled leading to a aimless hoof forward. On Tuesday night our sole tactic was to hoof it to Kitson, who then fell over.

As for the more general point of "hoof" v "passing game", it's not as black and white as you suggest. I'd much rather watch the pace, power and direct running style of Spurs than the mind-numbing over passing of many European teams.

For me the result comes first. Attacking and exciting football is a bonus - but that can mean 2 or 3 well made passes rather than 7 or 8 unnecessary ones.

 

[green blade]

DW did a good job last year no doubt and yes we played good football. This year when it was his team regardless he failed. This league is rubbish. Last year we also had Huddersfield, Charlton, Wednesday etc. this year with no one to beat what do we do. Dour football with no plan B. on Tuesday we have a left back at right back and the right back that he signed on the bench. I thought you made as few changes as you could. We make 2 when we could have made 1. Most teams have a policy of if you earn the shirt you keep it. Porter regardless of what we all may think long term earned it last Saturday and got dropped for an over weight striker who is more interested in getting into a scrap. How does that motivate anyone.
Thanks for last season in terms of football but we failed. This year the football has been shocking and I have been to nearly every game. Yes some wins but against what?
That does not mean I agree with what we have then just done but it is a fact.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Here we go again with the classical nonsense so beloved of the now disgraced 'We ❤ Hoof Brigade'.

Let's go through it one more time. The teams that play proper pass and move football succeed. They are the ones that win trophies. Apart from the anomalous, wretched and never to be repeated Wimbledon/Watford era it was ever thus and will always be so.

The reason is that it's basically a simple game. Pass the ball to a team-mate and move immediately into space to receive it again. When the opposition have it, press them hard and deny them room. It works very well. This is to be contrasted with a deliberate, long, high and hard agricultural kick of the football in the general direction of the opposition goal, in the hope that the next player to touch it will be a team-mate. This is known as Hoofball. It's rubbish. It's discredited. It's as dead as a Thatcher. Good teams have worked it out. They combat and overcome it with ease. Even Crawley Town can comfortably cope with it for half an hour or so. No-one except Dinosaur Dave, Semi-Pro and a few Neanderthal SUFC fans believe in it any more.

There is no valid Attractive Football v Winning Football debate to be had. It was won and lost many years ago. It lingers only in the backwaters of Sheffield 2 where the natives remember only Brian Deane and conveniently forget Jostein Flo and Paul Williams. The sad truth for the Disciples of Hoof [Doh!] is that attractive football is also the football that wins matches and trophies. Attractive Football and Winning Football are one and the same. They are twins. The ugly Wimble sisters no longer go to the ball.

Barcelona, Real Madrid and Bayern Munich, to name but three, have their choice of the elite of football players. They could, were they so inclined, recruit the hardest, most aggressive, most committed, most physical, most upanatem hoofers the world has ever seen. They haven't, they don't and they won't. That really tells us all we need to know.

Let's at least move into the 21st century. We can work on the decades later.

If your saying you want to today's equivilent of Woody/Salmons/Morris/Nuddy/Devlin running at the fullbacks then I'm with you.

Swansea - wake me up when the games over.

 

[Pinchy]

If you hate "hoofball" Pinchy you must be pleased Wilson has gone. This season the general pattern has been a few sideways or backwards passes, which are invariably mis-controlled leading to a aimless hoof forward. On Tuesday night our sole tactic was to hoof it to Kitson, who then fell over.

As for the more general point of "hoof" v "passing game", it's not as black and white as you suggest. I'd much rather watch the pace, power and direct running style of Spurs than the mind-numbing over passing of many European teams.

For me the result comes first. Attacking and exciting football is a bonus - but that can mean 2 or 3 well made passes rather than 7 or 8 unnecessary ones.

Of course. I agree with you, except that, at that level, what appears to you and I to be the un-necessary pass may well be one that unlocks space 50 yards away. Such intricacies are quite sophisticated and beyond the understanding of the Upanatem Brigade and the Evil Thatcherite Hoofists.

I like Spurs' football as well. Why wouldn't you? It's proper pass and move.

But again you perpetuate the fallacy and (deliberately, I suspect) miss the point. It's the exciting and attacking football that produces the results. It's the cause; not a bonus!

 

[Pinchy]

If your saying you want to today's equivilent of Woody/Salmons/Morris/Nuddy/Devlin running at the fullbacks then I'm with you.

Swansea - wake me up when the games over.

I'll gladly take either at the moment mate. But Yes, I do enjoy watching Swansea. They play, for me, delightful football, and you surely can't say it's not effective as well? Our lot wouldn't get a touch against then.

 

[bladesadviser]

Here we go again with the classical nonsense so beloved of the now disgraced 'We ❤ Hoof Brigade'.

Let's go through it one more time. The teams that play proper pass and move football succeed. They are the ones that win trophies. Apart from the anomalous, wretched and never to be repeated Wimbledon/Watford era it was ever thus and will always be so.

The reason is that it's basically a simple game. Pass the ball to a team-mate and move immediately into space to receive it again. When the opposition have it, press them hard and deny them room. It works very well. This is to be contrasted with a deliberate, long, high and hard agricultural kick of the football in the general direction of the opposition goal, in the hope that the next player to touch it will be a team-mate. This is known as Hoofball. It's rubbish. It's discredited. It's as dead as a Thatcher. Good teams have worked it out. They combat and overcome it with ease. Even Crawley Town can comfortably cope with it for half an hour or so. No-one except Dinosaur Dave, Semi-Pro and a few Neanderthal SUFC fans believe in it any more.

There is no valid Attractive Football v Winning Football debate to be had. It was won and lost many years ago. It lingers only in the backwaters of Sheffield 2 where the natives remember only Brian Deane and conveniently forget Jostein Flo and Paul Williams. The sad truth for the Disciples of Hoof [Doh!] is that attractive football is also the football that wins matches and trophies. Attractive Football and Winning Football are one and the same. They are twins. The ugly Wimble sisters no longer go to the ball.

Barcelona, Real Madrid and Bayern Munich, to name but three, have their choice of the elite of football players. They could, were they so inclined, recruit the hardest, most aggressive, most committed, most physical, most upanatem hoofers the world has ever seen. They haven't, they don't and they won't. That really tells us all we need to know.

Let's at least move into the 21st century. We can work on the decades later.

Pinchy my point was that we played really nice football last season, pass and move etc and we didn't go up. We are playing boring football season and we won't go up and Wilson has lost his job. Ultimately its a results business and two years on we are in the same league and no further on.

 

[ScoobBlade]

Pinchy my point was that we played really nice football last season, pass and move etc and we didn't go up. We are playing boring football season and we won't go up and Wilson has lost his job. Ultimately its a results business and two years on we are in the same league and no further on.

I'd like to see how we'll Swansea would've done if michu was banged up, or if manure would be prem champs if van persie had a court case hanging over him then banged up towards the end of the season. How would fergie then cope having Rooney break his leg the following season with van persie still doing porridge and being told "sorry Alex, we're selling nani, carrick and vidic but here's £0 to get some replacements. I'll be honest, I'm surprised Danny stuck with us for as long as he did

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

I'll gladly take either at the moment mate. But Yes, I do enjoy watching Swansea. They play, for me, delightful football, and you surely can't say it's not effective as well? Our lot wouldn't get a touch against then.

Watched Swansea against Bradford and at first I was impressed but after about 20 minutes nowt had happened and it got quite boring. Might be because Bradford were scared shit of getting close and never tackled?

Much rather see Dearne/Agana tearing down the channels.

 

[JohnDenver]

This is a pretty academic comment, but I've no doubt our propensity to play three sideways passes followed by a hoof isn't a tactic. It's a failure of the midfield to function, which is almost certainly down to a combination of various things.

Wilson's failing this season was in finding an answer to that question. Can anyone else solve it with these players? We may never find out if Morgan formalises a direct approach in the same way Blackwell did post-Robson.

 

[Junior Soduko]

The fact is is that Wilson hasn't failed at anything this season, the only thing Wilson has failed at, is not being top of the league with 5 games to go, which as we saw last season has no affect on where you finish after 46 games. Unfortunately we wont be able to judge Wilsons second season as a success or failure as he wasn't given a chance to finish his job.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

How niave.

You really think someone would be happy missing out on £417,000.00?

Next week the guy could break his leg and never get an offer like that again.

Don't forget how many of his 'mates' that he's come through the ranks with [and no doubt some will have been better than him in his mind] will be cleaning windows or driving a white van because they have been cast aside by the football industry.

Like I said, find me a Blade who would turn a contract down at the pigs that offered them over £1,200,000.00.

Don't mention Hagan; they were all on roughly the same wages back then and a maximum wage was in position. £11/week or £1716.00 over 3 years.

So if some Premiership clubs offers £50K each for Maguire and Long and promises to treble their wages. Do we accept the offer? How can we possibly refuse if it means keeping 2 unhappy players?
Where do you draw the line between doing what's best for the club and what's best for the player?
The logical conclusion of your argument is that no offer can ever be refused because the player won't like it.
Now that's naive.

 

[stannyblade]

Since we sold Blackman he seems to have gone to messi standard. Selling him isn't the reason we won't go up this year

 

[Guesty]

I'll gladly take either at the moment mate. But Yes, I do enjoy watching Swansea. They play, for me, delightful football, and you surely can't say it's not effective as well? Our lot wouldn't get a touch against then.

I'm not the 'proper football' purist you are but I agree, how anyone can not enjoy watching Swansea is beyond me. Michu, Dyer, Routledge and I think the real gem in the side, Jonathan De Guzman pull teams apart on their day. Plus they're managed by one of my favourite players to watch ever, Danish legend and Jaime Lannister lookalike Michael Laudrup.

 

[raul]

Trouble is many people associate "passing" football with rolling it across the back four until all is lost and it's humped forward (as an aside tbbm on Tuesday spent most of the evening urging Hill to hit it forwards then when it was immediatley repelled howled" what was that for??") and would prefer to see a more all-action game.

It's a dichotomy in name only and people should not wed themselves in one camp or the other. A good example of how a third division side can play was out there on Tuesday night. Incapable of stringing xty passes together over a period of minutes, neither did they just bludgeon the ball towards a totemic centre forward. Now, they clearly don't perform like that every week or they'd be above us, but I was impressed with their desire, workrate, passing, movement on and off the ball and their ability to break quickly and accurately. Another good example would be Yeovil.

That sort of approach, with players who are all capable of playing it, is what will both get us out of this league and ensure it wont be carnage in the one above.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

So if some Premiership clubs offers £50K each for Maguire and Long and promises to treble their wages. Do we accept the offer? How can we possibly refuse if it means keeping 2 unhappy players?
Where do you draw the line between doing what's best for the club and what's best for the player?
The logical conclusion of your argument is that no offer can ever be refused because the player won't like it.
Now that's naive.

A 50K offer would go to tribunal, thats what its there for. Now that's morre than naive.

If someone offered by club a resonable figure for me and it meant me looking at a £1M pay check then too right I'd be pissed off. Image the pressure your agent would be under to get you out of there.

Clubs have no say in players anymore unless they are offering the most. The club with the deepest pockets wins, simple.

 

[fishpie]

Thanks Danny for last season. It's been a long time since watching the Blades was such a pleasure, home and away. So nearly nailed it too, but for a freakish last few weeks. Despite that I genuinely thought it was the start of something good. So, we move on 12 months and it's a different experience altogether..Take your pick who's to blame., McCabe, the players or DW.? . DW's still in credit for me but there's no doubting the last few weeks, in particular, have been painful to watch..I suspect DW feels the same and so perhaps he's not the miracle worker I thought, for a moment, he was...And so we move on, again ..Good luck Chris Morgan and most of all Come On You Blades

 

[grafikhaus]

Now, they clearly don't perform like that every week or they'd be above us, but I was impressed with their desire, workrate, passing, movement on and off the ball and their ability to break quickly and accurately. Another good example would be Yeovil.

Hmm. Funny how so many teams have their 'game of the season' against us though, Raul. Hartlepool had an incredibly poor record but somehow managed to beat us. Stevenage - who have been shocking for at least four months (so shocking, they sacked the manager) didn't beat us. They hammered us. Even Pompey hit the bar before we scored. Crewe played us off the park.

The malaise is deep-rooted at the Lane. Good luck with the next five games, Morgs. But how you're suddenly going to get 'professionals' to find a man from ten yards puzzles me.

 

[Coily]

Here we go again with the classical nonsense so beloved of the now disgraced 'We ❤ Hoof Brigade'.

Let's go through it one more time. The teams that play proper pass and move football succeed. They are the ones that win trophies. Apart from the anomalous, wretched and never to be repeated Wimbledon/Watford era it was ever thus and will always be so.

The reason is that it's basically a simple game. Pass the ball to a team-mate and move immediately into space to receive it again. When the opposition have it, press them hard and deny them room. It works very well. This is to be contrasted with a deliberate, long, high and hard agricultural kick of the football in the general direction of the opposition goal, in the hope that the next player to touch it will be a team-mate. This is known as Hoofball. It's rubbish. It's discredited. It's as dead as a Thatcher. Good teams have worked it out. They combat and overcome it with ease. Even Crawley Town can comfortably cope with it for half an hour or so. No-one except Dinosaur Dave, Semi-Pro and a few Neanderthal SUFC fans believe in it any more.

There is no valid Attractive Football v Winning Football debate to be had. It was won and lost many years ago. It lingers only in the backwaters of Sheffield 2 where the natives remember only Brian Deane and conveniently forget Jostein Flo and Paul Williams. The sad truth for the Disciples of Hoof [Doh!] is that attractive football is also the football that wins matches and trophies. Attractive Football and Winning Football are one and the same. They are twins. The ugly Wimble sisters no longer go to the ball.

Barcelona, Real Madrid and Bayern Munich, to name but three, have their choice of the elite of football players. They could, were they so inclined, recruit the hardest, most aggressive, most committed, most physical, most upanatem hoofers the world has ever seen. They haven't, they don't and they won't. That really tells us all we need to know.

Let's at least move into the 21st century. We can work on the decades later.

I think the vast majority want to see passing football as opposed to the old kick and rush. And for all their faults, this squad can still play passing football, I'm sure of that. It's whether they can play football at the pace required to unsettle teams, make them unsure of their positioning and turn them around. All things that we so seldom do.

I hope this is the main thread of Morg's teamtalk today. Any team can setup two banks of four and make it difficult to break down. We need to get at them, and move the football far quicker than recently. And they can do that without the need to launch it to Kitson. It won't always work, but I think the crowd will respond well to the intention, christ knows we deserve a bit of excitement!

 

[Pinchy]

My worry is that teams are often built in the image of their manager. I know that's a stereotype and doesn't always apply. I do, though, fear a return to a very basic form of 'football' with Row Z featuring prominently.

I hope I'm wrong. but really that's for another day.

For now, we all, I think, greatly admire Chris Morgan and Rhino. We should be right behind them for the next two weeks, whatever the style, and think of the long term at the end of the mini-season. There's no need for despair. We still have a great chance.

COYRAWW!

 

[alcoblade]

My worry is that teams are often built in the image of their manager. I know that's a stereotype and doesn't always apply. I do, though, fear a return to a very basic form of 'football' with Row Z featuring prominently.

I hope I'm wrong. but really that's for another day.

For now, we all, I think, greatly admire Chris Morgan and Rhino. We should be right behind them for the next two weeks, whatever the style, and think of the long term at the end of the mini-season. There's no need for despair. We still have a great chance.

COYRAWW!

I share your thoughts Pinchy, but at the risk of opening up old debates, I think this season has shown us that both entertainment and success have far more parameters associated with them than "hoof" V "football".

Anyway, onwards and hopefully upwards.



UTB

 

[Highbury_Blade]

I share your thoughts Pinchy, but at the risk of opening up old debates, I think this season has shown us that both entertainment and success have far more parameters associated with them than "hoof" V "football".

Anyway, onwards and hopefully upwards.



UTB

So you want hoofball then?