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Our inability to defend made us probably, oh, about the 4th worst team in the division.
 

Or because we were unable to hold on for a draw against a mid-table, nothing to play for Chelsea, despite being 2-1 up with 15mins to play
I thought we mistakenly believed that we had to win that game, hence chucking everything forward at 2-2 in injury time and getting hit on the break.
 
I thought we mistakenly believed that we had to win that game, hence chucking everything forward at 2-2 in injury time and getting hit on the break.
Seriously? God, I never knew that until now. I remember going to Oldham midweek before, where a win would have saved us. From memory, Tracey was sent off, and we only drew. But we'd played Russian Roulette for four seasons and losing Deano, as you said, was the killer blow before the season started. If only we had signed the other Flo, who ended up at Chelsea!
 
Or because we were unable to hold on for a draw against a mid-table, nothing to play for Chelsea, despite being 2-1 up with 15mins to play
thats correct matt but still doesnt alter the fact that the everton v wimbledon game was fixed i have no doubt about that let alone segers depositing the 19k just read andy nicholls book 😉
 
Swindon may have conceded 100 goals that season but our failure to score against them at the County Ground (0-0 draw, one of only 4 clean sheets) was probably key to us getting relegated.
Bloody hell I'd forgotten about that Swindon away match. I was only about 11, but I think it remains the dullest game i've been to in my life - I remember singing "When the Blades go marchin in" all second half, being really impressed by how the Blades fans kept the energy going, and trying to start a Mexican wave (unsuccessful) with my little bro.
 
thats correct matt but still doesnt alter the fact that the everton v wimbledon game was fixed i have no doubt about that let alone segers depositing the 19k just read andy nicholls book 😉

Always the United way isn't it. Look for blame elsewhere.

Everton cheated, and West Ham for that matter many years later, but it doesn't remove the fact that both times, if we had done our job, we would have stayed upon both occasions.
We only required draws to Chelsea and Wigan, yet we decided to lose both.
 
thats correct matt but still doesnt alter the fact that the everton v wimbledon game was fixed i have no doubt about that let alone segers depositing the 19k just read andy nicholls book 😉
Everton had nothing to do with it, there’s no blame on them. There was no conspiracy against us either. That result was down to one man and an overseas betting syndicate. But it shouldn’t have mattered because we should have got at least a draw at Stamford Bridge.
 
Everton had nothing to do with it, there’s no blame on them. There was no conspiracy against us either. That result was down to one man and an overseas betting syndicate. But it shouldn’t have mattered because we should have got at least a draw at Stamford Bridge.
Back in the day when Stamford Bridge was a dog track and Chelsea were just an ordinary club, no bigger really than ourselves.
 

They're now just one point better off than our record breakingly terrible start in 20/21 and are 3 points worse off than we were at this stage last season (their goal difference is better, but only by 5). I'm sure they'll find some points to break Derby's record, but they're proving it's not just us that really struggle with the monumental step up.
 
Everton had nothing to do with it, there’s no blame on them. There was no conspiracy against us either. That result was down to one man and an overseas betting syndicate. But it shouldn’t have mattered because we should have got at least a draw at Stamford Bridge.
read andy nicholls book and decide if everton had nothing to do with it 😉🤔
 
Kind of disagree....before the Newcastle game....our ambition was to keep the score down
and we didn't make much effort to get into the opposition half.

The irony is that the Newcastle game was Hecky's most attack minded/ ambitious start during that season.
We were actually the better team 1st half, we had 3 good chances and missed them all, Newcastle only had about 3 attacks and scored every time.

Basically under Hecky we'd have lost loads of matches 2-0 but I don't think we'd have broke the 10 points barrier.
Under Wilder we played more open attacking football and started many games well, we tried to win but the danger was losing 5 or 5-0.
In the first 5 games we could not inconceivably have been sitting on 8 points. We lost 2 points conceding late winners to Forest and Man City, lost all 3 points in a ridiculous amount of injury time at Spurs, and would have turned a draw into a win had Pickford not pulled off a wordlie from McBurnies last gasp header v Everton.

I still maintain it was the 8-0 that did for us. After that, confidence was shot.
 
In the first 5 games we could not inconceivably have been sitting on 8 points. We lost 2 points conceding late winners to Forest and Man City, lost all 3 points in a ridiculous amount of injury time at Spurs, and would have turned a draw into a win had Pickford not pulled off a wordlie from McBurnies last gasp header v Everton.

I still maintain it was the 8-0 that did for us. After that, confidence was shot.
It was clear after the first game.
 
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And Archer... doubt any promoted sides will take these two ever again. Guaranteed relegation with them in your squad.
It’s crazy isn’t it, he looked a very good player for Boro in a team that worked for him.

He should’ve looked at Southampton and ourselves and realised that they wouldn’t play the same system, although he initially had more joy for us. The step up is huge for promoted teams not just for Archer.

I actually think he’s more suited to the way that Leeds play
 

In the first 5 games we could not inconceivably have been sitting on 8 points. We lost 2 points conceding late winners to Forest and Man City, lost all 3 points in a ridiculous amount of injury time at Spurs, and would have turned a draw into a win had Pickford not pulled off a wordlie from McBurnies last gasp header v Everton.

I still maintain it was the 8-0 that did for us. After that, confidence was shot.
Yes, my sentiments exactly. Although strangely after the 0-8
I still thought we could stay up, but unfortunately all my hopes of a miracle ended with the first Burnley humiliation.
 

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