Sky using Chris Wilder as a Pundit

[Tarqs]

I’ve never seen so much crap in one post. Impressive.

Rather than just say there's a load of shite in that post, why not debate it?

To be honest, there's a shit load of facts in there that aren't even debatable, which makes your response just look childish tbh.

 

[Keef Chedwyn]

Meant to be a chat about Howe but is more about Wilder:

Genuinely intrigued to find out what he's not spot on about re Wilder.

 

[robbiez666]

Genuinely intrigued to find out what he's not spot on about re Wilder.

I think the tantrum bit (when he doesn't get his way) is probably spot on. He's done it at every league club hasn't he? Until us, he was on the right side of it due to dodgy owners.

 

[Scarebus]

Genuinely intrigued to find out what he's not spot on about re Wilder.

Jordan keeps it real.

 

[Keef Chedwyn]

I think the tantrum bit (when he doesn't get his way) is probably spot on. He's done it at every league club hasn't he? Until us, he was on the right side of it due to dodgy owners.

Also you've got to be doing bits if you're going to start pointing fingers or it's just a double facepalm

 

[Keef Chedwyn]

Jordan keeps it real.

Sometimes you forget it's not just us Blades fans who saw how things went, it happened on the biggest stage. If Jordan can nail it like that, it's known all around football and his reputation will be quite soiled (not with Pep obvs).

 

[robbiez666]

I think Jordan is a prick but he's right about those 3 managers. They're not good enough to get a PL job, or at least probably haven't shown enough. Outside of Burnley and say maybe Newcastle. Their wage demands probably rule them out of Championship jobs outside of the relegated teams in the current financial climate. Doubt they'd get jobs abroad (although Lampard might).

 

[Sheffsteel]

I think Jordan is a prick but he's right about those 3 managers. They're not good enough to get a PL job, or at least probably haven't shown enough. Outside of Burnley and say maybe Newcastle. Their wage demands probably rule them out of Championship jobs outside of the relegated teams in the current financial climate. Doubt they'd get jobs abroad (although Lampard might).

Never used to like the opinionated self absorbed Jordan.

However to be fair being a radio pundit suits him really well.
He’s not afraid to give his opinion and doesn’t care who disagrees or what people think about him….and I like that.

I’ve heard him a few times talk about racism in football and he articulates his points really well raising some good points. He explains that most white people in the media are scared to express certain viewpoints because they could themselves be considered racist…but this just closes down discussion and progression.

 

[Cyprus Blade]

I'm not sure who would take a punt on Wilder (maybe someone like Newcastle) but as a pundit I think he has a limited shelf life. As to his departure it seemed like he embodied the club's unofficial motto "Snatching disaster from the jaws of triumph". If/when he gets another job does anyone think Knill will be part of the set-up?

 

[Keef Chedwyn]

On a serious note, if Wilder does struggle to get a managerial position of his own, I don't think it would do him any harm at all to get a job in the Man City set up or even at an elite club abroad. Maybe as an U23 manager or something. Would really give him chance to prove himself out of the spotlight, gain good experience with young stars and to show he's willing to start again.
Doesn't do coaches' job prospects any harm at all working under someone at a top club.

 

[Bladesman]

I think Jordan is a prick but he's right about those 3 managers. They're not good enough to get a PL job, or at least probably haven't shown enough. Outside of Burnley and say maybe Newcastle. Their wage demands probably rule them out of Championship jobs outside of the relegated teams in the current financial climate. Doubt they'd get jobs abroad (although Lampard might).

Yeah, I would have expected Lampard to get the Palace job for example. It seems like Palace never bothered looking at him.

Howe has been out of work for a season and still not got back into work. I get the impression Howe is trying to pick and choose his next move as it doesn't seem like he is in a rush.

 

[CPB]

Not wrong though is he

Wilders stock was v.high 18months ago.
Now it's mid - high of course.

Thing is as much as Simon Jordan has a point he doesn't know the ins and outs of how everything went down. As don't 99.9 percent of all us lot either.
But he does have a point about the clubs in PL and those three. To get back up there they may need to get promoted again. Or a different club may give them a shot down the line.

 

[Champagneblade]

Jordan raises some good points and I do think Wilder played his hand badly.

He somehow lost sight of the long term view for United as a club.

It would have been acceptable to yoyo however that would require Wilder's own reputation taking a few short term dents when the yoyo was heading down.

We never professed to have a bottomless pit. There was a point where we should have said ok, we've spent what we agreed, now we take what comes our way. If we go down and the reason is we didn't have the cash to replace O'Connell, then so be it.

It seemed he just wanted to find more cash when it was quite clear we were working to a budget, that was generous by Sheffield United standards.

It's difficult to accept moans about the training ground roof, about a lack of investment in facilities when you've just lavished 23m on a striker who isn't scoring at all and you end the season with 6 or 7 strikers.

I appreciate a degree of hindsight in this comment, but you could have used a fraction of the Brewster money to upgrade the Academy and still been left with McGoldrick, Sharp, McBurnie, Mousset, Jebbison, N'Diaye, Hackford + Burke.

I think Wilder had to do a better job of owning this choice. His interests drifted from Sheffield United's long term interests to protecting his own reputation and deflecting criticism from his own decision making. You can't hope to prosper at the top flight and retain a my way or the high way attitude.

The sad thing is, the club would have been happy to stick with him and go for promotion from a much stronger base.

 

[Delboyscap]

Sometimes you forget it's not just us Blades fans who saw how things went, it happened on the biggest stage. If Jordan can nail it like that, it's known all around football and his reputation will be quite soiled (not with Pep obvs).

It is hard to not like Jordan as he talks a lot of sense. However, I think there is some danger that what he says here appeals to those that already have that opinion and to say well Simon Jordan also thinks it so it must be true, confirmation bias at its best perhaps. Jordan admits he is speaking here as a former owner, and also admits he does not know the whole story and uses some examples of possible scenarios that may have led to Wilder venting at the board. So Jordan himself is saying it is hard to be objective, partly because he is a former owner and because he does not know the whole story. With that said, I don't think anyone including me, is saying that Wilder did not act in ways that deserve some criticism. Maybe when the have him on the show as Jim alluded to we will learn a little more...I will buy in popcorn!!

 

[Keef Chedwyn]

It is hard to not like Jordan as he talks a lot of sense. However, I think there is some danger that what he says here appeals to those that already have that opinion and to say well Simon Jordan also thinks it so it must be true, confirmation bias at its best perhaps. Jordan admits he is speaking here as a former owner, and also admits he does not know the whole story and uses some examples of possible scenarios that may have led to Wilder venting at the board. So Jordan himself is saying it is hard to be objective, partly because he is a former owner and because he does not know the whole story. With that said, I don't think anyone including me, is saying that Wilder did not act in ways that deserve some criticism. Maybe when the have him on the show as Jim alluded to we will learn a little more...I will buy in popcorn!!

Fair comments. Problem for Wilder is that club owners will see things the same way as Jordan.

 

[PageHallBlade]

Jordan raises some good points and I do think Wilder played his hand badly.

He somehow lost sight of the long term view for United as a club.

It would have been acceptable to yoyo however that would require Wilder's own reputation taking a few short term dents when the yoyo was heading down.

We never professed to have a bottomless pit. There was a point where we should have said ok, we've spent what we agreed, now we take what comes our way. If we go down and the reason is we didn't have the cash to replace O'Connell, then so be it.

It seemed he just wanted to find more cash when it was quite clear we were working to a budget, that was generous by Sheffield United standards.

It's difficult to accept moans about the training ground roof, about a lack of investment in facilities when you've just lavished 23m on a striker who isn't scoring at all and you end the season with 6 or 7 strikers.

I appreciate a degree of hindsight in this comment, but you could have used a fraction of the Brewster money to upgrade the Academy and still been left with McGoldrick, Sharp, McBurnie, Mousset, Jebbison, N'Diaye, Hackford + Burke.

I think Wilder had to do a better job of owning this choice. His interests drifted from Sheffield United's long term interests to protecting his own reputation and deflecting criticism from his own decision making. You can't hope to prosper at the top flight and retain a my way or the high way attitude.

The sad thing is, the club would have been happy to stick with him and go for promotion from a much stronger base.

Agree wit most of this i stareted getting pissed off with him when he was asked a (planted?) question from a journo ( probably gidds) about his contract renewal which wasnt for another year while we were at the bottom of the table.

i just thought the cheeky twat

 

[JayGreen17]

Jordan raises some good points and I do think Wilder played his hand badly.

He somehow lost sight of the long term view for United as a club.

It would have been acceptable to yoyo however that would require Wilder's own reputation taking a few short term dents when the yoyo was heading down.

We never professed to have a bottomless pit. There was a point where we should have said ok, we've spent what we agreed, now we take what comes our way. If we go down and the reason is we didn't have the cash to replace O'Connell, then so be it.

It seemed he just wanted to find more cash when it was quite clear we were working to a budget, that was generous by Sheffield United standards.

It's difficult to accept moans about the training ground roof, about a lack of investment in facilities when you've just lavished 23m on a striker who isn't scoring at all and you end the season with 6 or 7 strikers.

I appreciate a degree of hindsight in this comment, but you could have used a fraction of the Brewster money to upgrade the Academy and still been left with McGoldrick, Sharp, McBurnie, Mousset, Jebbison, N'Diaye, Hackford + Burke.

I think Wilder had to do a better job of owning this choice. His interests drifted from Sheffield United's long term interests to protecting his own reputation and deflecting criticism from his own decision making. You can't hope to prosper at the top flight and retain a my way or the high way attitude.

The sad thing is, the club would have been happy to stick with him and go for promotion from a much stronger base.

Great post,spot on.

 

[Bartleby]

My concern if I was his agent is any club in trouble may look at him as a ‘good time’ manager, great when’s all rosey, but throws a fanny paddy when it gets tough

I think the spectacular way he took a struggling League One side up to the verge of Champions League qualification in a mere 3 years and on a modest budget will have got the attention of quite a few. He won't struggle to get a job when he decides the time is right.

 

[Delboyscap]

I think the spectacular way he took a struggling League One side up to the verge of Champions League qualification in a mere 3 years and on a modest budget will have got the attention of quite a few. He won't struggle to get a job when he decides the time is right.

I agree with this. Yes, Wilder hardly covered himself in glory towards the end of his reign, however, the previous 6 years or so he basically took his teams from 92nd place in the pyramid to 9th in the League! That is one hell of an achievement by anyone's standards and most of it done without great financial backing. Let's not forget too that there have not been many jobs come up since he has been away; I count 10 in the top 2 divisions and you can already rule out the 4 premier league jobs, so it is hardly like he is constantly getting snubbed. The next few months will tell us if boards are reluctant to employ Wilder when all the sackings begin.

 

[Carlton Blade]

"Unemployed man seeks and secures employment. More soon"

 

[Bashamed]

he took a struggling League One side up to the verge of Champions League qualification in a mere 3 years

I've made this point before and was told it never happened. History has now been rewritten and we were never in a race for Europe at all

 

[steve26272]

I think the spectacular way he took a struggling League One side up to the verge of Champions League qualification in a mere 3 years and on a modest budget will have got the attention of quite a few. He won't struggle to get a job when he decides the time is right.

Agree on his achievements, not in doubt.

However his reign didn’t end in April 2020, which is the pinnacle of your point, had it he would be in the Prem now with Palace, Newcastle or even Everton

The reason he wasn’t considered for the 2 vacancies or as a replacement for cabbage heed is what happened in the following 10 months.

Unfortunately the televised implosion of him going from “we will give any one a game, scared of nob’dy” to “we can’t compete with these teams, my lads are Championship players” was there for all to see

As was the lack of plan B, 70% failings in transfer market, and most of all sniping at the board, biting the hand that feeds you.

Would you seriously consider employing a bloke who after you have given several payrises, backed him with multi million pound budget and seen many of those not come off, only for him to then slate you in the press??

Honestly don’t think an egotistical PL chairman will touch him, WBA backed out when they understood his behaviour, and they just parted company with a bloke sacked after 1 international match for taking a bung.

Reckon Forest, Brum, Sunderland etc are when he will appear next.

 

[Lane Ender]

I think the spectacular way he took a struggling League One side up to the verge of Champions League qualification in a mere 3 years and on a modest budget will have got the attention of quite a few. He won't struggle to get a job when he decides the time is right.

No ambitious club would take him on because:
1. He left when the going got tough.
2.His dealings in the transfer verge on pathetic
3. His tactics which worked on our rise were sussed he had no answers
He will get a job in the championship no Premiership club would touch him