Should the club take £1m for Brayford?

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Much rather keep Brayford (after being hugely disappointed with him this season, to see if he can reattain his previous high standards) than I would Adkins (same scenario).

No way would we get £1m for Brayford right now though.
 
Based on yesterday's performance I'd say get rid. Absolutely woeful yesterday in my opinion. He's never looked the same player he was in that first loan spell.
 
Don't know whether we should move him on or not tbh

Is any club interested in his services?

Do we need to move him on, even it is just to lower the wage bill?

How much would we realistically get for him? I'm guessing at £500k - £650k after his serious injury and what appears to be a loss of form
 
If Adkins has an adequate budget to bring players in then why sell? Doubt we'll get a better RB in L1.

If Adkins needs to generate funds to bring players in then he has no choice.

If the owners need to sell to keep the cash-flow rolling, as with Murphy, then he has no choice.
 
When was the last time we replaced someone we sold with a player of better quality, regardless of what fee we got? You're probably going back as far as Beattie replacing Hulse, so my answer is no.

I don't care what fee is offered, I support the football team not the accounts. Just for one season I'd like us to try to add good players around our existing better ones, rather than selling them and replacing them with shit. Let's see if it gets better results than the current method.
 
Latters said:
When was the last time we replaced someone we sold with a player of better quality, regardless of what fee we got? You're probably going back as far as Beattie replacing Hulse, so my answer is no.
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I don't think that even counts – we replaced Hulse with Henderson. Which reinforces your point if anything!
 
Esablade said:
If Adkins has an adequate budget to bring players in then why sell? Doubt we'll get a better RB in L1.

If Adkins needs to generate funds to bring players in then he has no choice.

If the owners need to sell to keep the cash-flow rolling, as with Murphy, then he has no choice.
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And, if he wants to go ........ how can we stop him :rolleyes:

Cha-Ching
 
This year has been one of change and the Summer will see even more dross and doss leaving.

We need those who can play, have an influence by their experience and who can inspire both others and the fans. Yep, at the moment the head is down, but then are we surprised? I know he gets paid shed loads to perform, but the fact is he has been affected by his injury, the loss of Clough and the way the club has gone since he signed.

As has been said we wouldn't get much for him (or even keep that!). His wages may be a factor, but when change is all around, we would be wise to keep the consistency afforded by our best players to mould the new team around, especially if its the Academy lads coming through.

Brayford, Done, Sharp, Baptise, Edgar, Flynn and Long to stay. Adams if he grows up.

Please no more dross and doss...
 
The type of player Brayford is/was means he is only going to go one way unfortunately, and that's downhill. All action players tend to peak early. His best days are now behind him and the injury has only speeded up his decline. He's now worth 500k max in my opinion. I'd get rid purely because his wages are way too high for a league one right back anyway. We could get 3 players for that money.
 
northsomersetblade said:
Same here. It was crazy spending that much money on a full back.
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We are playing him as a wing back now, so he is both an attacking and defensive player. So far his winging side of his game has been decent and will improve as he gets use to the set up/ role.
So I personally wouldn't take the million and stick with his current role.
 



alcoblade said:
A "Coutts style" pre season?

Does that involve ending the season slow and lethargic, taking a "well earned" break before coming back......slow and lethargic?

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Yawn ,just look at the highlights and see how he moved the ball with pace and created chances ,or does that just by pass you ?
 
sitwell said:
Yawn ,just look at the highlights and see how he moved the ball with pace and created chances ,or does that just by pass you ?
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I see it every week Sitwell, followed by him being hauled off because he can last the pace. Thats if he even makes it into our mediocre third division team. That's just cold hard fact.

The players I point out and you get upset about ( previously Porter) end up in the 3rd and 4th division.

You scapegoated Quinn, clearly a class above, who ended up in the Premiership, against all your " wisdom".

I think unlike you, I'm on solid ground here.

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alcoblade said:
I see it every week Sitwell, followed by him being hauled off because he can last the pace. Thats if he even makes it into our mediocre third division team. That's just hold hard fact.

The players I point out and you get upset about ( previously Porter) end up in the 3rd and 4th division.

You scapegoated Quinn, clearly a class above, who ended up in the Premiership, against all your " wisdom".

I think unlike you, I'm on solid ground here.

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We'd kill for Stephen Quinn in our side now.

A player who actually cares about the club he's playing for and was gutted when he was sold.
 
sitwell said:
Yawn ,just look at the highlights and see how he moved the ball with pace and created chances ,or does that just by pass you ?
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The games passes him by unless you give him the ball to his feet. Has no interest whatsoever in working hard for the team or putting his foot in, or does that pass you by?
 
I questioned spending £1.6 million at the time on him and was branded a pig. I still stand by the fact that a league 1 club should never be spending that amount of money on a fullback. Not unless they're about to invest another £10 million at least.

If we can get £1 million, take it.
 
sheffielder said:
The games passes him by unless you give him the ball to his feet. Has no interest whatsoever in working hard for the team or putting his foot in, or does that pass you by?
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Exactly this. He's a neat and tidy passer, with the (either) fitness / workrate / heart of a mouse. His contribution is wholly unacceptable.

It's not unlike most of the others, but for some reason Sitwell gets upset about Coutts being criticised because he doesn't see it.

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alcoblade said:
I see it every week Sitwell, followed by him being hauled off because he can last the pace. Thats if he even makes it into our mediocre third division team. That's just cold hard fact.

The players I point out and you get upset about ( previously Porter) end up in the 3rd and 4th division.

You scapegoated Quinn, clearly a class above, who ended up in the Premiership, against all your " wisdom".

I think unlike you, I'm on solid ground here.

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I slagged off an element of Quinns game ,and still do why he didn't make it as a regular in the premiership ,with his ability he easily should do. I loved Quinn still do but he could and should have done a lot better.
I also slag an element of Coutts game ,his chasing back and tackling are shocking but you have to recognise he brings pace to our side through his vision passing and control, and creates openings ,the other players are comfortable with giving him the ball in any situation because he is a footballer and gifted with the ball. He needs a good pre-season like Brayford ,he has missed a big chunk of his career and you can tell the way he plays he is still nervous ,but he is a player and his contribution needs to be recognised. I would love to see a comparison in our results this season when he has played and hasn't ,or when Baxter has played that position.
I never rated Porter but felt he got unfair stick some times as he was held out to dry by our tactics and players.

As for Coutts not making it into the team sometimes ,you have to ask the manager who is a joke in my eyes. Whatever he sees in Hammond is beyond me ,his performance yesterday was simply diabolical and yet he gets a shirt every week ,also gave away a stonewall penalty yesterday I thought.
 
sitwell said:
I slagged off an element of Quinns game ,and still do why he didn't make it as a regular in the premiership ,with his ability he easily should do. I loved Quinn still do but he could and should have done a lot better.
I also slag an element of Coutts game ,his chasing back and tackling are shocking but you have to recognise he brings pace to our side through his vision passing and control, and creates openings ,the other players are comfortable with giving him the ball in any situation because he is a footballer and gifted with the ball. He needs a good pre-season like Brayford ,he has missed a big chunk of his career and you can tell the way he plays he is still nervous ,but he is a player and his contribution needs to be recognised. I would love to see a comparison in our results this season when he has played and hasn't ,or when Baxter has played that position.
I never rated Porter but felt he got unfair stick some times as he was held out to dry by our tactics and players.

As for Coutts not making it into the team sometimes ,you have to ask the manager who is a joke in my eyes. Whatever he sees in Hammond is beyond me ,his performance yesterday was simply diabolical and yet he gets a shirt every week ,also gave away a stonewall penalty yesterday I thought.
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Good post. However, Coutts' woeful fitness and workrate is entirely of his own making. That can't be blamed on the manager, and Coutts should be ashamed.

Hammond is rubbish too. Adkins is answerable for that.

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He has come back from a serious injury and been playing every week. He has been off form, but it looks to me like he needs a summer to recuperate. See what he is like next season that will be the big test.
 
Money wise what's the fucking point? It'll end up paying for a couple of aging journeymen or be used to pay for a new sauna up at the Academy or something. You know, like the Murphy money.

Brayford will benefit from a pre season as he still doesn't look 100% to me. Reckon we'll see him back to his old self next year.
 
blader said:
Brayford has shown consistently for years he is a good championship full back. There is not a chance we should contemplate selling him.

Brayford would be excellent if our team was any good, but he's suffering from McDonald-itis in that he doesn't look so good because the players around him are just so poor. Sell the other shite and we'll see Brayford back to his next next season (on the right of a back 4 please!)
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Exactly, it's not just that as well. Players do go through periods of bad form often and it does not help when players around you are not in form either.

Like others have said already if we sold him do we really think the club would replace him with the same or better? Knowing us we would sell John, give Flynn his 1 year contract extension and play him at right back.
 



alcoblade said:
Exactly this. He's a neat and tidy passer, with the (either) fitness / workrate / heart of a mouse. His contribution is wholly unacceptable.

It's not unlike most of the others, but for some reason Sitwell gets upset about Coutts being criticised because he doesn't see it.

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This side doesn't have room for passengers, it;s not good enough. With 11 players working to their full potential it is good enough.
 
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