Sheffield United vs Hull City

EFL Championship Matchweek 29 - Friday 24th January 2025 - 20:00 - Bramall Lane
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[Steve.C]

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Have either of those sides had to name 2 sub keepers just to fill the bench this season fault

 

[Steve.C]

Have either of those sides had to name 2 sub keepers just to fill the bench this season?

Probably not. Any of those sides not manage a shot on target 1st half?

 

[Jimmy Fleck]

Doris the tea lady in midfield

Would’ve been better.

 

[Nagima]

I completely get where you’re coming from BUT you need to put it in context.
Start of the season after the PL horror show, we had to tighten up defensively. Despite huge constraints in the summer window, Wilder brought in Cooper, Burrows and Souttar, tweaked the formation and solved the problem. We were water-tight and could win games through the individual brilliance of players like Hamer, Rak-Sakyi and Campbell.
Fluency and clinical attacking could come later … Arblaster and Souza gave us a perfect central combination to build around. We lacked attacking depth but again we knew that would come.
Campbell coming into the team stepped us up a gear and going into the derby game we were looking well set and ready to kick on despite us all knowing that the squad was thin. Luckily Wilder was getting a great tune out of youngsters like Seriki, Peck and Brooks where needed.
Suddenly within the space of 2 or 3 weeks, we lose Arblaster, Souza, Campbell, Rak-Sakyi, Moore, Seriki. The squad is so thin we have to play half-fit players and others out of position. This huge challenge hits us right before the toughest fixtures of the season.
So you’re right that we’ve not looked fluent or fully in our stride yet … but somehow against the odds we’re in the top two. Players are slowly returning from injury and we’re finally backing the manager with money for new signings.
Tonight’s performance was awful but there are huge mitigating factors and we’re brilliantly placed to kick on when more players recover fully and new ones settle in.
We do now have the attacking talent to start playing with more threat… but it may take a few more weeks to get them all working together.
Keep the faith- it sounds like you’ve earned the right to moan as a 72 year Blade … but I’m sure you can also appreciate what a gem of a manager we have and what he can still achieve for us now that he may be backed by decent owners for once in our history.
COYRAWW

What we are sore about is a missed opportunity. We assembled a great squad for the start of the season so I did expect we were in with a shout. Injuries have played a part but also our tactics, team, and substitutions. We got it really wrong tonight and Wilder takes a large part of the blame for that. The run in is going to be tight but shooting ourselves in the foot will put us into the lottery of the playoffs. It's not being negative it's being realistic based on evidence of our eyes. Mitigation is fine as long as it isn't used as a crutch for excuses.

 

[Blade56]

Three of the top 4 play attacking football to win games the forth grind results out week in week out regardless of who is available. Only 2 will have the quality to stay up there. We can have great owners buying quality players but our tactical ineptness to not give front players chances, the square backward ball possession, the square pegs in round holes and lack of flare from foreign players is telling. Yes we have a few and they are the outstanding ones in the squad.

 

[MartBlade]

What we are sore about is a missed opportunity. We assembled a great squad for the start of the season so I did expect we were in with a shout. Injuries have played a part but also our tactics, team, and substitutions. We got it really wrong tonight and Wilder takes a large part of the blame for that. The run in is going to be tight but shooting ourselves in the foot will put us into the lottery of the playoffs. It's not being negative it's being realistic based on evidence of our eyes. Mitigation is fine as long as it isn't used as a crutch for excuses.

When you say we assembled a great squad - you’re right but it was too thin. Great signings but no depth.
All clubs get injuries but ours have all been to key players and at critical times.
I agree about the missed opportunity but this league is tough and we have no right to just expect results regardless of the mitigating circumstances.
One example - Peck and O Hare have been desperate for a rest for weeks but have had to play almost every minute. That’s unsustainable and causes results like this one.
We’ll get there if we stick with the manager and help get them through a difficult period by staying right behind them. I’m sure Wilder knows he could have done some things differently but he gets most things right.

 

[Blade56]

We’ll get there if we stick with the manager and help get them through a difficult period by staying right behind them. I’m sure Wilder knows he could have done some things differently but he gets most things right.

I think you’re wrong. Wilder is an old fashioned manager that’s great at grinding out results from tough players. Tactically I think he’s weak at the modern game and that’s reflected in his aversion to non uk players even though our non uk players are our best.

Many will differ with my point of view (as do my sons but they’re starting to feel it). If we do get into PL hand on heart how many think he will do well as a PL manager?

Also, Hull had 5 players out, injuries aren’t exclusive to SUFC

 

[Greenwich Blade]

That result 0-3 is a true reflction on Wilder as a manager
We hav being getting evrything wrong in teerms of team operation all season.
The sam imbecilc crap that destroyed us evry wek last season
Sick of listing all the fundaments hhe gts wrong.
I expected us to struggle to get out of the bottom 3
But this is the worse second divisiopn there has ever been and the quality of the playrs saw us keep winning.
It cannot last in any field.
You MUST get the fundamentals right to get the correct outcomes consistently.
No team will fear us with th impotent eunoch OHare as a striker with Brewster and Diaz wasted deep on the wings.
No one will fear us with endlss P ing about at the back. They love it and will pick us off if the want.
No one will fear us with dangerous left wingeres Jesus and Brookes disabled playing wide on the right.
It has to be Wilder out asap and a big dfendr to replace Sooty a priority.
But #ManagersareMorons so who is available who is desirable?
We would be a major foircs now with our academy utilized not wasted if w had got Howe in as I wanted last time Wildr walked out.
Who next now to take us forward - and I mean forward as I hav NEVR sen a team make so many passes backwards as undr this clown Wilder and his 'pass and control' insanity.

How can O’Hare be an impotent eunuch when he’s obviously shagged your missus?

 

[Nagima]

When you say we assembled a great squad - you’re right but it was too thin. Great signings but no depth.
All clubs get injuries but ours have all been to key players and at critical times.
I agree about the missed opportunity but this league is tough and we have no right to just expect results regardless of the mitigating circumstances.
One example - Peck and O Hare have been desperate for a rest for weeks but have had to play almost every minute. That’s unsustainable and causes results like this one.
We’ll get there if we stick with the manager and help get them through a difficult period by staying right behind them. I’m sure Wilder knows he could have done some things differently but he gets most things right.

Peck I thought played well tonight and O'Hare was OK. I do get what you are saying and agree mostly regarding resting players. On the other hand Brewster and Campbell were both fit and tuned in which is why the team selection and not making direct substitutions is baffling. Both players in central midfield ended up as full backs. With Brewster in midfield. I just think that while Wilder has got a lot right this season tonight was shooting himself in the foot.

 

[Shadota]

Probably not. Any of those sides not manage a shot on target 1st half?

I have no idea. It's very possible that Burnley have done that, though I'd have to go back and check.

But to continue my comparison on fit players, our number of senior, fully fit defenders and deep/defensive midfielders, is equal Burnley's total number of centre backs

Gilchrist
Anel
JLT
Burrows
McCallum
Peck

Souza isn't fully fit yet, being that tonight was his first games back, so he doesn't count. RND likewise is blatantly not fit to start. Baptiste was on the bench but he's a kid. Had Peck not been forced to play so much this season, I'd be dismissing him too.

Burnley's CBs:

Esteve
Egan
Egan-Riley
Worrall
Buyer
Humphreys

Burnley effectively have a 3rd-choice CB partnership. They have 2 or 3 players for every position on the pitch. Meanwhile, we are having to use players like Peck, who is clearly in dire need of rest after and extended period of starts, along with multiple players who are not fully fit, either due to returning from injury, or lack of match time (Seriki. Campbell, BBD, Souza, JRS). Wilder himself said that Tom Davies picked up an injury from playing too much. But we had no one else, so he had to play.

I don't deny that the performance tonight was poor. But asserting that players have simply downed tools isn't it.

It simply isn't possible for an injury-ravaged squad to get back from a game at Swansea at 4am on Wednesday, and then be raring to go against Hull at 8pn on Friday. It's fucking insanity to assume that they would be.

Players didn't perform tonight because it simply was not physically possible for them to.

 

[MartBlade]

Peck I thought played well tonight and O'Hare was OK. I do get what you are saying and agree mostly regarding resting players. On the other hand Brewster and Campbell were both fit and tuned in which is why the team selection and not making direct substitutions is baffling. Both players in central midfield ended up as full backs. With Brewster in midfield. I just think that while Wilder has got a lot right this season tonight was shooting himself in the foot.

Good points definitely and I think he’d probably admit that himself. Campbell is obviously not fully fit though … otherwise he’d start every game…and Brewster is just so hit and miss he’s a risk. Definitely a bad night all round though.

 

[MartBlade]

I have no idea. It's very possible that Burnley have done that, though I'd have to go back and check.

But to continue my comparison on fit players, our number of senior, fully fit defenders and deep/defensive midfielders, is equal Burnley's total number of centre backs

Gilchrist
Anel
JLT
Burrows
McCallum
Peck

Souza isn't fully fit yet, being that tonight was his first games back, so he doesn't count. RND likewise is blatantly not fit to start. Baptiste was on the bench but he's a kid. Had Peck not been forced to play so much this season, I'd be dismissing him too.

Burnley's CBs:

Esteve
Egan
Egan-Riley
Worrall
Buyer
Humphreys

Burnley effectively have a 3rd-choice CB partnership. They have 2 or 3 players for every position on the pitch. Meanwhile, we are having to use players like Peck, who is clearly in dire need of rest after and extended period of starts, along with multiple players who are not fully fit, either due to returning from injury, or lack of match time (Seriki. Campbell, BBD, Souza, JRS). Wilder himself said that Tom Davies picked up an injury from playing too much. But we had no one else, so he had to play.

I don't deny that the performance tonight was poor. But asserting that players have simply downed tools isn't it.

It simply isn't possible for an injury-ravaged squad to get back from a game at Swansea at 4am on Wednesday, and then be raring to go against Hull at 8pn on Friday. It's fucking insanity to assume that they would be.

Players didn't perform tonight because it simply was not physically possible for them to.

Absolutely spot on…. this is exactly why the fans need to get right behind the team.

 

[MartBlade]

I think you’re wrong. Wilder is an old fashioned manager that’s great at grinding out results from tough players. Tactically I think he’s weak at the modern game and that’s reflected in his aversion to non uk players even though our non uk players are our best.

Many will differ with my point of view (as do my sons but they’re starting to feel it). If we do get into PL hand on heart how many think he will do well as a PL manager?

Also, Hull had 5 players out, injuries aren’t exclusive to SUFC

I’ll agree to differ on Wilder … for me he’s proved his tactical acumen over and again but it’s all about opinions. The one thing I would say is that we as a club would not even be thinking about how we might perform in the Premier League if Wilder had not turned us around completely and done so much to enable us to be one of the best teams in the Championship…. against a backdrop of shambolic ownership (prior to current owners). This does make me give him a huge amount of slack but by God he’s earned it.

 

[UddersBlade]

I actually think we missed Tom Davies more than anyone both at Swansea and last night. He rarely gives the ball away or wastes it. Hope he’s back for Derby.

 

[finlaytheblade]

I’ll agree to differ on Wilder … for me he’s proved his tactical acumen over and again but it’s all about opinions. The one thing I would say is that we as a club would not even be thinking about how we might perform in the Premier League if Wilder had not turned us around completely and done so much to enable us to be one of the best teams in the Championship…. against a backdrop of shambolic ownership (prior to current owners). This does make me give him a huge amount of slack but by God he’s earned it.

Overall we can't say Wilder has done a bad job! Worked wonders to get us to the top until injuries clearly hampered us having a small squad.
Last night though Clearly got it wrong ( with hindsight that's easy to see)Brewster and Campbell were on fire in the period they played at Swans! Would it not have been better to start with them while they were really hot and substute them at halftime or so.
Not the same when you come on and are chasing the game.Didnt us Diaz or Cannon to any effect at all.

 

[Keen Blade]

We aren't going to create chances playing wide players that can't or won't cross. Anel and Robinson at the cb massively worries me. They don't work together at all.

Tonight, hull players have out worked us and won every 50/50.

They can't cross coz they're inverted , like Wilders brain.

He really cannot react to what's happening on the pitch apart from chucking subs on without any shape or tactical changes.

 

[Keen Blade]

Well played Hull. Their manager was better tonight and they played that perfectly.

That has been coming for weeks. We've ridden our luck, played teams at the best times, had decisions go in our favour and had opposition players being crap anywhere near our goal.

The most ludicrous decision of the season by Wilder has to be bringing Vini on and then moving Peck to RWB. WTAF? Put Blacker or RND on ffs. We've badly missed a central pairing. Idiotic.

We had 16 shots and 2 on target, which is unacceptable. They had 8 and 5 on target.

I questioned starting two new players upfront before hte game and stand by it. Brewster or Campbell should have started with BBD. How a player who has been here for a day is meant to play in a team is beyond me. It's not Bobby Davison days.

MoM - Rubén Sellés

Anyway

Cooper - 5.5 - Didn't really have a chance with the goals. Must have been wondering what was going on in front of him.
McCallum - 5 - Looked lively but he's so one-footed and he seems to do things slightly wrong far too often.
Robinson - 4.5 - Thought he was crap tonight and lost his head. Played the lad on for the second and looked more interested in having a fight towards the end of the game.
Anel - 4 - At fault twice for the 3rd (which is impressive) and looked slow and ponderous much of the time. Needs a dominant CB and a talker next to him, as his concentration is poor, and Robbo is not that.
Gilchrist - 3 - No idea what he was doing tonight. Did a few decent things going forward but kept coming in-field and push Burrows out to the right.
Peck - 5 - Needs to concentrate on the football and not looking for aggro. Thought they did a job on him. His forward balls were largely poor.
Burrows - 4 - Poor tonight, but he really isn't a CM. He got done defensively a few times but unlucky for the OG as did well to get back.
Bucky O' - 4 - Kept getting headers, which was quite funny. Nothing really came off for him after an initial good start.
Brooks - 3 - Lad needs to use his right foot. It's laughable that he just slows down attacks and then cuts inside onto his left foot, even when he has the running of the FB.
BBD - 4 - Lots of poor decision, poor touches and bad passes. Still rusty.
Canon - 2 - Terrible, but why on earth was he playing? Only been here a day. People are slagging him off already but his manager set him up for a fall.

Subs:

Brewster -5 - Great header on for the (incorrectly) disallowed goal but didn't really do much else.
Campbell - 6 - Unlucky not to have scored and he had a number of shots and looked the most likely to score. Should have done better with some of them though.
Souza - 6 - Glad he's back but sabotaged straight away by moving Peck to RWB. Got a whack which hopefully is nothing
Rak-saki - 5 - Looked poor when he came on. Glad to see him back but needs to get up to speed.

Wilder - 2/10 - Clearly hamstring b the midfield issues but starting two new players up top was a really bad decision (especially since one had ben here for a day). Got outthought tonight by Rubén Sellés.

Agreed except Brooks can't be inverted coz he has no R foot.

 

[Aston max]

Can we all calm down please, we fully expected to get beaten at some point ! Hull totally mugged us
Yes we can sit here and moan about wilder and bemoan about missing midfielders
I know this has been stated before but how many of us expected to be top 2 at this stage and even thought we would make the play offs
Let's just see what happens, I still expect wilder to be replaced if we achieve promotion
I think sometimes wilder sabotages the odd game to make a point ( my opinion before some of you sharpen the knives)

 

[Boxer Blade]

Don't say you weren't warned

 

[ml1997]

Lots of overreaction.

We had one game were we played below par.

Davies, Arblaster, Seriki, Shackleton, Hamer and Moore unavailable.

Souza and BBD weren’t fit.

Cannon was signed they day before the game

Peck and Gilchrist need a rest.

Burrows out of position.

These things happen. Next week when we should have 2 or 3 back to full fitness/ signings is when we can start judging Wilder and the team, who’ve done an excellent job so far.

 

[VictoryBlade]

We had the chance to capitalize on Leeds playing Burnley and we lose 3-0 to Hull fucking City. The players and management team should be embarrassed by this shit. Bottlejobs

I am

 

[Brookblade]

Lots of overreaction.

We had one game were we played below par.

Davies, Arblaster, Seriki, Shackleton, Hamer and Moore unavailable.

Souza and BBD weren’t fit.

Cannon was signed they day before the game

Peck and Gilchrist need a rest.

Burrows out of position.

These things happen. Next week when we should have 2 or 3 back to full fitness/ signings is when we can start judging Wilder and the team, who’ve done an excellent job so far.

I would give Gilchrist a long rest, heard West London is nice this time of year.

 

[Keen Blade]

Just wow

I just hope they have another £10m for a quality permanent CB , which is where the money should have gone in the first place - without Souttar since Boxing Day , we are so disorganised + porous

 

[Keen Blade]

I would give Gilchrist a long rest, heard West London is nice this time of year.

I doubt we can send him back for loss of form (under the terms of the loan) and if we drop him there is probably a penalty £ to pay - that's two downside of loans.

 

[MartBlade]

So from what I’ve read on here from a number of posters we have a manager who despite winning 60 points this season should be sacked because a) we had a bad day and lost a game … and b) Even if he does take us up there’s no way he’ll be able to challenge effectively in the best and richest league in the world.
Oh and c) he’s obviously racist cos we’ve not been able to afford a worldwide scouting system.
And not forgetting d) he’s a dinosaur (presumably cos he’s over 50 and English)

I really think that a lot of you need to support one of the big teams in the Premier League instead.
If we can’t appreciate having an absolutely outstanding manager who also happens to be a die-hard Blades fan… I really don’t understand what people are aspiring to?
I’m guessing it’s not very realistic whatever it is.

 

[Belvedere Blade]

Black Cats 2 Plymouth 2

 

[Harrisblade]

I doubt we can send him back for loss of form (under the terms of the loan) and if we drop him there is probably a penalty £ to pay - that's two downside of loans.

Who else has Wilder ever brought in on loan where they've had to play a certain no of games or we have to pay a penalty?

 

[Keen Blade]

Who else has Wilder ever brought in on loan where they've had to play a certain no of games or we have to pay a penalty?

Dunno , but I thought it was standard - sorry if I'm wrong.
That's good then , if we get a RB in , we can give Alfie a rest.
Seriki looked very good on Tuesday - does anyone know what kept him out of the squad last night ?

 

[Harrisblade]

Dunno , but I thought it was standard - sorry if I'm wrong.
That's good then , if we get a RB in , we can give Alfie a rest.
Seriki looked very good on Tuesday - does anyone know what kept him out of the squad last night ?

Apparently 'aggravated an existing hamstring issue'

https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-united/sheffield-uniteds-vini-souza-selection-explained-after-blades-suffer-femi-seriki-injury-blow-4960049

 

[ancientblade]

last nights result has been coming for a few games now lets hope its now out of our system with all our injuries plus abdullah pulling the plug at the last minute in august of 3 signings that we badly needed were still in a fantastic position our fans need to start getting behind the team