Sheffield United vs Burnley

VictoryBlade · Dec 27, 2024

programmechap said:
We were more or less even until Burnley scored. Neither team looked like scoring. Then our right back switches off and we're one down.

Start of the second half, were piling on the pressure and an equaliser is vert much a possibility. Then they get a freak goal and it's game over. We know we're never going to get two against the Burnley defence.

So, not a good performance, but seriously not wrist slitting stuff..

What if you add the Plymouth performance in?

VictoryBlade · Dec 27, 2024

moody1889 said:
If we go up to the Premier League and resorts to these tactics you can guarantee that we will end up in the same position or worse than when he left last time.

There is a very good reason why I have little confidence in us when it comes to crunch games like this and that is because of the way we set up.

We don't seem to learn from past mistakes and that is the most frustrating part about it.

If Wilder had set up with an attacking team and gone for it and we had lost playing attacking football I can take that but the stats highlight just how poor we were yet again.

The on question I would like to ask Chris Wilder is why is it that we always worry about the opposition instead of letting them worry about us.

We have arguably one of the best midfielders in Hamer yet he was absolutely stiflled in terms of shots on goal these tactics do not suit his game at all.

Good reasoned comment

Tony_Kaufman · Dec 27, 2024

moody1889 said:
If we go up to the Premier League and resorts to these tactics you can guarantee that we will end up in the same position or worse than when he left last time.

There is a very good reason why I have little confidence in us when it comes to crunch games like this and that is because of the way we set up.

We don't seem to learn from past mistakes and that is the most frustrating part about it.

If Wilder had set up with an attacking team and gone for it and we had lost playing attacking football I can take that but the stats highlight just how poor we were yet again.

The on question I would like to ask Chris Wilder is why is it that we always worry about the opposition instead of letting them worry about us.

We have arguably one of the best midfielders in Hamer yet he was absolutely stiflled in terms of shots on goal these tactics do not suit his game at all.

I can pin point the moment Wilder's psychology changed. It was when we blew a 3-0 lead away at Villa Park in the promotion season.

Up until then we played without fear and played with freedom and had swagger about us. Teams feared us home and away. Every Roysview, including the Pigs, praised the football we played and Wilder.

After that game Wilder changed and our style changed and he was hell bent on never letting it happen again. For the remainder of the promotion season we had to battle hard for results rather than convincingly beating teams as we did before. The flat midfield three in our first Premier League season also stifled our attacks and saw us score only 39 goals in 38 games. A rock tight defence did more than it's fair share of seeing us stay up as we didn't create many clear cut chances. Familiar story?

We have never looked like the United of old under Wilder at any point this season. We have the players in the first team but lack depth on the bench, but the tactics are suffocating creativity, instinct and risk going forward. We're too cautious with the ball let alone without it.

Shawy24 · Dec 27, 2024

Tony_Kaufman said:
I can pin point the moment Wilder's psychology changed. It was when we blew a 3-0 lead away at Villa Park in the promotion season.

Up until then we played without fear and played with freedom and had swagger about us. Teams feared us home and away. Every Roysview, including the Pigs, praised the football we played and Wilder.

After that game Wilder changed and our style changed and he was hell bent on never letting it happen again. For the remainder of the promotion season we had to battle hard for results rather than convincingly beating teams as we did before. The flat midfield three in our first Premier League season also stifled our attacks and saw us score only 39 goals in 38 games. A rock tight defence did more than it's fair share of seeing us stay up as we didn't create many clear cut chances. Familiar story?

We have never looked like the United of old under Wilder at any point this season. We have the players in the first team but lack depth on the bench, but the tactics are suffocating creativity, instinct and risk going forward. We're too cautious with the ball let alone without it.

Never liked that flat 3. Killed us as a creative force.

FinchleyBlade · Dec 27, 2024

Tony_Kaufman said:
I can pin point the moment Wilder's psychology changed. It was when we blew a 3-0 lead away at Villa Park in the promotion season.

Up until then we played without fear and played with freedom and had swagger about us. Teams feared us home and away. Every Roysview, including the Pigs, praised the football we played and Wilder.

After that game Wilder changed and our style changed and he was hell bent on never letting it happen again. For the remainder of the promotion season we had to battle hard for results rather than convincingly beating teams as we did before. The flat midfield three in our first Premier League season also stifled our attacks and saw us score only 39 goals in 38 games. A rock tight defence did more than it's fair share of seeing us stay up as we didn't create many clear cut chances. Familiar story?

We have never looked like the United of old under Wilder at any point this season. We have the players in the first team but lack depth on the bench, but the tactics are suffocating creativity, instinct and risk going forward. We're too cautious with the ball let alone without it.

Well whatever he's doing it's clearly working - for us to be 2nd in the table with this squad is unbelievable. Look at the state of our bench, outside of the starting 11 we are very weak. Wilder is massively over achieving with these players.

Tony_Kaufman · Dec 27, 2024

FinchleyBlade said:
Well whatever he's doing it's clearly working - for us to be 2nd in the table with this squad is unbelievable. Look at the state of our bench, outside of the starting 11 we are very weak. Wilder is massively over achieving with these players.

I'm not criticising the results, I'm critical of the performances as we've only put in a complete 90 minute performance on a few occassion. We've only put in 1 good performances over 90 minutes in our last 10 and we were outplayed by Plymouth during that run. There's no criticising the results or what Wilder has achieved with what he's got, especially given a bench that's worse than last season. But the football we play is poor overall in possession and we are far from convincing going forward.

Charlieblade · Dec 28, 2024

FinchleyBlade said:
Well whatever he's doing it's clearly working - for us to be 2nd in the table with this squad is unbelievable. Look at the state of our bench, outside of the starting 11 we are very weak. Wilder is massively over achieving with these players.

The unbareable truth that irks some supporters, is the performances rarely reflect the good results, and that makes a mockery of the league position. It looks good against the Cardiffs, the Oxfords and the Bristol City’s, but it falls apart when we play our promotion rivals like Leeds and Burnley.

The points we have gained are mostly hiding barely adequate performances in most cases..

Hallam Blade · Dec 28, 2024

So the game was a dissapointment, but walking up to the Lane in the fog was marvellous.

Paulus · Dec 28, 2024

Tony_Kaufman said:
I'm not criticising the results, I'm critical of the performances as we've only put in a complete 90 minute performance on a few occassion. We've only put in 1 good performances over 90 minutes in our last 10 and we were outplayed by Plymouth during that run. There's no criticising the results or what Wilder has achieved with what he's got, especially given a bench that's worse than last season. But the football we play is poor overall in possession and we are far from convincing going forward.

Im struggling to see the logic in your argument. Pretty much every Blade can see that the squad is pretty thin in fact most of us are amazed we're in the position we are. But you say you are critical of the performances! CWAK have put teams out pretty much all season that have got results and have been more than competitive in the vast majority of matches. That suggests to me that the management team are fully aware of the strengths and weaknesses they are working with and they are setting up in a way that they think has the best chance of gaining results and they've been amazingly successful at it. No we haven't managed to blast teams away I don't think we've got the squad that can do it. We're having to play players injured, or nurse them through with a half here and there, we're overplaying some of the kids and of course we've lost key players to both suspension and injury that we have got very little cover for. You say we're far from convincing going forward - given the constraints we're working with how would you have set up to appear more convincing going forward against Burnley?

Tony_Kaufman · Dec 28, 2024

Paulus said:
Im struggling to see the logic in your argument. Pretty much every Blade can see that the squad is pretty thin in fact most of us are amazed we're in the position we are. But you say you are critical of the performances! CWAK have put teams out pretty much all season that have got results and have been more than competitive in the vast majority of matches. That suggests to me that the management team are fully aware of the strengths and weaknesses they are working with and they are setting up in a way that they think has the best chance of gaining results and they've been amazingly successful at it. No we haven't managed to blast teams away I don't think we've got the squad that can do it. We're having to play players injured, or nurse them through with a half here and there, we're overplaying some of the kids and of course we've lost key players to both suspension and injury that we have got very little cover for. You say we're far from convincing going forward - given the constraints we're working with how would you have set up to appear more convincing going forward against Burnley?

Not putting a lone striker up top against the best defence in the division for starters. That pretty handed Burnley a huge advantage from the start. But even after that, if you are going to play a lone striker against the best defence in the division then get the ball to him as quickly as possible, which we didn't do due to constant deplorable back passes. Our build up play was often very negative and slow and gave them a chance to drop back in numbers quickly instead of trying to hit them on the break and exploit gaps before they could drop back and fill them.

Add to that if you are going to play a lone striker then make sure you commit other bodies forward to assist him, which we didn't do all game, largely because Hamer, O'Hare and Brewster were all over the place, never near each other or looking for each other. The three of them behind Moore were an absolute disorganised mess.

You could also argue that we could've started with a 5-3-2 or 5-4-1 given who we had available instead of trying to shoehorn players in to the tried and tested 4-2-3-1. We could always change back later in the game when the lack of options on the bench would dictate how we set up and play.

Again good results does not mean good performance. There is a world of difference between the two and we have not put in enough good performances this season. Admittedly I do feel that we look a far bigger and quicker threat with Campbell as Moore is very slow.

Don't get me wrong, I'm thrilled with how we're doing as we are far outdoing my expectations, but I am still waiting for us to click in the final third which we should've done by the halfway point of the season

Keen Blade · Dec 28, 2024

Charlieblade said:
The unbareable truth that irks some supporters, is the performances rarely reflect the good results, and that makes a mockery of the league position. It looks good against the Cardiffs, the Oxfords and the Bristol City’s, but it falls apart when we play our promotion rivals like Leeds and Burnley.

The points we have gained are mostly hiding barely adequate performances in most cases..

What most of us are saying is :

Other squads are stronger than ours

But Wilder has devised a way for us to be top at Christmas
Which is a good achievement

But the method is definitely not attractive to watch , in particular we don't have a fluid exciting way to attack

We look definitely weaker than Burnley & Leeds and have the 2-0 defeats to prove it - so the outlook for getting an auto spot is not great ,
unless 2 changes are made :

Quality recruitment

A much more convincing , faster , more penetrative way of attacking.

Will the new owners seize the opportunity, provided by our slightly false position , to invest in getting an auto spot this season ?

They should , because 25/26 is the last of our parachutes ,
and the pressure to do it that season would be almost intolerable , both financially and scrapping with 3 newly relegated clubs.

January will tell us , so we wait with bated breath.

Charlieblade · Dec 29, 2024

Shadota said:
Bad result, and a disappointing performance.

We were too slow in possession, especially when compared to something of Burnley's spells of possession. We looked very sluggish, especially in the final third; Burnley were quite the opposite - lots of quick one-touch passing which stretched our defence and created pressure.

Our performance today, can be largely attributed to the complete overhaul the squad has, and is, undergoing this season. A vast player turnover, combined with a drastic tactical change, is a perfect recipe for inconsistency.

It's these moments that truly highlight how impressive it is for us to be where we are at this point. We've gained more points than anyone else in the league, despite not being anywhere near the finished article yet.

With the new ownership thankfully now in place, it's hopefully going to be a quite productive JTW for us, so long as we get our recruitment right. Maybe with a bit more strength in depth, we can make games like today a closer contest.

An excellent post and quite right to praise Wlder and the players for their achievements. It does overlook the fact that at least one key player, Arblaster, is not available long term. It does not highlight the fact that Souza has performed well at this level, after a very disappointing season last time out!
The partial squad rebuild has relied on loan players and the inclusion of talented but unproven academy players like Seriki and Peck, or the delay in transition from successful academy development graduate to first teamer of RND! Remember, all those youngsters will have grown up in an academy prepared for working with a back 3.

If we don’t get promoted this season, how long will genuine talent like Hamer and Ahmedhodzic stick around? Their lifespan will always be limited by age anyway. Yes, Wider has done well to get the points and the league position, with a makeshift, partial rebuild. But it is about expectations. If we don’t get promoted, or get the funding to stay in the EPL, how long will we sustain that promotion?

If we get recruitment wrong now, we end up getting relegated again! The JTW is not the place to make big gambles. The new owners are American, so their expectations are probably unrealistic. They will have a plan, but it is unlikely to fully reflect the reality of the big differences between the top two leagues, and the subtlety required to win one, and be sustainable in the other.

In terms our fans might understand, 50m quid represents two quality players. Even if they both produce the goods, we know that it might or might not work or sustain us. The new owners don’t understand that, and two is probably not enough anyway.

Charlieblade · Dec 29, 2024

Keen Blade said:
What most of us are saying is :

Other squads are stronger than ours

But Wilder has devised a way for us to be top at Christmas
Which is a good achievement

But the method is definitely not attractive to watch , in particular we don't have a fluid exciting way to attack

We look definitely weaker than Burnley & Leeds and have the 2-0 defeats to prove it - so the outlook for getting an auto spot is not great ,
unless 2 changes are made :

Quality recruitment

A much more convincing , faster , more penetrative way of attacking.

Will the new owners seize the opportunity, provided by our slightly false position , to invest in getting an auto spot this season ?

They should , because 25/26 is the last of our parachutes ,
and the pressure to do it that season would be almost intolerable , both financially and scrapping with 3 newly relegated clubs.

January will tell us , so we wait with bated breath.

While most of what you say does make sense, the bottom line is that Wilder has got a very good points total, by getting results against weaker opposition, with adequate performances. The results against Sunderland, Bristol City and Plymouth were not good enough for a side needing automatic promotion.
Take a look at the league table. There are 3 teams looking like candidates for automatic promotion, and I would like the Blades to be one of them. Some clubs will play better in the second half of the season, and some will not. The division is as poor as it has ever been this year. The net result is we look a lot better than we are.

Do supporters want Leeds and Burnley to run away with it? They both have great squads and good managers, (my dislike of Parker is irrelevant). Maybe Watford, Blackburn or Sunderland will find better form to finish the season. Hating Leeds and hoping they slip up is not good enough. Wilder has improved his player rotation and individual management, but without greater depth and quality we will suffer. I have little faith in Americans holding the key to instant promotion and sustainability.

Like it or not, this represents the probable truth in the short and medium term. How many of you are looking forward to a successful play off this season! We needed at least two players from a fickle JTW, but now the loss of Arblaster and Souttar has sunk in, what will we see?

Keen Blade · Dec 29, 2024

Charlieblade said:
While most of what you say does make sense, the bottom line is that Wilder has got a very good points total, by getting results against weaker opposition, with adequate performances. The results against Sunderland, Bristol City and Plymouth were not good enough for a side needing automatic promotion.
Take a look at the league table. There are 3 teams looking like candidates for automatic promotion, and I would like the Blades to be one of them. Some clubs will play better in the second half of the season, and some will not. The division is as poor as it has ever been this year. The net result is we look a lot better than we are.

Do supporters want Leeds and Burnley to run away with it? They both have great squads and good managers, (my dislike of Parker is irrelevant). Maybe Watford, Blackburn or Sunderland will find better form to finish the season. Hating Leeds and hoping they slip up is not good enough. Wilder has improved his player rotation and individual management, but without greater depth and quality we will suffer. I have little faith in Americans holding the key to instant promotion and sustainability.

Like it or not, this represents the probable truth in the short and medium term. How many of you are looking forward to a successful play off this season! We needed at least two players from a fickle JTW, but now the loss of Arblaster and Souttar has sunk in, what will we see?

Time alone will tell

moody1889 · Dec 29, 2024

Tony_Kaufman said:
I can pin point the moment Wilder's psychology changed. It was when we blew a 3-0 lead away at Villa Park in the promotion season.

Up until then we played without fear and played with freedom and had swagger about us. Teams feared us home and away. Every Roysview, including the Pigs, praised the football we played and Wilder.

After that game Wilder changed and our style changed and he was hell bent on never letting it happen again. For the remainder of the promotion season we had to battle hard for results rather than convincingly beating teams as we did before. The flat midfield three in our first Premier League season also stifled our attacks and saw us score only 39 goals in 38 games. A rock tight defence did more than it's fair share of seeing us stay up as we didn't create many clear cut chances. Familiar story?

We have never looked like the United of old under Wilder at any point this season. We have the players in the first team but lack depth on the bench, but the tactics are suffocating creativity, instinct and risk going forward. We're too cautious with the ball let alone without it.

That is exactly how I see it the Wilder pre Villa game that you refer too if we reverted to those very same tactics with the likes of Hamer O Hare Jes etc I dare say we would dish out some serious beatings.

But by and large we have been a shadow of our former selves.

We have literally sh*t housed so many results and soon as we come up against quality opposition we are found wanting.

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