Sheffield United vs Burnley

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Sheffield United SUFC 0 - 2
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Half Time: 0 - 1
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Half Time: 0 - 1
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EFL Championship Matchweek 23 - Thursday 26th December 2024 - 15:00 - Bramall Lane
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Or expected to do much isolated up top alone against the best defence in the league with no service and no support. Naive approach from Wilder with that one. Instant advantage to Burnley.

We needed 4-3-3 today not 4-2-3-1 with One and Brewster flanking Moore and Hamer, Souza and O'Hare behind them.
No Peck ? Hmm , maybe.

We certainly needed Alfie to remember he's playing RB not CB.
 

Terrible performance, shown no urgency even at 2-0 down. Just pass it around the back and play an aimless ball to give possession away constantly.
Harsh ... I think by that stage they realised they had no idea how to get through a very good Burnley side.

We had no tools good enough for the job ... Over to you COH.
 
No Peck ? Hmm , maybe.

We certainly needed Alfie to remember he's playing RB not CB.
Peck is nothing special. Sorry. He's a trier who pumps his fist at full time. Other than that he's Nick Montgomery the 2nd. Gets stuck in, not afraid to tackle, but inconsistent and woeful with the ball when he tries any kind of influential or forward pass. He was the same in the development team last year. A solid engine and great at getting stuck in, but awful with the ball. I'm just not convinced by him. The good performances are heavily outnumbered by the poor ones and he shouldn't be anywhere near the starting line up in my opinion. He's better than Brooks but miles off Arblaster.
 
We were more or less even until Burnley scored. Neither team looked like scoring. Then our right back switches off and we're one down.

Start of the second half, were piling on the pressure and an equaliser is vert much a possibility. Then they get a freak goal and it's game over. We know we're never going to get two against the Burnley defence.

So, not a good performance, but seriously not wrist slitting stuff..
Agree but it was the third time our RB switched off - we got away with it the first two times
 
I couldn't agree more. The game was exactly what I expected. Tight defensively and decided by the only real bit of quality. I didn't think Burnley were anything extraordinary. If anything it shows how big the gap is between the Premier League and the championship, as both these clubs were woeful last season, but are currently sat in the top two.
Sorry but Burnley were the away team and were a significant enough cut above us to deserve a 1-0 win
2-0 flattered them.
But our squad is steadily degenerating through injury and Hamer looks like he can't be arsed any more.
Desperately need an injection of quality & experience , exactly as CW has said.
Souza nowhere near the player he was , obviously carrying injury.
Souttar now crocked.
Both players for which I have long commented we have no equivalent cover.
And Peck is not Blaster.
And just as Campbell starts a scoring streak , he's out injured.
This is a sliding doors moment.
Sorry COH , you'll have to dig deep ...
And fast
 
Agree with all of that. We haven't looked the same since we lost Arblaster. Davies looks the most natural replacement for Olly. Peck and Vini are too similar for me.
Blaster could receive & pass effectively.
Neither Souza (recently) not Peck can do that.
Our squad has steadily degraded since losing Blaster , through bans & injuries.
It's to CW credit that we've managed to keep winning but we really are on the barest of bare bones now.
 
We always seem to play like we are 2 up. All teams are happy for us to pass it side to side at the back knowing that without a string of intricate play, a mistake, or a bloody good goal (Cardiffx2) we aren't a constant threat or even a slight nuisance for the opposition.
 
I thought it was pretty even and I was happy with how things were going until they scored. Them scored ruined our gameplan but up until then I thought we were fine and that the game way pretty even - we might have edged it, not sure.

After that it all went a bit tits and it was a frustrating one but I don't think it's any reason to throw our toys out the pram just yet.
 
Think you are forgetting a lot
Like what? We regularly would beat Liverpool at home when they were world beaters and under Harris league rivals in D2 were routinely despatched. Not now. Id say Warnock had a go but wasnt as successful at it. Sometimes you need an outscore slug-fest aka Blades 5 Brighton 4.

So far this season weve lost to 3 in the top 7 (obv we are in the top 7) and not scored a goal against them either. Wilder making the same mistake as last time. It is GOALS that win you games, not defences. Solid defences are a start, but not the end result. I dont think CW can pick out a decent goalscorer tbh. Can we drag poor old DB back to help? It is CW's major weakness, there again he was a defender.
 
CW doesn't believe what he's said there - it's for public consumption to avoid harming players morale.
He's already said we need 2/3 quality experienced players and we need another one now Souttar is out.
If we don't get 4 quality players in January we can forget autos.
That's the message to COH so let's see the colour of their money.
 
Like what? We regularly would beat Liverpool at home when they were world beaters and under Harris league rivals in D2 were routinely despatched. Not now. Id say Warnock had a go but wasnt as successful at it. Sometimes you need an outscore slug-fest aka Blades 5 Brighton 4.

So far this season weve lost to 3 in the top 7 (obv we are in the top 7) and not scored a goal against them either. Wilder making the same mistake as last time. It is GOALS that win you games, not defences. Solid defences are a start, but not the end result. I dont think CW can pick out a decent goalscorer tbh. Can we drag poor old DB back to help? It is CW's major weakness, there again he was a defender.
02/03 , 05/06 , 18/19 , 19/20 , 21/22 , 22/23
 

How many games have we just gone unbeaten before today? Now we should change formation and Wilder is not good enough. Recognise the job he and the players have done to get us in this position, not knee jerk critisise when we lose a game.

2nd on goal difference, beating lots of teams that the Burnleys and Leeds cant means that we are where we deserve to be. I am very happy with where we are and the approach being taken to get there.

Off I clap............
 
Bad result, and a disappointing performance.

We were too slow in possession, especially when compared to something of Burnley's spells of possession. We looked very sluggish, especially in the final third; Burnley were quite the opposite - lots of quick one-touch passing which stretched our defence and created pressure.

Our performance today, can be largely attributed to the complete overhaul the squad has, and is, undergoing this season. A vast player turnover, combined with a drastic tactical change, is a perfect recipe for inconsistency.

It's these moments that truly highlight how impressive it is for us to be where we are at this point. We've gained more points than anyone else in the league, despite not being anywhere near the finished article yet.

With the new ownership thankfully now in place, it's hopefully going to be a quite productive JTW for us, so long as we get our recruitment right. Maybe with a bit more strength in depth, we can make games like today a closer contest.
 
Love morons like you!! You're so funny

Spend the first part of your paragraph slagging those off for slagging the team off and then spend the second half saying we should have done things differently!

Unless you're post is ironic, i put it to you sir, you're a bit of a wally who probably needs a hug!
I'm slagging supporters off for wanting the manager out for our defeat.Wilder can't make all the right decisions all the time especially with the limited team selection today & that's what I would have done. Your very odd comment ... go hug yourself &stop acting like a fanny.
 
6 seasons in 24. Bloody hell - magic blades.
You are definitely a bear.
A bear with a sore head.

You quote Harris , D2 rivals routinely dispatched - yes , one season , 70/71.
Probably the best season in my lifetime of attending.
You quote Bassett , one D2 season , 89/90.
Wtf is the point you are making ?
I remind you of recent exciting seasons.
You say it's too little.
You are the definition of the 'entitled' fan - what do you expect ?

Comment & criticise performances by all means , but to go back to a couple of halcyon periods in the last 50 odd years is just pointless - the football world has changed a bit since then.

We had an inevitable almighty clearout in the summer and had no money to spend - the job of rebuilding was huge and yet we are joint top of the league , hounded by 2 big-budget clubs in Burnley & Leeds.
Our thin squad is now suffering from injuries but we've been acquired by an outfit who've said they'll fund some new players in January.

Yes CW was a defender and Yes our attacking game is not brilliant but that's no reason to say :

"The last team we could beat the bigger teams was under Harris & possibly Bassett"

It's just not true
Have a look at Warnock & Wilder's records.
 
We lost to Burnley, but we are still top of the table!

That position is built on poor foundations and we seem incapable of putting together 2 decent 45 minute performances consistently. The inconsistency comes from trying to develop youth players to fill gaps. From the surprise performances of Vini Souza, compared to last seasons poor standards.It comes from the painstaking, slow development of Tom Davies, into the player we all know and hope he can be.
It arrives on the back of several performances against lesser teams, who might now step up and take points from us.

Wilder has done well under these circumstances, with injuries and suspensions hitting a paper thin squad of enthusiastic players who are well motivated, but lacking in consistency and performance levels, due to player turnover, youth injections, and players adjusting to new team mates.

Worth remembering that the side who started today were picked based on difficult fixtures coming very close together.

Does top spot look good on us, he’ll yes, but most of the credit for that sits with Wilder, and I am not his biggest fan.

Do we need more? Yes, we need more from the players we have already, and some jadditions who are PL ready now.

One of two things will happen. 1, We sink in our promotion bid, and slip back to mid table because we are unlikely to gain the same points as we did in the first half of the season. 2. Any financial input from COH is much needed, but the JTW is notorious regarding the availability of quality, and the success of new players joinining a threadbare squad!

Bottom line is, we are on a hiding to nothing regarding automatic promotion this season. The saving grace will be Widers performance, and the good fortune of our relatively new and cash starved recruitment operations.

I suppose a lot depends on how quickly COH expect a return on their investment. Another season like the last on will kill the players, and the supporters!
 
I’m disappointed as a win would’ve taken us 7pts clear of Burnley, and that would’ve been significant!
But yesterday for me was just one of those days where everything and anything that could’ve gone wrong did! Yes it was all our own fault for Burnley’s first, we gave their LM lad the freedom of Sheffield so that’s our fault! But poor refereeing decisions, deflections, injuries culminated in a fairly torrid afternoon for us Blades!
I agree with Wilder, I didn’t think there was much ‘in it’ at all. Burnley are a very good team and they beat us, it’s not the end of the World, we go again… we bounce back on Sunday and all is good with the world once again.
Looking forward, Soutter is a huge concern, if he’s out we will need to replace him as best we can.
On a positive note, if we can get BBD and Morton in early doors that will give everyone a huge lift as we head into the 2nd half of the season.
By my reckoning we need 13 wins from 23 games. We can afford to lose some games, it’s our ability to beat the ‘lesser’ teams that will define our season. UTB ⚔️
 
We lost to Burnley, but we are still top of the table!

That position is built on poor foundations and we seem incapable of putting together 2 decent 45 minute performances consistently. The inconsistency comes from trying to develop youth players to fill gaps. From the surprise performances of Vini Souza, compared to last seasons poor standards.It comes from the painstaking, slow development of Tom Davies, into the player we all know and hope he can be.
It arrives on the back of several performances against lesser teams, who might now step up and take points from us.

Wilder has done well under these circumstances, with injuries and suspensions hitting a paper thin squad of enthusiastic players who are well motivated, but lacking in consistency and performance levels, due to player turnover, youth injections, and players adjusting to new team mates.

Worth remembering that the side who started today were picked based on difficult fixtures coming very close together.

Does top spot look good on us, he’ll yes, but most of the credit for that sits with Wilder, and I am not his biggest fan.

Do we need more? Yes, we need more from the players we have already, and some jadditions who are PL ready now.

One of two things will happen. 1, We sink in our promotion bid, and slip back to mid table because we are unlikely to gain the same points as we did in the first half of the season. 2. Any financial input from COH is much needed, but the JTW is notorious regarding the availability of quality, and the success of new players joinining a threadbare squad!

Bottom line is, we are on a hiding to nothing regarding automatic promotion this season. The saving grace will be Widers performance, and the good fortune of our relatively new and cash starved recruitment operations.

I suppose a lot depends on how quickly COH expect a return on their investment. Another season like the last on will kill the players, and the supporters!

Dirty Leeds may disagree with your opening statement but we are in a very strong position.
 
Not a very nice experience I know. but actually this defeat in front of the new owners could well be a great wake up call.

Out of the ashes of defeat and all that,....... ;)
 
Dirty Leeds may disagree with your opening statement but we are in a very strong position.
No we are not, and Dirty Leeds proved it. Our league position is not sustainable for the reasons given. I don’t like that either, but it’s better to be honest about where we are, than to gloss over it.
 
Highlight of the game was clapping two people around the pitch because they are the front of a consortium...
 
Firstly, we can't win every game. So the rub of the green can go against you on occasions. Deflected goals do happen.
The team looked under prepared to me. They should have known and realised Scot Parkers teams always play dirty themselves, and then dive around when breathed on. We should have been prepared and smart enough to expose this. Stand back, when you know they're about to dive etc...
The ref was stupid and got conned.

Brewster and Moore do not work together. Mind you McB and Brewster didn't work either. Hmm...something common there.🤔 Doesn't Wilder see this?
I like Sydie, but if you have both Vinnie and Davies available for a crunch game, why not play them? They are two, of our few, Premiership standard players.
So imo, under prepared, poor team selection, weak squad, out thought by Parker, Burnley are well organised but play a nasty game. I would rather lose, than play that "in your face" nasty cheating style of football, the same he was at Bournemouth. On top of all that we really didn't get the rub. That's 2 weird deflected goals against recently.

Wilder has done wonders with the cards he was dealt, but I still worry about his strategy and game planning at times.
Tough run of games coming up though, hope psychologically it hasn't affected them.
 
Firstly, we can't win every game. So the rub of the green can go against you on occasions. Deflected goals do happen.
The team looked under prepared to me. They should have known and realised Scot Parkers teams always play dirty themselves, and then dive around when breathed on. We should have been prepared and smart enough to expose this. Stand back, when you know they're about to dive etc...
The ref was stupid and got conned.

Brewster and Moore do not work together. Mind you McB and Brewster didn't work either. Hmm...something common there.🤔 Doesn't Wilder see this?
I like Sydie, but if you have both Vinnie and Davies available for a crunch game, why not play them? They are two, of our few, Premiership standard players.
So imo, under prepared, poor team selection, weak squad, out thought by Parker, Burnley are well organised but play a nasty game. I would rather lose, than play that "in your face" nasty cheating style of football, the same he was at Bournemouth. On top of all that we really didn't get the rub. That's 2 weird deflected goals against recently.

Wilder has done wonders with the cards he was dealt, but I still worry about his strategy and game planning at times.
Tough run of games coming up though, hope psychologically it hasn't affected them.
The first of a tough run, always dictares selection and it will have an effect on the tactical approach, provided the players listen, and do what they are told. Right now we can’t tell if they didn’t know what they were supposed to be doing, or simply weren’t up for it again?
 

As I’ve said before, in the big games have we seen any step up in managerial ability from wilder from last season?
In truth we appeared frightened of big games, its like the play off games where we never turn up! United (except under Warnock are unfortunately a soft touch in them). I agree with Wilder that we should have had a free kick, but look at 1. The defending for the first goal, 2. We never EVER put them under pressure, 3. We don't seem to have a plan when we get the ball and indeed we labelled a long ball team (by the Burnley manager). 4. We never had any clear cut chances. 5. The injury list is mounting up again. 6. Peck is not the answer (will become a good player) but too many games for him at the moment. 7. As someone eluded to, we have no width, whatsoever, Moore needs balls in from the wings not hopeful punts to the centre circle.....................................the list goes on and on. I'm sorry but that is the reality as i see it!
 

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