Selles replacement

[nopigfansintown]

Don't know much about Mousinho. Out of the above names the only one who has successfully implemented high pressing football (relative to the quality of his players) is sausage. If the strategy is a coherent one he'd be the one I'd expect. So far Selles has tried and failed to implement that style.

Anybody have any knowledge of Mousinho/Pompey's football?

 

[Aston max]

Depending on how Selles gets on over the next few games will ultimately dictate how things go. We have options mentioned above, with our limited spend in terms of budget and I am going to through some names out there that haven't been mentioned (at least not too much)

1) Sir Gareth Southgate Pluses bringing in a name that has worked with England U21s and 1st teamers, could easily work with the an English team, would also bring some profile to the club and knows how to work under pressure in arguably the most pressurised job in the game. Downsides doesn't throw instant wow factor also has not had a lot of league opportunities.

2) Chris Hughton - Pluses has a promotion from the Championship on his CV with Brighton as well as keeping them up, has also overseen several other large clubs such as Newcastle, Forest, Birmingham and Norwich. Downside career has taken a different guise taking over as technical manager/manager of Ghana

3) Ralph Hasenhüttl - Pluses has experience of the English game with Southampton and the Premier League, he has also managed to keep sides out of relegation scraps in both England and Germany. Also isn't afraid of tinkering different formations and does like high pressing. Downsides has had some battering's as a coach (Southampton vs Leicester) and no experience in the Championship

2 massive wildcards

1) Jürgen Klinsmann - Could be a shout for a DoF as has done that before, would bring huge profile to the club. salary to get him to Toronto was £1million a year so not as bad as some might think. Downside not sure what he could do managerial wise

2) Rui Jorge - Former Portugal U21/ U23 coach- Pluses, brings profile being a recent Portugal international and high profile player, Portugal U21 coach he had a points per game ratio of 2.27 out of 127 matches. Downsides Not done a right lot yet and is fairly fresh we could end up with Selles Mk2

Good shout but if it was a choice I'd give Southgate a go at DOF now and let him run the football side including setting up the dore/academy project.
Coach I'd go for hasenhuttl as I think he's got a closer football style to Southgate.
As you say it'd definitely raise the profile of the club.
But it's all down to COH and their long term ambition

 

[LBA_Blade]

Good shout but if it was a choice I'd give Southgate a go at DOF now and let him run the football side including setting up the dore/academy project.
Coach I'd go for hasenhuttl as I think he's got a closer football style to Southgate.
As you say it'd definitely raise the profile of the club.
But it's all down to COH and their long term ambition

That would be a great combo!

 

[Upton_Blade]

For your your esteemed information I am not obsessed with Mr Bettis.

And yet you manage to shoehorn him into a large portion of your posts even when he isn't relevant to the topic.

For your information I've worked in higher management and owned my own company so have dealings with many CEOs, globally not just in the UK.

Good for you. Literally no one cares but thanks for enlightening us on your background.

The negatives are there to be seen with Mr Bettis and his anti Director of Football statement to the Star in March 2024 being an example.

If you genuinely believe that then there isn't much point in continuing but seeing as that seems to be the one and only thing you have that has made you decide he's useless then I'll bite. I, like many on here, know of the "statement" as you put it. It was about as far from your description as you can get. All he said was that a DOF wasn't planned at that time. Just have a think who was manager at the time and what his stance on a DOF was. Why would Bettis come out and say they were actively looking at a DOF when the current manager was so vehemently against one?

Like it or like it not the "modern culture" of football includes Directors of Football/Sporting Directors/Technical Directors, we still haven't moved in that direction. This would have been an ideal time for Ruben Selles and a DoF/SpDir to integrate and strengthen the football management part of the club.

I agree completely. A competent structure off the field led by an elite DOF means that the whole ethos of the club gets ingrained from top to bottom. It means if a Head Coach leaves the club already has a blueprint for the type of HC to come in. It's worked a treat for various teams. Brighton probably being the prime example.

From my business experience very often some people in management are very "precious" with their empire and don't like to relinquish parts of it to other people just as, or more capable than themselves.

Firstly it's not "his empire". He's an employee just like the rest who's job it is to deliver what the owners, whoever they may be, decide. Even if we brought in the type of structure that you seem so passionate about he would still be the top dog barring the owners and the DOF would still report into him. I'd hazard a guess he'd actually love some of his workload being handled by someone else.

SUFC needs improved "leadership" this side of the pond to embrace the way forward by thinking outside the box, being dynamic with global football knowledge/experience, being able to formulate/implement strategies and communicate those strategies.

Lastly there is literally zero evidence that he is not capable of doing this. Apart from, in your opinion, what has been discussed above. Without wanting to go over old ground he is still an employee and will be tasked with implementing the owners strategies. Unless he has been given complete carte blanche over running the club but I would highly doubt that considering how successful American businessmen work normally.

 

[Houston_Blade]

Depending on how Selles gets on over the next few games will ultimately dictate how things go. We have options mentioned above, with our limited spend in terms of budget and I am going to through some names out there that haven't been mentioned (at least not too much)

1) Sir Gareth Southgate Pluses bringing in a name that has worked with England U21s and 1st teamers, could easily work with the an English team, would also bring some profile to the club and knows how to work under pressure in arguably the most pressurised job in the game. Downsides doesn't throw instant wow factor also has not had a lot of league opportunities.

2) Chris Hughton - Pluses has a promotion from the Championship on his CV with Brighton as well as keeping them up, has also overseen several other large clubs such as Newcastle, Forest, Birmingham and Norwich. Downside career has taken a different guise taking over as technical manager/manager of Ghana

3) Ralph Hasenhüttl - Pluses has experience of the English game with Southampton and the Premier League, he has also managed to keep sides out of relegation scraps in both England and Germany. Also isn't afraid of tinkering different formations and does like high pressing. Downsides has had some battering's as a coach (Southampton vs Leicester) and no experience in the Championship

2 massive wildcards

1) Jürgen Klinsmann - Could be a shout for a DoF as has done that before, would bring huge profile to the club. salary to get him to Toronto was £1million a year so not as bad as some might think. Downside not sure what he could do managerial wise

2) Rui Jorge - Former Portugal U21/ U23 coach- Pluses, brings profile being a recent Portugal international and high profile player, Portugal U21 coach he had a points per game ratio of 2.27 out of 127 matches. Downsides Not done a right lot yet and is fairly fresh we could end up with Selles Mk2

I’d say that Southgate and Hassenhutl would be out of our price range, as would Klinsmann.

Hughton seems like the most beige football manager around. Rui Jorge has no club experience.

 

[LBA_Blade]

I’d say that Southgate and Hassenhutl would be out of our price range, as would Klinsmann.

Hughton seems like the most beige football manager around. Rui Jorge has no club experience.

It depends on how quickly they get results. Klinsmann was on £1million a year at Toronto which is a 10th of a Cannon signing, imagine the PR on the back of that type of signing too. Hughton is beige but has results especially under his Brighton time. Jorge for me was a bit of an interesting one, base level Portugal club football but some impressive stats and points per matches when in the U23s at Portugal and is currently has the record of the highest ppm for an unattached coach and it was over 127 games too.

 

[ISZA ⚔️]

Only one man can save us now and that’s Andy Hessenthaler

 

[Champagneblade]

When Selles appointment was announced Southgate was in the top 5 and even now Southgate is 12/1 with the bookies as the next manager. The purpose of looking was mainly just to see who else could work. The advantage to Southgate is the development work he has done with young top end players, the downside is the lack of Championship manager experience. You mention the failure, agreed he didn't win anything but also united a nation to a point of belief. He was so close to being the best manager on record for England.

The downside with Southgate is that he completely shit the bed at Boro. Got them relegated when they were pretty well established.

It was pure Johnny on the spot luck that got him the England job.

 

[Gin&Juice]

Why does it always have to be a British Gritty manager? Just because this Forrun is shit, they all must be!

 

[Blade56]

Depending on how Selles gets on over the next few games will ultimately dictate how things go. We have options mentioned above, with our limited spend in terms of budget and I am going to through some names out there that haven't been mentioned (at least not too much)

1) Sir Gareth Southgate Pluses bringing in a name that has worked with England U21s and 1st teamers, could easily work with the an English team, would also bring some profile to the club and knows how to work under pressure in arguably the most pressurised job in the game. Downsides doesn't throw instant wow factor also has not had a lot of league opportunities.

Bit of a dodgy call, I noted he never picked Jonny forriners in his last gig.

Just sayin

 

[Houston_Blade]

It depends on how quickly they get results. Klinsmann was on £1million a year at Toronto which is a 10th of a Cannon signing, imagine the PR on the back of that type of signing too. Hughton is beige but has results especially under his Brighton time. Jorge for me was a bit of an interesting one, base level Portugal club football but some impressive stats and points per matches when in the U23s at Portugal and is currently has the record of the highest ppm for an unattached coach and it was over 127 games too.

It definitely depends on the budget but we were paying Hecky around £400k a year from what I understand, assuming Wilder mk1 ended up on around £1m in the PL because he renegotiated his contract every 5 games!

Selles can’t be expensive because he’s shit.

I also take the Portugal u23’s with a pinch of salt not knowing the level of opposition, our u21 manager for example will have an amazing ppg but they play shite academies most of the time.

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

I’m actually surprised we’ve not sacked him yet, all the players had to watch him receive that stick from the fans last week.

 

[3Cheers4Ramirez]

With things like this thread, there is no way the owners won't be aware who the fans want

They might not act on it, probably won't, but they'll 100% be aware what the fans think

And the fans know much more than they do about football

 

[Edgar Allan Poo]

I’m actually surprised we’ve not sacked him yet, all the players had to watch him receive that stick from the fans last week.

It's also possible that those amongst us who booed may have to eat some humble pie if things take an upturn.

 

[SandyMcBlade]

To change Managers at this stage could well be too expensive, for surely any new manager would want to bring in his own players.

 

[luffenhamblade]

It's also possible that those amongst us who booed may have to eat some humble pie if things take an upturn.

Why, there has to be an upturn with the toy cupboard that someone at the club just bought. How does that change the ineptitude that we have witnessed?

 

[Booker4]

When Selles appointment was announced Southgate was in the top 5 and even now Southgate is 12/1 with the bookies as the next manager. The purpose of looking was mainly just to see who else could work. The advantage to Southgate is the development work he has done with young top end players, the downside is the lack of Championship manager experience. You mention the failure, agreed he didn't win anything but also united a nation to a point of belief. He was so close to being the best manager on record for England.

Selles was also lorded for his work developing young players though.

ItIt seems irrelevant at the minute since it looks like Selles is going to get longer anyway which I do agree with in principle because four games is not a long time and not a good look to sack a manager after just four games but he's been that bad id sack him now! I know that's a contradiction!

 

[RAP51]

Selles was also lorded for his work developing young players though.

ItIt seems irrelevant at the minute since it looks like Selles is going to get longer anyway which I do agree with in principle because four games is not a long time and not a good look to sack a manager after just four games but he's been that bad id sack him now! I know that's a contradiction!

Maybe we could use Selles to coach at the academy rather than pay him off if we bring in a new first team coach

 

[Edgar Allan Poo]

Why, there has to be an upturn with the toy cupboard that someone at the club just bought. How does that change the ineptitude that we have witnessed?

Maybe there will and maybe there won't. There has been a significant influx of new blood since the Middlesborough game who have no loyalty to Wilder.

Time will tell. I still don't believe in booing my own team or it's manager. Each to their own.

 

[raul]

Are Chrisseh
Who are in't Banner
Hallowed be thy name
Thy Kingdom come(home)
The Spaniard is done
At t'Lane as he is on twitter
Give us this day our 92 points
And forgive us our trespasses
As we forgive Rodwell, Cannon and Wembley
And lead us not into relegation
But deliver us some sandwiches
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Forever and ever
Ten Men ( after a defeat)

 

[jono_t2000]

People saying the same about Dyche... and thats fair enough, I can actually see a struggling prem side crying out for his gruff charms if the shit hits the fan.

I actually think with Mee now locked in, getting Dyche could be somewhat of a masterstroke.

Dyche as manager, Mee as club captain would set the standard massively.

Could also be a bit if an incentive for Dyche

 

[Frank the tank]

Dyche won't come
He's Wilders best mate for a start and I'm not sure he would drop to the championship for any club especially one that sacks a manger after half a dozen games

 

[bonobo]

So, his tactic was to get our better players on the ball, whilst having enough solidity to keep it tight at the other end.

Seems sensible. Wouldn’t we want to get Hamer as involved as possible? Perhaps Ogbene too?

Let’s face it, if you remove the Blades affiliation that always draws some rolling of the eyes, he’s more qualified than most on the list and arguably inherited a very similar situation; a foreign coach who bamboozles the playing staff. Just because he’s been here before should not go against him. He’s not a Bladey Blade Manager but he is a bloke who speaks and acts with dignity and was the patsy for poor backing in the PL.

O’Neil has no promotions, has inherited decent squads and been binned only for his successor to do miles better, twice.

Carrick has no promotions and went backwards in the end.

Rohl no promotions, a pretty jammy survival (see Boro air shot, QPR away ricochet) then did ok in a low point 12th spot.

Cooper failed at Leicester. He was a a stud length away from Hecky deservedly knocking him out of the Play offs and won the penalty kick lottery. Benefited from a ludicrous 30 man recruitment policy though creditably managed to make it work. His successor is doing far better.

Mousinho up and coming though no promotion to PL.

Dyche, outstanding candidate. Got teams promoted, kept them up repeatedly on budget. Eats gravel.

My choice would be Dyche then Hecky once Dyche has probably said no.

I do give up a bit, when people make out Heckingbottom was lucky in the squad he had. Developing a system to accommodate genuinely creative players and get them on the ball regularly in the areas where they can do the most damage, while maintaining a rigourous defensive shape across the pitch....kind of sounds like the tactics our current coach could learn from.

 

[Nick Jansky]

The downside with Southgate is that he completely shit the bed at Boro. Got them relegated when they were pretty well established.

It was pure Johnny on the spot luck that got him the England job.

That was quite a while ago when he was a young manager. He might have subsequently learned a bit through his experiences since then.

 

[ITALIANO BLADE]

....NO ONES GOOD ENOUGH FOR SHEFFIELD UNTED FC .NOT EVEN THE SPECIAL ONE THEY WILL BE SACKED LIKE EVERY OTHER EX AFFER IF THEY DONT WIN....UTB..

 

[ancientblade]

Do you think the owners have already got somebody lined up ancient?

i believe these rumours about carrick but i do believe if we lose at ipswich selles will be sacked lots on here not too impressed with the carrick rumours but i think he would suit us he would get us organised and playing good football again plus play a system that suits the players we have selles certainly hasnt done that

 

[Andy67]

The tactic was get it to Ndiaye or McAtee and hope they do something. No thanks

Like all teams that approach is appreciated by fans. When the ball doesn’t go to those players the fans get frustrated, I often feel that we don’t get the ball to Barry enough and I’m hoping they get the ball to the fast lad we have signed. The joy of watching Coutts, Norwood, and Berge was them finding those of your seat players. Heckingbottom is a very good coach and unfortunately we have Selles and his back room staff that are poor, even former players making remarks that clearly come from players who are currently at the club that raise questions about the quality of them. I’m not wanting him yet but he needs at least 7 points from the next four. I found it frustrating that we have gone from Knill and McCall who have hundreds of games and assistant coaching at this level and McCall playing at the highest level and has been an assistant and manager when Selles and his coaches were probably still in short trousers. Is it a surprise that they look out of their depth.

 

[Andy67]

Your obsession with Bettis really is getting quite tiresome.

A lot of people with a huge amount more inside knowledge than the majority of fans about that side of football have the highest respect for him and pretty much all say how highly competent he is in his role. A role he has now held under not 1 but 3 different owners/ownership groups.

But hey he was shown smiling a few days after out best manager of the last 20 years walked out so he must be a snek and useless at his job.

Pathetic.

He’s entitled to his opinion, you make it sound like he’s attacking a relative. I think Bettis represents the interests of his employers and he’d be stupid not to. I don’t think he would have anything to do with the sacking of Wilder and appointment of Selles so I can’t say how he is sullied. If the person who made the decision to appoint Selles should step forward and tell the rest of the board that they made a rash appointment then that would be more positive than sacking Bettis.

 

[luffenhamblade]

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Maybe there will and maybe there won't. There has been a significant influx of new blood since the Middlesborough game who have no loyalty to Wilder.

Time will tell. I still don't believe in booing my own team or it's manager. Each to their own.

100% agree about not booing the team or manager, pathetic behaviour, but analysing their ability and performance is a completely different thing.

 

[Andy67]

That was quite a while ago when he was a young manager. He might have subsequently learned a bit through his experiences since then.

Not enough domestic league experience.