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Berkshire Blade said:
I really think people forget how half built the squad was first half of the season ( especially with the blaster injury) Peck made 45 appearances and he is miles away from what a promotion chasing championship side needs same with Brooks and seriki who got 25 or so each
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We had no divine right to finish top two with Leeds and Burnley being exceptional.

Our Play off curse simply continues. VAR not being there and it would have been wrapped up. Keith Hackett as ref and it would have been wrapped up; and he’s a Wednesdayite!

The team was ready to go again. It didn’t require a mass overhaul or getting rid of its leader. Other club’s fans think we were mad to get rid of Wilder. That’s a telling sign, surely?
 
Champagneblade said:
We had no divine right to finish top two with Leeds and Burnley being exceptional.

Our Play off curse simply continues. VAR not being there and it would have been wrapped up. Keith Hackett as ref and it would have been wrapped up; and he’s a Wednesdayite!

The team was ready to go again. It didn’t require a mass overhaul or getting rid of its leader. Other club’s fans think we were mad to get rid of Wilder. That’s a telling sign, surely?
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No he had to go

People need to be honest here, there were about 20-30 games last season that could easily have gone another way

Now I’m not intentionally being unfair on wilder, I’m not saying get rid of him because we didn’t play like Brazil all season

But there was every reason to suspect that this season would have been similar except that more of those 20/30 games would have gone different, those games we won by a single goal but we were clearly the second best team on the day, more of those would have gone a different way

Wilder showed the whole world v Sunderland , we had them down on floor with our foot on them and they were lucky to get in ht 1 down

They changed tactics and then wilder retreated back to what he had done most of the season, he tried to win 1-0 and didn’t react and as soon as they scored one it was done, we all know it

Yes we got 90 points but there was quite a few games to say the least were we played like a lower league team and we won 1-0

Was wilder going to take us down to L1, doubtful, but it was also highly doubtful we were getting away with playing meh for most of season and getting 90 points again

But mainly Wilder had to go because his set up wasn’t keeping us up if we got up

That’s why we have to change, we need to find some way to get up and stay up and he wasn’t the man
 
Champagneblade said:
We had no divine right to finish top two with Leeds and Burnley being exceptional.

Our Play off curse simply continues. VAR not being there and it would have been wrapped up. Keith Hackett as ref and it would have been wrapped up; and he’s a Wednesdayite!

The team was ready to go again. It didn’t require a mass overhaul or getting rid of its leader. Other club’s fans think we were mad to get rid of Wilder. That’s a telling sign, surely?
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True, our play-off curse continued but that team would have got completely smashed every week and Wilder wouldn’t have been good enough to stop it or recruit the right type of players to build a competent Premiership squad.

And yes, most other fans thought getting rid of Wilder was a big mistake as they only see our club from the outside and not necessarily the things we see week in week out. He had his shot, we had some brilliant times and now that time has moved on.

I’ve watched the Blades for 50+ years and apart from that superb early 70’s team we have been “plucky old Sheffield United” who manage to battle away and manage a few good seasons in the top league but then fall behind because the club don’t ever kick on and build on our (limited) successes.

Selles certainly doesn’t seem the right appointment at the moment but I’m probably in the minority of fans that think there needs to be a change in the way our club approaches football. Other clubs now established in the Premiership were playing Championship football 10 years ago. Money has obviously played a massive part in that but the fact we don’t attract big investors to take over the club speaks volumes.

We can’t persist with continuous “up and at em’” football for the rest of the Blades’ history, surely. If the change around takes 5 years then our younger fans will see the benefit in the long run.

UTB !
 
JayGreen17 said:
Go in then, you’ve criticised these - who has a better record that you’d choose - than three promotion winning mongers?
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I have know idea thats up to the owners just saying there are more mangers to choose from than those just three.
Also I know we like Bladey Bladey managers but having a **** managing us is a new one.
 
DW Blade said:
I would be happy with Steven Gerrard. I think he commands the room and players would listen to him. How could you not listen and learn from a player of his ability and his list of honours.
On the flip side do we need an old head such as Dyche to go back to basics, set us up so we don’t look like a piece of Swiss cheese in the centre of midfield and make our wide players track back and build from there. Hope something comes quickly as we don’t want to enter years of mid table obscurity.
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Rather keep selles
 
People thought Wilderball was boring last season and now want dinosaur Dyche WTF? Carrick who failed miserably at Boro? O'Neil who? Got to be the ugly duckling Cooper if you want decent football. Looks like we missed the bus with that Blessin guy tearing it up in Germany, see the Prince did know a little bit about football he was also a fan of Ndaiye when Wilder wouldn't play him. I dread to think who these clueless Yanks will go for next might be a Poker player or summat.
The thing is we can't carry on with Séllés who is like a rabbit in the headlights, I actually feel sorry for the guy much like I did when we had Weir the job is just too big for him at this stage of his career.
 
Brownieblade said:
No he had to go

People need to be honest here, there were about 20-30 games last season that could easily have gone another way

Now I’m not intentionally being unfair on wilder, I’m not saying get rid of him because we didn’t play like Brazil all season

But there was every reason to suspect that this season would have been similar except that more of those 20/30 games would have gone different, those games we won by a single goal but we were clearly the second best team on the day, more of those would have gone a different way

Wilder showed the whole world v Sunderland , we had them down on floor with our foot on them and they were lucky to get in ht 1 down

They changed tactics and then wilder retreated back to what he had done most of the season, he tried to win 1-0 and didn’t react and as soon as they scored one it was done, we all know it

Yes we got 90 points but there was quite a few games to say the least were we played like a lower league team and we won 1-0

Was wilder going to take us down to L1, doubtful, but it was also highly doubtful we were getting away with playing meh for most of season and getting 90 points again

But mainly Wilder had to go because his set up wasn’t keeping us up if we got up

That’s why we have to change, we need to find some way to get up and stay up and he wasn’t the man
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That squad should've been nowhere near automatic promotion. The job Wilder did to keep us in it until the back of January when the reinforcements arrived was nothing less than incredible management. Basic logic suggests that another summer building would've bettered the points total. The mooted free signings of Darling and Dunne buttress my opinion. They show me he had the right ideas on where improvement was needed. No Leeds or Burnley this year either. It's a poor league ripe for the picking.

You claim we had a lot of lucky wins. I totally disagree. We controlled almost every game we won and some we didn't.. There was very few occasions after a win when I left the ground thinking "we didn't deserve that". No more than the losses when I thought "we deserved something today". That's a myth imo... We were masterful at getting the lead and shutting most games down.

We were the best side in the play offs. The better team on the day lost at Wembley. I don't believe that anybody didn't think Brooks should've scored that sitter in the second half. It was the easiest chance in the match. Sky Sports were astonished that we lost so it's not just my opinion. That was our best ever play off performance..by a distance.

Wilder is the only manager without an extraordinaryily large budget to keep a side in the Prem since Dyche/Burnley when football was a very different place. The evidence suggests he's likely the best chance we have unless we can unearth another Wilder, or COH sports have both incredible resources re recruitment ala Brighton/Brentford allied to extremely deep pockets they're willing to empty on United. The more likely scenario is yo yoing until we have a squad to compete. A difficult thing to do as many fans will blame the manager for bringing a knife to a gun fight getting relegated.The only thing more difficult than staying up is doing it the first time you're promoted imo.
 

nopigfansintown said:
That squad should've been nowhere near automatic promotion. The job Wilder did to keep us in it until the back of January when the reinforcements arrived was nothing less than incredible management. Basic logic suggests that another summer building would've bettered the points total. The mooted free signings of Darling and Dunne buttress my opinion. They show me he had the right ideas on where improvement was needed. No Leeds or Burnley this year either. It's a poor league ripe for the picking.

You claim we had a lot of lucky wins. I totally disagree. We controlled almost every game we won and some we didn't.. There was very few occasions after a win when I left the ground thinking "we didn't deserve that". No more than the losses when I thought "we deserved something today". That's a myth imo... We were masterful at getting the lead and shutting most games down.

We were the best side in the play offs. The better team on the day lost at Wembley. I don't believe that anybody didn't think Brooks should've scored that sitter in the second half. It was the easiest chance in the match. Sky Sports were astonished that we lost so it's not just my opinion. That was our best ever play off performance..by a distance.

Wilder is the only manager without an extraordinaryily large budget to keep a side in the Prem since Dyche/Burnley when football was a very different place. The evidence suggests he's likely the best chance we have unless we can unearth another Wilder, or COH sports have both incredible resources re recruitment ala Brighton/Brentford allied to extremely deep pockets they're willing to empty on United. The more likely scenario is yo yoing until we have a squad to compete. A difficult thing to do as many fans will blame the manager for bringing a knife to a gun fight getting relegated.The only thing more difficult than staying up is doing it the first time you're promoted imo.
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I disagree with you mate but i totally see the argument and why you believe that

I think the squad was good enough to challenge and it was better than most other teams, I get that our views based on previous season may have been more pessimistic but I think a lot it teams would have swapped with us

I don’t think I was suggesting lucky but again can see how you interpreted it that way, I think we underperformed a lot and lots of those games could have gone different ways, I don’t think we were masterful at shutting teams out, I just think it was combo of being solid, having a great solid keeper and other teams missing lots of chances

Wilder didn’t brilliantly that first season but once teams worked us out he wasn’t and he again wasn’t when he took over from Hecky and I don’t think there is an argument that that would have changed if we had gone up
 
You know what I'd take sausage Rohl in a heartbeat he did a great job of keeping that shower of shit away from league one, imagine what he could do with a better set of players who weren't wondering if they would be paid at the end of the month.
 
Either - quickly no point giving him more time. He had a preseason and inherited an excellent squad. Yes there were sales but no way should we have lost 5 with this squad.
 
Brownieblade said:
No he had to go

People need to be honest here, there were about 20-30 games last season that could easily have gone another way

Now I’m not intentionally being unfair on wilder, I’m not saying get rid of him because we didn’t play like Brazil all season

But there was every reason to suspect that this season would have been similar except that more of those 20/30 games would have gone different, those games we won by a single goal but we were clearly the second best team on the day, more of those would have gone a different way

Wilder showed the whole world v Sunderland , we had them down on floor with our foot on them and they were lucky to get in ht 1 down

They changed tactics and then wilder retreated back to what he had done most of the season, he tried to win 1-0 and didn’t react and as soon as they scored one it was done, we all know it

Yes we got 90 points but there was quite a few games to say the least were we played like a lower league team and we won 1-0

Was wilder going to take us down to L1, doubtful, but it was also highly doubtful we were getting away with playing meh for most of season and getting 90 points again

But mainly Wilder had to go because his set up wasn’t keeping us up if we got up

That’s why we have to change, we need to find some way to get up and stay up and he wasn’t the man
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We’re in agree to disagree territory, which I’m fine with.

Do you think Leeds and Burnley deserved all of their 100 points or were there games they also got away with? Burnley beat Norwich later in the season; apart from a few stupid errors, Norwich should have won. For 70 minutes Leeds didn’t deserve to beat us. Plenty of opportunities to throw that same comment at those teams too

This notion that you’re going to be the best team for every game in a 46 game season just doesn’t hold water. It’s about marginal gains. It’s about getting on the right side of a result in a tight game, which we did after a summer of huge upheaval.

Many managers are incapable of a successful rebuild of the magnitude Wilder managed. Hecky was alright to add on a manage a good set. I’m not sure he could have started from a blank page for example.

Wilder would have had all summer to make gains on his 90 point team. Darling and Dunne were two signings he had in the pipeline and would have been logical additions.

You can point out certain trends but Wilder would have had all summer to offset those trends.

If you think someone deserved sacking after 92 accrued points, then hold that bar to every incoming manager too.
 
Broomhall Blade said:
Wilder No
Dyche No
Cooper No

Don't get the fascination with Cooper he has one promotion to his name when backed by a rich owner but ultimately failed at Forest, how long did he last at Leicester ? he was even under pressure at Swansea.

Dyche is just Wilder but without the pissed up in the boozer singing about rival managers, boring football.

Wilder boring football, no plan B, negative substitutions, absolutely useless when given any substantial amount of money to spend.

There are other managers out there other than those three, ask yourself this why are they all unemployed.
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Plus, did Cooper actually have a hand in any of those signings at Forest, or was he just given those players by the owners and DoF and told to make it work.

If that was the case, we haven't got a DoF so it wouldn't work in the long term, even if it might work in the short term.

I know someone mentioned on another thread that he works with a DoF at Portsmouth, but I wouldn't mind Mousinho as a manager if Selles went.

Maybe O'Neil, I know he's not everyones cup of tea but he did keep Bournemouth in the PL in what was a scrappy relegation battle towards the end, which I think gets forgotten because of how good Iraola has been since he took over.
 
Champagneblade said:
We’re in agree to disagree territory, which I’m fine with.

Do you think Leeds and Burnley deserved all of their 100 points or were there games they also got away with? Burnley beat Norwich later in the season; apart from a few stupid errors, Norwich should have won. For 70 minutes Leeds didn’t deserve to beat us. Plenty of opportunities to throw that same comment at those teams too

This notion that you’re going to be the best team for every game in a 46 game season just doesn’t hold water. It’s about marginal gains. It’s about getting on the right side of a result in a tight game, which we did after a summer of huge upheaval.

Many managers are incapable of a successful rebuild of the magnitude Wilder managed. Hecky was alright to add on a manage a good set. I’m not sure he could have started from a blank page for example.

Wilder would have had all summer to make gains on his 90 point team. Darling and Dunne were two signings he had in the pipeline and would have been logical additions.

You can point out certain trends but Wilder would have had all summer to offset those trends.

If you think someone deserved sacking after 92 accrued points, then hold that bar to every incoming manager too.
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That’s fine mate

Just to clarify I’m not sacking due to 92, I’m letting go because he was going to find it extremely hard getting away with it again

I want to see us as a per prem team, that’s not going to happen under Chris and the evidence based on his time with other championship teams, because Oxford or Northampton were not getting there , that it wasn’t going to happen
 
Champagneblade said:
We’re in agree to disagree territory, which I’m fine with.

Do you think Leeds and Burnley deserved all of their 100 points or were there games they also got away with? Burnley beat Norwich later in the season; apart from a few stupid errors, Norwich should have won. For 70 minutes Leeds didn’t deserve to beat us. Plenty of opportunities to throw that same comment at those teams too

This notion that you’re going to be the best team for every game in a 46 game season just doesn’t hold water. It’s about marginal gains. It’s about getting on the right side of a result in a tight game, which we did after a summer of huge upheaval.

Many managers are incapable of a successful rebuild of the magnitude Wilder managed. Hecky was alright to add on a manage a good set. I’m not sure he could have started from a blank page for example.

Wilder would have had all summer to make gains on his 90 point team. Darling and Dunne were two signings he had in the pipeline and would have been logical additions.

You can point out certain trends but Wilder would have had all summer to offset those trends.

If you think someone deserved sacking after 92 accrued points, then hold that bar to every incoming manager too.
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He's gone
 
Blade56 said:
The ‘should be credible’ ITKer I mentioned earlier recons Sellés get 1 more game then it’s O’Neil or Rohl. If true it’s going to be a painful 2 weeks then a painful 2 seasons. Why can’t yanks see if he looks like a duck, quacks like a duck he’s a feckin duck. How to destroy 127 years of history in less than a year 🇺🇸
I’ve got my rock stash ready and I know
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Brian Deane said:
Is Robins available 👀
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Wilder is gone and it is time for Selles to follow him.Bottom of the league from a team that finished 3rd is a laughing stock
 

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