Selles replacement

[Lord Eddard Muir]

Weerz 'none of the above' option? Of the choices, I guess Cooper. But don't really want any of them.

 

[I should coco]

Thomas Frank had an unsuccessful 2.5 year stint at Brondby as his only club management experience when Brentford appointed him.

An intersting definition of 'unsuccesful'.

They had missed Europe for 4 years and narrowly avoided relegation, the season before he was appointed. Under Frank they qualified for Europe twice, but a change in the board room, where they went from a youth based system, to spunking cash, upset the apple cart.

The new chairman then critiscised Frank online, using a pseudonym, so Frank walked when this came out. He was very much in demand in Denmark at that point, hence Matthew Benham picking up on him.

Are you somehow trying to put our incumbent on a par with Frank?

 

[mattbianco1]

I voted the bottom one because I thought it said José Mourinho.

 

[Upton_Blade]

I personally believe that is because we have a CEO who hasn't got a clue how a modern, forward thinking club should be run. Bettis is the number one constant under 2 owners (not including McCabe) who I believe is holding the club back. He constantly maintains "radio silence" treating supporters, who are the heart beat of the club like mushrooms - "keep them in the dark and feed them shite", only problem is we don't even get fed shite!!! Of course he has even more power now having been elevated to the board. Doesn't matter which manager/coach we may see replace Selles there is still no "modern" club structure in place.

Your obsession with Bettis really is getting quite tiresome.

A lot of people with a huge amount more inside knowledge than the majority of fans about that side of football have the highest respect for him and pretty much all say how highly competent he is in his role. A role he has now held under not 1 but 3 different owners/ownership groups.

But hey he was shown smiling a few days after out best manager of the last 20 years walked out so he must be a snek and useless at his job.

Pathetic.

 

[Upton_Blade]

Let's be honest. If we want a proven manager with success of the exact situation we find ourselves in then there's only really 1 name on the list and that's Cooper.

I just don't think we'd be able to get him although I'm sure a big enough salary and bonus for getting us up would surely tempt him.

Outside of him then you're basically looking at taking a gamble whichever way you go.

 

[Champagneblade]

Let's be honest. If we want a proven manager with success of the exact situation we find ourselves in then there's only really 1 name on the list and that's Cooper.

I just don't think we'd be able to get him although I'm sure a big enough salary and bonus for getting us up would surely tempt him.

Outside of him then you're basically looking at taking a gamble whichever way you go.

To my above point, why does Hecky also not make the list?

Bring back the Heck!

 

[Upton_Blade]

To my above point, why does Hecky also not make the list?

Bring back the Heck!

It's a fair shout tbh.

Arguably as much reasoning, if not more, to having Wilder back.

I actually think he'd do pretty well with the squad we've got now but in all honestly if we're going to go down the route of paying compo to someone I'd prefer us to go for someone like Mousinho.

To add to point again though. If we're going to go down the route of compo surely we just chuck that extra at Cooper?

 

[Bell4]

Me too

I’d also take Hannah Waddingham coming up to mine tonight and sitting on my face.

Just as likely

I’m free - just saying

 

[Youngand70]

Your obsession with Bettis really is getting quite tiresome.

A lot of people with a huge amount more inside knowledge than the majority of fans about that side of football have the highest respect for him and pretty much all say how highly competent he is in his role. A role he has now held under not 1 but 3 different owners/ownership groups.

But hey he was shown smiling a few days after out best manager of the last 20 years walked out so he must be a snek and useless at his job.

Pathetic.

For your your esteemed information I am not obsessed with Mr Bettis. Having followed us for 63 years I have seen all the ups and downs throughout that time.

I, like many others Blades, want the best for the club and hoped that this change of ownership would start to move the club into a new "modern era" not continue to take one step forward and then two steps back.

For your information I've worked in higher management and owned my own company so have dealings with many CEOs, globally not just in the UK.

This change of ownership in my opinion, (I take it that I am allowed to have an opinion Mr Starmer), is an opportunity for serious change throughout the overall management of the club to take it forward instead of just stuttering along as before. COH have said that Ruben Selles is a "culture changer" well I'm afraid the "culture" will not change by just changing the team manager/coach.

The negatives are there to be seen with Mr Bettis and his anti Director of Football statement to the Star in March 2024 being an example.

Like it or like it not the "modern culture" of football includes Directors of Football/Sporting Directors/Technical Directors, we still haven't moved in that direction. This would have been an ideal time for Ruben Selles and a DoF/SpDir to integrate and strengthen the football management part of the club.

From my business experience very often some people in management are very "precious" with their empire and don't like to relinquish parts of it to other people just as, or more capable than themselves.

Last season 19 of 20 clubs in the Premier League had DoF/SpDirs and at this time 20 of 24 of Championship clubs have DoFs/SpDirs or a position very similar. Of the 4 clubs without, well it's the good old "Sheffield Way" of doing things, 2 of the 4 are Sheffield United and Sheffield Wednesday.

There are many examples of clubs outside the "Sheffield city boundary" who are either already doing the "modern way" or who are working towards it. The wheel doesn't require reinventing. Let's face it over the years, sadly to say, Yorkshire's track record in top flight "modern" football is nothing to write home about.

SUFC needs improved "leadership" this side of the pond to embrace the way forward by thinking outside the box, being dynamic with global football knowledge/experience, being able to formulate/implement strategies and communicate those strategies.

So if anyone's "pathetic" it's you and your neanderthal ways sleep walking through mediocrity.

 

[Silky Sabella]

Disagree.

We probably lose away at Ipswich.
If we then don't beat Charlton at home it's curtains.

I fully agree Charlton at home is decisive.

 

[Davalon]

For your your esteemed information I am not obsessed with Mr Bettis. Having followed us for 63 years I have seen all the ups and downs throughout that time.

I, like many others Blades, want the best for the club and hoped that this change of ownership would start to move the club into a new "modern era" not continue to take one step forward and then two steps back.

For your information I've worked in higher management and owned my own company so have dealings with many CEOs, globally not just in the UK.

This change of ownership in my opinion, (I take it that I am allowed to have an opinion Mr Starmer), is an opportunity for serious change throughout the overall management of the club to take it forward instead of just stuttering along as before. COH have said that Ruben Selles is a "culture changer" well I'm afraid the "culture" will not change by just changing the team manager/coach.

The negatives are there to be seen with Mr Bettis and his anti Director of Football statement to the Star in March 2024 being an example.

Like it or like it not the "modern culture" of football includes Directors of Football/Sporting Directors/Technical Directors, we still haven't moved in that direction. This would have been an ideal time for Ruben Selles and a DoF/SpDir to integrate and strengthen the football management part of the club.

From my business experience very often some people in management are very "precious" with their empire and don't like to relinquish parts of it to other people just as, or more capable than themselves.

Last season 19 of 20 clubs in the Premier League had DoF/SpDirs and at this time 20 of 24 of Championship clubs have DoFs/SpDirs or a position very similar. Of the 4 clubs without, well it's the good old "Sheffield Way" of doing things, 2 of the 4 are Sheffield United and Sheffield Wednesday.

There are many examples of clubs outside the "Sheffield city boundary" who are either already doing the "modern way" or who are working towards it. The wheel doesn't require reinventing. Let's face it over the years, sadly to say, Yorkshire's track record in top flight "modern" football is nothing to write home about.

SUFC needs improved "leadership" this side of the pond to embrace the way forward by thinking outside the box, being dynamic with global football knowledge/experience, being able to formulate/implement strategies and communicate those strategies.

So if anyone's "pathetic" it's you and your neanderthal ways sleep walking through mediocrity.

Maybe stop calling him by a childish nickname insinuating he's a yes man and articulate your thoughts like above, and you won't get called pathetic.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Maybe stop calling him by a childish nickname insinuating he's a yes man and articulate your thoughts like above, and you won't get called pathetic.

“Anti director of football”

Bettis answers United Director of Football question amid changes in recruitment

Sheffield United CEO Stepen Bettis spoke to The Star about the club's plans for the future, including recruitment and the possibility of a Director of Football coming on board

www.thestar.co.uk

 

[Boxer Blade]

For your your esteemed information I am not obsessed with Mr Bettis. Having followed us for 63 years I have seen all the ups and downs throughout that time.

I, like many others Blades, want the best for the club and hoped that this change of ownership would start to move the club into a new "modern era" not continue to take one step forward and then two steps back.

For your information I've worked in higher management and owned my own company so have dealings with many CEOs, globally not just in the UK.

This change of ownership in my opinion, (I take it that I am allowed to have an opinion Mr Starmer), is an opportunity for serious change throughout the overall management of the club to take it forward instead of just stuttering along as before. COH have said that Ruben Selles is a "culture changer" well I'm afraid the "culture" will not change by just changing the team manager/coach.

The negatives are there to be seen with Mr Bettis and his anti Director of Football statement to the Star in March 2024 being an example.

Like it or like it not the "modern culture" of football includes Directors of Football/Sporting Directors/Technical Directors, we still haven't moved in that direction. This would have been an ideal time for Ruben Selles and a DoF/SpDir to integrate and strengthen the football management part of the club.

From my business experience very often some people in management are very "precious" with their empire and don't like to relinquish parts of it to other people just as, or more capable than themselves.

Last season 19 of 20 clubs in the Premier League had DoF/SpDirs and at this time 20 of 24 of Championship clubs have DoFs/SpDirs or a position very similar. Of the 4 clubs without, well it's the good old "Sheffield Way" of doing things, 2 of the 4 are Sheffield United and Sheffield Wednesday.

There are many examples of clubs outside the "Sheffield city boundary" who are either already doing the "modern way" or who are working towards it. The wheel doesn't require reinventing. Let's face it over the years, sadly to say, Yorkshire's track record in top flight "modern" football is nothing to write home about.

SUFC needs improved "leadership" this side of the pond to embrace the way forward by thinking outside the box, being dynamic with global football knowledge/experience, being able to formulate/implement strategies and communicate those strategies.

So if anyone's "pathetic" it's you and your neanderthal ways sleep walking through mediocrity.

Do you feel better after that

 

[KMC-1889]

“Anti director of football”

Bettis answers United Director of Football question amid changes in recruitment

Sheffield United CEO Stepen Bettis spoke to The Star about the club's plans for the future, including recruitment and the possibility of a Director of Football coming on board

www.thestar.co.uk

This article gets referenced a lot but I can’t see where he says he’s against a DoF, only that they aren’t planning to appoint one (as of March 2024) because they knew Wilder wouldn’t work with one.

It’s almost certainly one of the contributory factors for a change this summer. 19/20 premier league clubs have a technical board and all of the big European clubs do. If you want sustained success it’s the model you have to adopt.

 

[Sean Thornton]

This article gets referenced a lot but I can’t see where he says he’s against a DoF, only that they aren’t planning to appoint one (as of March 2024) because they knew Wilder wouldn’t work with one.

It’s almost certainly one of the contributory factors for a change this summer. 19/20 premier league clubs have a technical board and all of the big European clubs do. If you want sustained success it’s the model you have to adopt.

Exactly. Thats been pointed out to our latest captain of industry. I probably should have put it in quotation marks.

 

[Tongeincheek]

To those saying that Cooper wouldn't take a Championship job:
Which prem teams are going to go for him?

I rate him but in plastic premier league fans eyes he's been massively shown up by Nuno at Forest, and then shit the bed at Leicester - I don't think any of the bottom feeders will be targeting him. So unless he pulls a Dean Smith and gets a cushy offer from the states or Dubai out of nowhere, then we are about the level he'd need to look at now.

People saying the same about Dyche... and thats fair enough, I can actually see a struggling prem side crying out for his gruff charms if the shit hits the fan.

 

[Aston max]

We have some very good players any manager worth his salt should be able to get them playing, We don't need a top name Mark Robins for me would do a great job but doubt he would leave Stoke.

I actually felt sorry for robins , he had a club that would regularly sell his best players from under him , then when fat frank came in they've now only sold high value but given him the money for new players.

 

[LBA_Blade]

Depending on how Selles gets on over the next few games will ultimately dictate how things go. We have options mentioned above, with our limited spend in terms of budget and I am going to through some names out there that haven't been mentioned (at least not too much)

1) Sir Gareth Southgate Pluses bringing in a name that has worked with England U21s and 1st teamers, could easily work with the an English team, would also bring some profile to the club and knows how to work under pressure in arguably the most pressurised job in the game. Downsides doesn't throw instant wow factor also has not had a lot of league opportunities.

2) Chris Hughton - Pluses has a promotion from the Championship on his CV with Brighton as well as keeping them up, has also overseen several other large clubs such as Newcastle, Forest, Birmingham and Norwich. Downside career has taken a different guise taking over as technical manager/manager of Ghana

3) Ralph Hasenhüttl - Pluses has experience of the English game with Southampton and the Premier League, he has also managed to keep sides out of relegation scraps in both England and Germany. Also isn't afraid of tinkering different formations and does like high pressing. Downsides has had some battering's as a coach (Southampton vs Leicester) and no experience in the Championship

2 massive wildcards

1) Jürgen Klinsmann - Could be a shout for a DoF as has done that before, would bring huge profile to the club. salary to get him to Toronto was £1million a year so not as bad as some might think. Downside not sure what he could do managerial wise

2) Rui Jorge - Former Portugal U21/ U23 coach- Pluses, brings profile being a recent Portugal international and high profile player, Portugal U21 coach he had a points per game ratio of 2.27 out of 127 matches. Downsides Not done a right lot yet and is fairly fresh we could end up with Selles Mk2

 

[DifferentClass]

I voted the bottom one because I thought it said José Mourinho.

That's how he gets jobs

 

[Sheffsteel]

They won't sack him. They will not want to be proved wrong and will stick with him until it's too late. They know nothing about football.

Don’t think any owners know much about football. They all tend to have successful business backgrounds with little experience regards playing or working in football.

What they tend to do is have advisors and/or directors of football with proven track records.

The owners have invested millions so money/profit comes before pride, pretty sure they’ll not hesitate to sack any manager who is under performing.

My concern is that our owners are a consortium not an individual. Having multiple owners offers advantages but one of the down sides is decisions tend to made more slowly, also different members could made very different opinions regards the future of the club so there’s more chance to be disharmony amongst our owners.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Depending on how Selles gets on over the next few games will ultimately dictate how things go. We have options mentioned above, with our limited spend in terms of budget and I am going to through some names out there that haven't been mentioned (at least not too much)

1) Sir Gareth Southgate Pluses bringing in a name that has worked with England U21s and 1st teamers, could easily work with the an English team, would also bring some profile to the club and knows how to work under pressure in arguably the most pressurised job in the game. Downsides doesn't throw instant wow factor also has not had a lot of league opportunities.

2) Chris Hughton - Pluses has a promotion from the Championship on his CV with Brighton as well as keeping them up, has also overseen several other large clubs such as Newcastle, Forest, Birmingham and Norwich. Downside career has taken a different guise taking over as technical manager/manager of Ghana

3) Ralph Hasenhüttl - Pluses has experience of the English game with Southampton and the Premier League, he has also managed to keep sides out of relegation scraps in both England and Germany. Also isn't afraid of tinkering different formations and does like high pressing. Downsides has had some battering's as a coach (Southampton vs Leicester) and no experience in the Championship

2 massive wildcards

1) Jürgen Klinsmann - Could be a shout for a DoF as has done that before, would bring huge profile to the club. salary to get him to Toronto was £1million a year so not as bad as some might think. Downside not sure what he could do managerial wise

2) Rui Jorge - Former Portugal U21/ U23 coach- Pluses, brings profile being a recent Portugal international and high profile player, Portugal U21 coach he had a points per game ratio of 2.27 out of 127 matches. Downsides Not done a right lot yet and is fairly fresh we could end up with Selles Mk2

Nice set of unusual names but think there would be a revolt if any of those were appointed. Hasenhutl is the only one who might be given a chance.

Think the best option would be Dyche or Cooper but pretty sure (rightly or wrongly) both fancy their chances at getting back into the Premier league. Give it another 12 months of both being unemployed and the penny might drop that they must lower their sights to the Championship.

Think our choices of out of work managers are probably Gary O’Neil or Sausage Rohl, then there’s always the option of trying to tempt Wilder back but that would be a bit like getting back with the ex wife after a divorce. They say it’s never a good idea to go back.

Regards new names wouldn’t surprise me if we go for an unknown foreign manager with zero experience of the Championship.

I’d probably try to tempt Wilder back. If he’s too expensive then I’d probably try Rohl but I’m not exactly enthused.

Might be better to wait to see who gets sacked at other clubs. Glad I’m not making the decision.

 

[Booker4]

Depending on how Selles gets on over the next few games will ultimately dictate how things go. We have options mentioned above, with our limited spend in terms of budget and I am going to through some names out there that haven't been mentioned (at least not too much)

1) Sir Gareth Southgate Pluses bringing in a name that has worked with England U21s and 1st teamers, could easily work with the an English team, would also bring some profile to the club and knows how to work under pressure in arguably the most pressurised job in the game. Downsides doesn't throw instant wow factor also has not had a lot of league opportunities.

2) Chris Hughton - Pluses has a promotion from the Championship on his CV with Brighton as well as keeping them up, has also overseen several other large clubs such as Newcastle, Forest, Birmingham and Norwich. Downside career has taken a different guise taking over as technical manager/manager of Ghana

3) Ralph Hasenhüttl - Pluses has experience of the English game with Southampton and the Premier League, he has also managed to keep sides out of relegation scraps in both England and Germany. Also isn't afraid of tinkering different formations and does like high pressing. Downsides has had some battering's as a coach (Southampton vs Leicester) and no experience in the Championship

2 massive wildcards

1) Jürgen Klinsmann - Could be a shout for a DoF as has done that before, would bring huge profile to the club. salary to get him to Toronto was £1million a year so not as bad as some might think. Downside not sure what he could do managerial wise

2) Rui Jorge - Former Portugal U21/ U23 coach- Pluses, brings profile being a recent Portugal international and high profile player, Portugal U21 coach he had a points per game ratio of 2.27 out of 127 matches. Downsides Not done a right lot yet and is fairly fresh we could end up with Selles Mk2

Chris Brighton and Gareth Southgate! Hughtons not worked in a while and Southgate was decent when he had England's best players at his disposal but still failed.

I'd be amazed if either of those were mentioned for the job in my view.

Michael Carrick much more likely but I'd prefer to give Selles more time than Carrick.

 

[Harry's Game]

Disagree.

We probably lose away at Ipswich.
If we then don't beat Charlton at home it's curtains.

We can write Ipswich off.. if they are judging him on that game they as may as well sack him now.

I think he has to beat both Charlton and Oxford .. anything less than 6 points from both those 2 games he is surely finished

 

[Addison]

None of the above for me in reality. Voted for Mousinho simply because he's not significantly failed. COH wanted a template of a head Coach rather than a manager with AI driving recruitment, although part of that strategy appears to have been abandoned. That can't be achieved without an overhaul of off field structure, namely a DOF/Sporting Director. Until that happens I just can't see anyone lasting under the present set up. The person that fits the template at the moment imo is Alexander Blessin. Whether the owners have the knowledge or desire to go for an established coach who has managed in the Champions League is a matter of conjecture. It seems there are too many fingers in pies at Board level at the moment. Hardly conducive to bringing a new man into the hot seat

 

[LBA_Blade]

Chris Brighton and Gareth Southgate! Hughtons not worked in a while and Southgate was decent when he had England's best players at his disposal but still failed.

I'd be amazed if either of those were mentioned for the job in my view.

Michael Carrick much more likely but I'd prefer to give Selles more time than Carrick.

When Selles appointment was announced Southgate was in the top 5 and even now Southgate is 12/1 with the bookies as the next manager. The purpose of looking was mainly just to see who else could work. The advantage to Southgate is the development work he has done with young top end players, the downside is the lack of Championship manager experience. You mention the failure, agreed he didn't win anything but also united a nation to a point of belief. He was so close to being the best manager on record for England.

 

[LBA_Blade]

Nice set of unusual names but think there would be a revolt if any of those were appointed. Hasenhutl is the only one who might be given a chance.

Think the best option would be Dyche or Cooper but pretty sure (rightly or wrongly) both fancy their chances at getting back into the Premier league. Give it another 12 months of both being unemployed and the penny might drop that they must lower their sights to the Championship.

Think our choices of out of work managers are probably Gary O’Neil or Sausage Rohl, then there’s always the option of trying to tempt Wilder back but that would be a bit like getting back with the ex wife after a divorce. They say it’s never a good idea to go back.

Regards new names wouldn’t surprise me if we go for an unknown foreign manager with zero experience of the Championship.

I’d probably try to tempt Wilder back. If he’s too expensive then I’d probably try Rohl but I’m not exactly enthused.

Might be better to wait to see who gets sacked at other clubs. Glad I’m not making the decision.

I thought this could be a good option based on the squad we have. He does play a good brand of football and doesn't mind 3 at the back or moving that around to a 4. I also like the energy his sides have although the 9-0 vs Leicester hasn't helped his record.

 

[Kona]

None of the above for me in reality. Voted for Mousinho simply because he's not significantly failed. COH wanted a template of a head Coach rather than a manager with AI driving recruitment, although part of that strategy appears to have been abandoned. That can't be achieved without an overhaul of off field structure, namely a DOF/Sporting Director. Until that happens I just can't see anyone lasting under the present set up. The person that fits the template at the moment imo is Alexander Blessin. Whether the owners have the knowledge or desire to go for an established coach who has managed in the Champions League is a matter of conjecture. It seems there are too many fingers in pies at Board level at the moment. Hardly conducive to bringing a new man into the hot seat

I quite liked the idea of Alexander Blessing when it was first mentioned and I think he would still be a good shout. Whether he would come here or not is another matter

 

[ancientblade]

What a waste of everyone's lives this thread is when the manager is going nowhere!

got news for you if we lose at ipswich hes gone

 

[ChipDayFriday]

We need to steer clear of a Rohl appointment, can you imagine the meltdown if COH had appoint DR instead of RS and the results had gone the same? FFS Blades, do us a favour. Its shame we won't have the balls to go for someone new like a Graham Alexander, we'll probably revert to type and go for Shaun Kevin Paul Dyche Blackwell Heckingbottom.

 

[Silky Sabella]

got news for you if we lose at ipswich hes gone

Do you think the owners have already got somebody lined up ancient?