Selles has been thrown under a bus

[The Fox]

It's a good move by selles to point out what is obvious to anyone . It's a call to action to have a better system but also to act immediately.
I'm not suggesting panic buys but mobilising everything they can over the next couple of weeks

 

[Houston_Blade]

Remember Slav giving a similar interview at a similar time when he was here

 

[Kev Gee]

Remember Slav giving a similar interview at a similar time when he was here

Yeah, as I've mentioned. This has all the hallmarks of Slav MK2.
I'm glad Selles has thrown down the gauntlet to the powers that be.

Absolute amateur stuff from COH.
You want to emulate the Brightons of this world?
Then fucking show it then. Give your man some support. Not just in players but in backroom staff. It's obvious he's more a coach than a fingers in everything CW type.

 

[247Blade]

No, the EFL just signed it off, no questions asked, all done in a couple of weeks

No checks then on club owners?

 

[metalblade]

After following this club over 60 years I have learned to think the worst of the boardroom and owners, do that and you won't be far wrong or too disappointed when your fears prove to be correct.

 

[SufcBilly]

No checks then on club owners?

None just signed the club over

 

[CaptainMorgans]

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I feel for Selles and can see it heading the same way.

 

[PrestwichBlade]

No checks then on club owners?

Nope, just waved it straight on through

 

[b1ade4life]

I think

I have been a Blades supporter for 60 odd years and known some really deressing times as a United supporter. Those of us who have seen it all before will be recognising the red flags. I am worried by how quickly things have deteriorated in the close season and can see us entering a prolonged period of stagnation at best or aqperiod of decline. There is a lot to be very worried about right now:

1. Most alarming is the lack of urgency and action from the club to strengthen a squad badly weakened since the play off final.
2. The complete shambles of a recruitment policy and process
3. Something is not right among the players. There does not seem to be an understanding of what we are trying to do. Players don't seem to be at it or together
4. Clubs like Hull, (who are under an embargo for Christ's sake) have been to recruit far better than we have
5. Lack of communication and clarity from the owners
6. Allowing key players to leave before replacements have been brought in or even lined up
7. Lack of progress or information about what is happening with the new training ground
8. Are we beginning to see the real reasons why Wilder was sacked? I thhink he would have had plenty to say if he had been left in the situation that Selles is in. By the way, I undestand the criticisms of Wilder but at the moment I would take a couple of boring 1 -0 Wilder wins.
9. I know we played some good stuff against Bristol City but the manner of the defeat and the capitulation at the beginning of the secpnd half was truly awful
10. Last night's performance was staggeringly bad. I know it's only the Tin Pot cup but after Saturday we needed to see that some lessons had been learned and a better reaction
11. What happens if someone comes in for Hamer? I think we all know. Why would someone like Hamer, Cooper or Campbell want to stay?
12. People are saying we will end up in mid table. I think that unless things happen quickly it could be much worse.
13. Selles sounds frustrated and pissed off already doesn't he?

I could go on. COH have shown thenselves to be very poor owners so far anf they need to step up. I really hope that in a couple of weeks we will have seen better performances, a couple of results and at least 4 decent signings to fill the obvious gaps. If not we are in deep, deep shit. Not as much shit as Wednesday perhaps but I don't find any satisfaction in that. And, by the way, their threadbare squad have put in a couple of performances and shown some fight and unity in adversity.

I will probably be slated by some on here for being a doom monger, bedwetter and being overly negative and that we need to be be patient and wait. Wait for what? Relegation back to League One? I really hope I am being overly pessimistic but I have seen much of this shit before from SUFC boards and owners and I do not like the signs one little bit.

Just one more little observation and side note? What about the treatment of Caceres? So we bring a young kid over from Peru. He makes a commitment to a massive move and upheaval for him. Next news we are talking about shipping the lad off to Dunfermine. I know he is well payed and priviliged to be able to play football for a living but he is also human. I am not comfortable with the ethics of this at all never mind what it tells us about how shambolic the recuitment policy has been.

Anway on to Saturday and Swansea. I am desperately hoping for a decent performance and results followed by some movement into the club to make me feel better. UTB

Point 3 is down to Wilder getting the boot, I'm pretty sure , as players they thought 92 points was a great effort, only to lose on the toss of a coin in the play offs, I'm sure some of them were very much pro Wilder and are disillusioned at the shit show at the top

 

[Bradfordblade]

Agreed.

 

[VictoryBlade]

Who/what even is our recruitment process?

As far as I can tell, it's Stephen Bettis trying to do everything.

No wonder it's wank.

And that's no slight on Bettis per se. He is one man trying to manage complex multi million pound international deals involving 3 parties, on his own, with money that isn't his and with parameters he has little control over.

How does that compare with any of our peers? Let alone clubs we're trying to emulate?

And Bettis seems to be a used car salesman at best! lol

 

[3Cheers4Ramirez]

2 games in and the manager is having to make excuses for silent owners that seem oblivious to the need for 5 experienced championship standard players to come in urgently - managers words not mine.

I was on board with the concept of change perpetuated by the new incumbents. Apart from the No 1 position of Manager there is little evidence that change has happened or is even being considered. The cumbersome off field structure responsible for years of dawdling when it comes to the transfer window hasnt been touched in the slightest. Plate spinner Bettis remains as a one man band with his side kick Schieber he of the failed fax machine saga.

Rumours of owners disagreeing over whether to bring in young talent or experienced pros abounds. Additionally there are suggestions there was a split over whether to dispense with CW's services. There is no visible urgency to address the problems staring them in the face not least the manager they brought in is not being supported and is already making noises about a lack of support.

The gang of 7 supposedly running the club, Bettis apart, are a complete mystery to the supporters and the wider football world. Little in the way of planning and direction has surfaced. Unfortunately consortiums are notorious for delay as the bog standard text book illustrates;

Consortiums, while offering benefits like shared resources and risk mitigation, can face challenges in areas like co-ordination decision making resource allocation and alignment of interests. These issues can lead to delays, conflicts, and even project failure if not addressed proactively

From the outside looking in COH appear to have achieved all of these draw backs in record time.

When your manager is calling you out in public you have to be seen to be taking action. There is a duty on Eltouky and Rosen as co chairman to respond. Unfortunately it seems they are lost in a mire of indecision leading to the conclusion that is rapidly gaining traction that they do not possess the skills or team to successfully run an EPL club.

The need for experienced, proven Championship players is clear. That will hopefully be dawning on them now

This is all I said we had to do at the start of this window - what was obvious. Sign the obvious targets. High performing attainable (often free) top end championship players who we were primed to attract. That applied no matter who the manager was as well

If we had done that, our start to the season would have been very different and we would have had a suitable, higher and more stable foundation from which to try whatever experiments these owners have in mind

 

[Champagneblade]

Perhaps all that has happened lends credibility to the thought that not going up to EPL was a good thing... we would never have been ready,,,,,,,

A club of our standing and usually limited backing I’d probably disagree but only in the sense that with the gap between have and have nots, the best we probably hope for is to be a Prem/Champ yo-yo team.

 

[VictoryBlade]

I really don't think they appear to have the best interests of the club at heart, consortiums as someone else has said is about profitability! So we have a purchase price of 100m, within 8 or so months got approx 22m back and with Hamer going for maybe 10m, Peck 5m, JLT 500k, Campbell maybe 5m, Burrows 5m and Cooper 10m (total of 57.5m earth pounds) the whole purchase looks a whole (lotta) Rosier to them. Sell the club for 80m and voila keep the consortium happy! To the detriment of Us Blades! That could be nearly 40m profit in a few months, simplistic view but it could happen? Just my shitting of my pants scenario (fed up with bed wetting).

 

[Shawy24]

Well, thats quite a turn around for, lets say, the only spokesperson from the club fronting up to media to turn around at this stage in the transfer window and say that we've not been good enough in the recruitment this summer and effectively answer the question on whether the players he has are good enough to play the way he wants by saying he'll have to adapt is a huge statement 2 months into his tenure and less than a week into the season.

Lets remind ourselves what the owners said back on 18th June in their official statement:

Message from the Board

Today is the start of a new chapter for Sheffield United.

www.sufc.co.uk

Once again the final point highlighted regarding patience should be kept at the front of our minds, as you've also posted about recrently robbiez666 but there is a contradiction in what we're seeing in terms of action and what they said about the goal.

So far and as it appears, for the second league game we will not have the new faces we desperately need for saturday, the owners don't look to be committed to Selles to help him meet their goals.

So many “buzz words”. Far too much flannel and bollocks.

 

[3Cheers4Ramirez]

I thought the press conference today was really interesting and a potentially fascinating couple of weeks is about to unfold. I do not think that the club will sack Selles, but I do think Selles has the potential to walk, and a lot sooner than people think. I have been shot down a couple of times for saying this, but the small signs are there for me at the moment, although small signs they may be.

I thought the press conference today was really good, it showed Selles at his most raw, he seemed genuinely annoyed at the situation, talked more openly and sharply about the situation and let on more than usual:

• Younger players do not have any experience around them to help them grow.
• They knew they needed players before Vin and Moore left, that made it worse.
• He seemed angry that no players will be coming in now before the weekend.
• He gave hints at frustration with players attitudes.

For me, he let on more than ever that he has a job to do and, currently is unable to do it. I really hope this gives him a bit more aggression to make some demands of the board, who I genuinely believe would prefer to dilly and dally. If Selles is letting his frustration show now, it will only get stronger the more time passes and stuff does not get sorted.

I saw a different side to him today, this is a crucial time of growth for him. I personally do not see him as a Manager, I think he is a coach, probably a very good one, but I do not see him as a Manager. His previous interviews sound like he is giving a lecture to a bunch of UEFA B candidates, he talks in coaches language about transitions and passages of play and understanding roles, but he does not strike me as a manager of players. Coaches live in an ideal world and try to work towards getting to that ideal into a team as a much as possible, Managers live in the real world and have to drag idealism into reality, two very different angles.

But right now, the club are making him look like a ‘bit of a twat’. Previously he managed at clubs that would have been grateful for the effort, clubs in trouble and in crisis, no money, embargos etc etc etc. But this is his big break, a chance to become a proper manager and the club are killing him. We have quickly gone from ‘embracing technology’ and ‘being great at integrating young players’ on his recruitment announcement, to ‘young players won’t develop without experience around them’, ‘Championship football is in the top 10 leagues in the world’ and ‘We actually need Championship quality players to come in and we are too slow to get them’ and this marks the shift I have seen.

Selles has come into a club that didn’t really need him, at least half the fans didn’t really see why he was needed (even if they thought a change was needed), that was doing pretty well without him and he was only going to get grief in every moment it looked like we would not be getting 92 points or more this season. But, if anything can be said about him, he isn’t stupid and he would have known this when accepting the job, it would be ludicrous if he thought any different.

I would love to see him change now and now is the perfect moment. If he can turn that frustration into demand and that demand into action, then he can grow, the club can grow and we can get back on track. He has a make or break opportunity to become a ‘proper manager’. If he makes it clear that the current status is unacceptable, that he cannot do a job with what he has been given and if it carries on there is every chance he would move on, then what choice do the club have? In response to the initial thread title, who in their right mind would come to manage a club that spouted AI as being an exciting key to lots of things, that is behind the curve on other clubs in recruitment right now and that would seemingly put profit before the club (my personal opinion on what is happening here, rightly or wrongly).

I seriously hope that we have started to see a new side to Selles, we need that right now !!

Excellent post. I see exactly the same thing when it comes to Sellés - it is a great opportunity for him to grow, as a man and as a manager. It's an opportunity to make himself very popular. He's facing difficulties, clearly, but if he can speak up and challenge the owners, that will go a long way towards getting the fans on board and from that could result a siege mentality. He has the perfect set of circumstances in which to become a leader. It's not like he doesn't have the players to produce something decent. If this all happened the owners would have to be very brave to sack him because they'd make themselves even more unpopular. I'd love him to put them in that position. But it's going to take balls on his part. Hopefully he can rise to this challenge

 

[RAP51]

Excellent post. I see exactly the same thing when it comes to Sellés - it is a great opportunity for him to grow, as a man and as a manager. It's an opportunity to make himself very popular. He's facing difficulties, clearly, but if he can speak up and challenge the owners, that will go a long way towards getting the fans on board and from that could result a siege mentality. He has the perfect set of circumstances in which to become a leader. It's not like he doesn't have the players to produce something decent. If this all happened the owners would have to be very brave to sack him because they'd make themselves even more unpopular. I'd love him to put them in that position. But it's going to take balls on his part. Hopefully he can rise to this

Excellent post. I see exactly the same thing when it comes to Sellés - it is a great opportunity for him to grow, as a man and as a manager. It's an opportunity to make himself very popular. He's facing difficulties, clearly, but if he can speak up and challenge the owners, that will go a long way towards getting the fans on board and from that could result a siege mentality. He has the perfect set of circumstances in which to become a leader. It's not like he doesn't have the players to produce something decent. If this all happened the owners would have to be very brave to sack him because they'd make themselves even more unpopular. I'd love him to put them in that position. But it's going to take balls on his part. Hopefully he can rise to this challenge

If we lose at Swansea, Selles needs to stop the coach on the way home send a couple of the lads into a nearby Tesco for a few crates of Estrella and the players can drink them on the way home. That way he will gain the respect of the team and our problems will be over. Who needs Peroni?

 

[MoscowBlade]

Yeah no footballer from South America has ever succeeded in England. None. Part of the reason he’s an absolute fossil in today’s football

Ardiles, Villa, Emilio Martinez and Alex Sabella?

Yeah no footballer from South America has ever succeeded in England. None. Part of the reason he’s an absolute fossil in today’s football

 

[Tezza1889]

Ardiles, Villa, Emilio Martinez and Alex Sabella?

And Maradonna was famously born in Preston

Destined to succeed with that football heritage..

Glad we didn't sign him, wouldn't have cut it in English football

 

[Klaatu Barada Nikto]

Ardiles, Villa, Emilio Martinez and Alex Sabella?

 

[Klaatu Barada Nikto]

Ardiles, Villa, Emilio Martinez and Alex Sabella?

Aguero though. What a fucking failure

 

[The Crab]

You have to feel sorry for the guy. Club is an utter shambles. Even worse than the last owners.

Not Christmas but to a festive tune

It’s beginning to look a lot like fucks sake,
down at Bramall Lane,
We defend like we’ll let in ten,
Robbo’s got booked again,
and RND and his biscuit knees are getting outpaced again,
and the pot less yanks have nowt in the bank we’re off to the pub league again.

 

[KMC-1889]

They wouldn't, he'd just suck the air in between his teeth and repeatedly jut his chin out

“Point of view”

 

[The Crab]

I see him walking before Christmas if this carries on.

Even if he walks he will outpace Robbo…

 

[jt64]

In Sheffield is this really a problem? Bus is probably broken down, held up in traffic or otherwise cancelled

 

[The Crab]

I have been a Blades supporter for 60 odd years and known some really deressing times as a United supporter. Those of us who have seen it all before will be recognising the red flags. I am worried by how quickly things have deteriorated in the close season and can see us entering a prolonged period of stagnation at best or aqperiod of decline. There is a lot to be very worried about right now:

1. Most alarming is the lack of urgency and action from the club to strengthen a squad badly weakened since the play off final.
2. The complete shambles of a recruitment policy and process
3. Something is not right among the players. There does not seem to be an understanding of what we are trying to do. Players don't seem to be at it or together
4. Clubs like Hull, (who are under an embargo for Christ's sake) have been to recruit far better than we have
5. Lack of communication and clarity from the owners
6. Allowing key players to leave before replacements have been brought in or even lined up
7. Lack of progress or information about what is happening with the new training ground
8. Are we beginning to see the real reasons why Wilder was sacked? I thhink he would have had plenty to say if he had been left in the situation that Selles is in. By the way, I undestand the criticisms of Wilder but at the moment I would take a couple of boring 1 -0 Wilder wins.
9. I know we played some good stuff against Bristol City but the manner of the defeat and the capitulation at the beginning of the secpnd half was truly awful
10. Last night's performance was staggeringly bad. I know it's only the Tin Pot cup but after Saturday we needed to see that some lessons had been learned and a better reaction
11. What happens if someone comes in for Hamer? I think we all know. Why would someone like Hamer, Cooper or Campbell want to stay?
12. People are saying we will end up in mid table. I think that unless things happen quickly it could be much worse.
13. Selles sounds frustrated and pissed off already doesn't he?

I could go on. COH have shown thenselves to be very poor owners so far anf they need to step up. I really hope that in a couple of weeks we will have seen better performances, a couple of results and at least 4 decent signings to fill the obvious gaps. If not we are in deep, deep shit. Not as much shit as Wednesday perhaps but I don't find any satisfaction in that. And, by the way, their threadbare squad have put in a couple of performances and shown some fight and unity in adversity.

I will probably be slated by some on here for being a doom monger, bedwetter and being overly negative and that we need to be be patient and wait. Wait for what? Relegation back to League One? I really hope I am being overly pessimistic but I have seen much of this shit before from SUFC boards and owners and I do not like the signs one little bit.

Just one more little observation and side note? What about the treatment of Caceres? So we bring a young kid over from Peru. He makes a commitment to a massive move and upheaval for him. Next news we are talking about shipping the lad off to Dunfermine. I know he is well payed and priviliged to be able to play football for a living but he is also human. I am not comfortable with the ethics of this at all never mind what it tells us about how shambolic the recuitment policy has been.

Anway on to Saturday and Swansea. I am desperately hoping for a decent performance and results followed by some movement into the club to make me feel better. UTB

Well written piece.

I’m not sure we’d lose Campbell. Very good player but your more like to get 90 minutes out of me than him. I’d say that’s why he came here in the first place. The others are highly likely to get offers.

 

[KMC-1889]

I really don't think they appear to have the best interests of the club at heart, consortiums as someone else has said is about profitability! So we have a purchase price of 100m, within 8 or so months got approx 22m back and with Hamer going for maybe 10m, Peck 5m, JLT 500k, Campbell maybe 5m, Burrows 5m and Cooper 10m (total of 57.5m earth pounds) the whole purchase looks a whole (lotta) Rosier to them. Sell the club for 80m and voila keep the consortium happy! To the detriment of Us Blades! That could be nearly 40m profit in a few months, simplistic view but it could happen? Just my shitting of my pants scenario (fed up with bed wetting).

You’ve completely ignored the day to day running costs.

If they were looking to make a quick profit there’s any number of clubs they could have bought for less money that us.

Seems to be coming out today that this Bord guy is the man pulling all the strings and causing unrest. Time for a view from Cordoba & Dunfermline?

 

[John Cutsbushes]

I didn't want Wilder to stay, but his interviews at this point would be glorious.

92 points 46 games
Most in our 2nd tier history
Happy now?
Kept Hecky 2nd season promotion
Leeds keep Farke 2nd season promotion
The owners have put this club in a downward spiral
See when our next Premier promotion push is and that will be how many years they've set us back

 

[ITALIANO BLADE]

You have to feel sorry for the guy. Club is an utter shambles. Even worse than the last owners.

top man speaks up for himself i bet he walks if they dont back him he seems a nice calm bloke i call him the blades special one with tools he can work and play the direct 433 style he will win with tools YES he will win with tools he can only work with the tools he has they dont care about him or they world react dont they want to win there clueless its not ruben selles fault its them at the top they loke selling but dont get no one in of quality how can he win with no good players ffs do summtt to help this man hes a top bloke aarrrrrr rantooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo get a new defence of quality people in hurry up we want to WIN

 

[Gimli]

You’ve completely ignored the day to day running costs.

If they were looking to make a quick profit there’s any number of clubs they could have bought for less money that us.

Seems to be coming out today that this Bord guy is the man pulling all the strings and causing unrest. Time for a view from Cordoba & Dunfermline?

And I don’t think it would be as simple as just finding a buyer who’s going to spend £80m on a football club. Particularly one that had so obviously just had all of its biggest assets sold.