Selles has been thrown under a bus

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Well, thats quite a turn around for, lets say, the only spokesperson from the club fronting up to media to turn around at this stage in the transfer window and say that we've not been good enough in the recruitment this summer and effectively answer the question on whether the players he has are good enough to play the way he wants by saying he'll have to adapt is a huge statement 2 months into his tenure and less than a week into the season.

Lets remind ourselves what the owners said back on 18th June in their official statement:




Once again the final point highlighted regarding patience should be kept at the front of our minds, as you've also posted about recrently robbiez666 but there is a contradiction in what we're seeing in terms of action and what they said about the goal.

So far and as it appears, for the second league game we will not have the new faces we desperately need for saturday, the owners don't look to be committed to Selles to help him meet their goals.
Good post, I think you could actually look at the whole statement and gain a lot of what was sold to everyone at the time and compare to what is happening now. Hindsight is wonderful isn't it.
 

We all laugh at Wednesday but at the moment our squad is nearly as threadbare as theirs. Maybe not quite but given the supposed differences in finances too close for comfort. There’s an urgency now to address the gaps. I always said that the true guide to our owners wouldn’t be if we went up last season but if we didn’t. Well there’s a small window (pun intended) for them to show us one way or another. I’m not one that gets too bothered about hearing from them all the time but there’s a real moment where their actions need to speak for them. What is our ambition this season? We’re about to find out I think
 
Who/what even is our recruitment process?

As far as I can tell, it's Stephen Bettis trying to do everything.

No wonder it's wank.

And that's no slight on Bettis per se. He is one man trying to manage complex multi million pound international deals involving 3 parties, on his own, with money that isn't his and with parameters he has little control over.

How does that compare with any of our peers? Let alone clubs we're trying to emulate?
I thought there was a recruitment and a scouting committee. A few people deciding. Which is likely the problem.
 
Good post, I think you could actually look at the whole statement and gain a lot of what was sold to everyone at the time and compare to what is happening now. Hindsight is wonderful isn't it.
Like many here, I was dubious at the time. COH just love a generic statement without having to front up, leave that to Ruben, he'll be gone by the second International break and they can backtrack on what he said...

No McCabe-esque or Princey soundbites from these lads, just carefully worded generic and meaningless statements to hide behind on social media.

No commiting themselves to anything to be accountable for...

Just a couple of hooks to get the fans biting...
 
My only real question mark about Selles as a manager is that we're hearing rumours of players being unhappy. I worry we have a dressing room used to doing things the Wilder/Hecky way and are reluctant to change. The concern is that although Wilder fell out with players there weren't really that many rumours about it.
 
I said to my brother a few weeks ago that Selles could be the first manager in the Championship to go. I did say I would love to be wrong, but it could go both ways, and still can.

My logic was that he's not, at least so far, had much backing in the transfer market. Many(?) fans didn't want Wilder to go, so for sure those supporters will have less patience than those who wanted a change.

Getting 90+ points is/was always going to be a tall order, so the bar was set very high from the get go.

I personally didn't want Wilder to stay, but I wasn't very excited or optimistic when Selles was appointed either.

If you park all that for a moment, I can't believe people are on his back already after a couple of games.

Time will tell I guess.
 
We all laugh at Wednesday but at the moment our squad is nearly as threadbare as theirs. Maybe not quite but given the supposed differences in finances too close for comfort. There’s an urgency now to address the gaps. I always said that the true guide to our owners wouldn’t be if we went up last season but if we didn’t. Well there’s a small window (pun intended) for them to show us one way or another. I’m not one that gets too bothered about hearing from them all the time but there’s a real moment where their actions need to speak for them. What is our ambition this season? We’re about to find out I think
Its a good point, but what they've done at Wednesday with all the circus there this summer is temper expectation, so anything they do is seen as a miracle of S6. Opening day defeat with their whispy haired legend not finishing the game? Brave. Scraping past Bolton on pens in the cup with the kids? Exciting times.
 
There's definitely summat amiss.
It's reasonable to assume that Selles has said that he needs players for x positions and that they should have x attributes.
It's also reasonable to assume that the board have said (to the recruitment team): here's the budget and (hopefully) here's a contingency plan in case an unforeseen opportunity arises.
So, is the recruitment team not up to the job, or is the budget insufficient?
 
My only real question mark about Selles as a manager is that we're hearing rumours of players being unhappy. I worry we have a dressing room used to doing things the Wilder/Hecky way and are reluctant to change. The concern is that although Wilder fell out with players there weren't really that many rumours about it.
I think you have to look at it as just that, rumours

I don’t believe that a single player will be reluctant to change, they may now feel they no longer need to stay and be loyal to a manager who will be gone within months without big changes, but I don’t see that the professionals we have will be reluctant to change.
 
Think he should adapt and get going on the promotion bus!

 
My only real question mark about Selles as a manager is that we're hearing rumours of players being unhappy. I worry we have a dressing room used to doing things the Wilder/Hecky way and are reluctant to change. The concern is that although Wilder fell out with players there weren't really that many rumours about it.
They like and respect him I heard not sure about some of the new assistants
 
When he came out with the "frees and loans, but there is some money if needed later" it set the alarm bells for me. It's more through experience as a fan of this club.
You hope you're been cynical (bedwetter?) and they're smart not announcing what they have to spend, and they have some quality signings lined up.
The clock is ticking down to 02nd September to be hopefully proved wrong.
When we're so far into the transfer window, there's only so much you can be proved wrong from here. If we sign 5 players late on, it still remains crap pre season preparation, with a new manager and a new system.
 
That's rating a performance. What has it got to do with whether I rate him as a manager or not?
Surely the manager rating after a game is based on how you think he’s performed as in team selection, tactics etc as that’s what you rate a manager on is it not?/

Two consecutive ratings of 0 would indicate you don’t rate him to me?. Yes the performance was very poor last night but I don’t think it’s any different to what anyone expected as soon as we saw the team (which was an understandable selection given our lack of depth) and certainly no worse than cup performances put up under Wilder.
 
I thought the press conference today was really interesting and a potentially fascinating couple of weeks is about to unfold. I do not think that the club will sack Selles, but I do think Selles has the potential to walk, and a lot sooner than people think. I have been shot down a couple of times for saying this, but the small signs are there for me at the moment, although small signs they may be.

I thought the press conference today was really good, it showed Selles at his most raw, he seemed genuinely annoyed at the situation, talked more openly and sharply about the situation and let on more than usual:

  • Younger players do not have any experience around them to help them grow.
  • They knew they needed players before Vin and Moore left, that made it worse.
  • He seemed angry that no players will be coming in now before the weekend.
  • He gave hints at frustration with players attitudes.
For me, he let on more than ever that he has a job to do and, currently is unable to do it. I really hope this gives him a bit more aggression to make some demands of the board, who I genuinely believe would prefer to dilly and dally. If Selles is letting his frustration show now, it will only get stronger the more time passes and stuff does not get sorted.

I saw a different side to him today, this is a crucial time of growth for him. I personally do not see him as a Manager, I think he is a coach, probably a very good one, but I do not see him as a Manager. His previous interviews sound like he is giving a lecture to a bunch of UEFA B candidates, he talks in coaches language about transitions and passages of play and understanding roles, but he does not strike me as a manager of players. Coaches live in an ideal world and try to work towards getting to that ideal into a team as a much as possible, Managers live in the real world and have to drag idealism into reality, two very different angles.

But right now, the club are making him look like a ‘bit of a twat’. Previously he managed at clubs that would have been grateful for the effort, clubs in trouble and in crisis, no money, embargos etc etc etc. But this is his big break, a chance to become a proper manager and the club are killing him. We have quickly gone from ‘embracing technology’ and ‘being great at integrating young players’ on his recruitment announcement, to ‘young players won’t develop without experience around them’, ‘Championship football is in the top 10 leagues in the world’ and ‘We actually need Championship quality players to come in and we are too slow to get them’ and this marks the shift I have seen.

Selles has come into a club that didn’t really need him, at least half the fans didn’t really see why he was needed (even if they thought a change was needed), that was doing pretty well without him and he was only going to get grief in every moment it looked like we would not be getting 92 points or more this season. But, if anything can be said about him, he isn’t stupid and he would have known this when accepting the job, it would be ludicrous if he thought any different.

I would love to see him change now and now is the perfect moment. If he can turn that frustration into demand and that demand into action, then he can grow, the club can grow and we can get back on track. He has a make or break opportunity to become a ‘proper manager’. If he makes it clear that the current status is unacceptable, that he cannot do a job with what he has been given and if it carries on there is every chance he would move on, then what choice do the club have? In response to the initial thread title, who in their right mind would come to manage a club that spouted AI as being an exciting key to lots of things, that is behind the curve on other clubs in recruitment right now and that would seemingly put profit before the club (my personal opinion on what is happening here, rightly or wrongly).

I seriously hope that we have started to see a new side to Selles, we need that right now !!
Great post.

The owners spoke of data and AI but this approach is the cherry on top of the cake. You still need to be able to do the basics of transfers and you still need to have players who are ready made to the rigours of the Championship.

It’s all well and good scouting young players but you can’t have all of ypir recruitment based on that. I know there is the Alan Hanson quote about not winning anything with kids but that was still an exceptions. You need balance. You may need to add older players on higher wages with no resale. I’d be amazed if they understood this fully.

They are naive and if they don’t learn quickly we as fans are all going to pay for it.
 

They wouldn't, he'd just suck the air in between his teeth and repeatedly jut his chin out
For anyone who was listening, Wilder called this out very early on, words to the effect that, "It's all well and good signing players from South America but how are they going to play when they're freezing their tits off," this was during the very cold spell at the start of the year.

He was asked about this in two successive press conferences and gave the same basic answer each time.

He handled it extremely well, made a serious point with humour - depending on your sense of humour.
 
For anyone who was listening, Wilder called this out very early on, words to the effect that, "It's all well and good signing players from South America but how are they going to play when they're freezing their tits off," this was during the very cold spell at the start of the year.

He was asked about this in two successive press conferences and gave the same basic answer each time.

He handled it extremely well, made a serious point with humour - depending on your sense of humour.
Yeah no footballer from South America has ever succeeded in England. None. Part of the reason he’s an absolute fossil in today’s football
 
Surely the manager rating after a game is based on how you think he’s performed as in team selection, tactics etc as that’s what you rate a manager on is it not?/

Two consecutive ratings of 0 would indicate you don’t rate him to me?. Yes the performance was very poor last night but I don’t think it’s any different to what anyone expected as soon as we saw the team (which was an understandable selection given our lack of depth) and certainly no worse than cup performances put up under Wilder.
My rating we based on the fact that we had a system that clearly wasn't working and instead of changing the system he simply changed personnel. We were 4-1 down and looking like crap against Bristol City and yet we kept playing the same way. They luckily stopped countering on us or it could have been worse. And year, it probably was harsh for last night but again we kept playing a way that wasn't working and bar a wonder goal didn't look like getting us a goal. Almost all his picks didn't work. There are obviously mitigating factors.
 
Yeah no footballer from South America has ever succeeded in England. None. Part of the reason he’s an absolute fossil in today’s football
That wasn't the point. And if you'd listened you'd know that.

The point was signing ChatGPT players from South America (for instance) based on stats etc - without doing due diligence.

Get back to me when one of these players is a roaring success, let's say 20 starts at Championship level or above any time in the next three seasons, and I'll apologise profusely.
 
That wasn't the point. And if you'd listened you'd know that.

The point was signing ChatGPT players from South America (for instance) based on stats etc - without doing due diligence.

Get back to me when one of these players is a roaring success, let's say 20 starts at Championship level or above any time in the next three seasons, and I'll apologise profusely.
What due diligence wasn’t done?
 
Due diligence on owners ... was there any if the consortium can be so fluid?
 
For anyone who was listening, Wilder called this out very early on, words to the effect that, "It's all well and good signing players from South America but how are they going to play when they're freezing their tits off," this was during the very cold spell at the start of the year.

He was asked about this in two successive press conferences and gave the same basic answer each time.

He handled it extremely well, made a serious point with humour - depending on your sense of humour.
Yes, what a great comment.
 
What due diligence wasn’t done?
"Due diligence is the process of carefully examining and verifying information before making a decision or moving forward with a particular action or agreement."

Diligently finding out if your ChatGPT players are actually any fucking good.
 

"Due diligence is the process of carefully examining and verifying information before making a decision or moving forward with a particular action or agreement."

Diligently finding out if your ChatGPT players are actually any fucking good.
So we should only ever sign players from other championship clubs because we’ll never know if anyone else will ever work in this league. Got it
 

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