Scared now !

[Cerberus Blade]

2 reasons not to be 'scared':

1. It's against Panama. I mean, what standard even are they in English Football terms? Doesn't means too much.

2. He isn't even an integral part of our team. It's not like if Brooks goes, the whole project will fall apart. There are 6/7 player and who I am more keen to see stay thank brooks if I'm honest. He's the icing on the cake, but he isn't the cake itself!

Now, I feel I need to add this caveat because otherwise I'll get crifucifed. Yes, I think he has great potential, and has shown real progress so far. I love the way he plays and he's incredibly exciting. I also think people are overstating his value to us, I would still snatch anyone's hand off at £10million+ on January (providing it was reinvested!).

With you all the way until you got to the last sentence. I'm assuming you don't trade in stocks and shares mate? Because if you did I don't think you'd be any good at it. You see, the way it works is, you have to try and hazard a guess as to whether your stocks and shares are going to rise, or fall, in value. And the trick is to sell them at a time when they are at their highest, not their lowest. That's how you make money - buy when stock is low and sell when stock is high. Of course, no one can predict when the price will be at its highest, but anyone with any nouse should be able to look at their investment and have a good idea whether it's likely to increase, decrease or stay the same over the short term.

I know exactly what you mean when you say they are other players more integral to the team than him right now - but honestly, we would be stark raving bonkers to let that lad go for £10M in January. It would be something on a greater scale of lunacy than selling TC to Leeds and selling Deane, Fjortoft and Agana in the middle of a promotion run. Why? Not because his sale would weaken and disrupt the team, like these examples I give. But because we'd be throwing money down the drain - absolutely pissing it into the wind.

Brooks will be worth double that within 18 months, maybe even more like £30M or £40M, if we find ourselves in the Prem. That's the reason why you don't even dream of selling the kid now. It's pure financial sense to hold on to him for longer.

 

[Ainsley Harriott]

What are you basing this on, AH?

Obviously I’ve seen Brooks more but the Woodburn lad looks better over the bits I’ve seen. Whether Brooks was overawed or nervous Friday night I don’t know. But Woodburn looked better.

 

[grafikhaus]

He's a sensational talent. Never seen a player go past people like him in the youth teams.I think he'll end up playing more centrally as he develops, but it's good that he is developing his game on both sides. Harry Maguire was immense for England tonight too.England's best player on the ball, and excellent defensively, leaving Coutinho, Neymar and Jesus with just pot shots from long range.

I wouldn't read too much into a couple of friendlies played at walking pace. The Germany and Brazil games were just a last couple of opportunities to fleece those dumb fans in 2017.

You'll see very different teams from Germany, Brazil, France etc. when it's the real thing.

 

[wizadry]

Obviously I’ve seen Brooks more but the Woodburn lad looks better over the bits I’ve seen. Whether Brooks was overawed or nervous Friday night I don’t know. But Woodburn looked better.

The thing is though mate, Brooks looked twice the player of Woodburn last night but that’s one game. The point I’m making is that’s it’s almost impossible at this stage to say for certain who the best out of the two of them is. I’d plump for Brooks personally as he attracts three players to him to try and take the ball of him, which then creates space for others to exploit but as I say, as it stands it’s too hard to say for certain.

 

[TJB.]

I really think David Brooks could be Britain's first £1kajillion player. Mark my words.

 

[nopigfansintown]

With you all the way until you got to the last sentence. I'm assuming you don't trade in stocks and shares mate? Because if you did I don't think you'd be any good at it. You see, the way it works is, you have to try and hazard a guess as to whether your stocks and shares are going to rise, or fall, in value. And the trick is to sell them at a time when they are at their highest, not their lowest. That's how you make money - buy when stock is low and sell when stock is high. Of course, no one can predict when the price will be at its highest, but anyone with any nouse should be able to look at their investment and have a good idea whether it's likely to increase, decrease or stay the same over the short term.

I know exactly what you mean when you say they are other players more integral to the team than him right now - but honestly, we would be stark raving bonkers to let that lad go for £10M in January. It would be something on a greater scale of lunacy than selling TC to Leeds and selling Deane, Fjortoft and Agana in the middle of a promotion run. Why? Not because his sale would weaken and disrupt the team, like these examples I give. But because we'd be throwing money down the drain - absolutely pissing it into the wind.

Brooks will be worth double that within 18 months, maybe even more like £30M or £40M, if we find ourselves in the Prem. That's the reason why you don't even dream of selling the kid now. It's pure financial sense to hold on to him for longer.

Excellent post. When you sell is absolutely vital. I would also add that certain players (assets) would cost more money to replace, and things like transfer value come into it.Duffy's transfer value belies his value to our team, but I'd sell him over Brooks, particularly if the offer was the same and we had to sell one.In no particular order, think Fleck, O'Connell,.Brooks,Stevens,Baldock,Freeman and Coutts are our most valuable assets in the transfer market.Shame Coutts isn't a bit younger...

 

[broomhillblade]

One thing is becoming apparent about Brooks: he's not a 90-minute player. He'll have to build up his stamina and learn to pace himself through games. Tenacity is all very well, but great players don't chase around the field after lost causes.
One hopes the coaches at SUFC will point him in the right direction - without destroying the spark which makes him such a rare talent.

 

[mattbianco1]

1. It's against Panama. I mean, what standard even are they in English Football terms? Doesn't means too much.

Well they have qualified for the world cup above USA.

They are also ranked 49 in the World, above teams like Norway, Russia, Ivory Coast and Ghana.

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

One thing is becoming apparent about Brooks: he's not a 90-minute player. He'll have to build up his stamina and learn to pace himself through games. Tenacity is all very well, but great players don't chase around the field after lost causes.
One hopes the coaches at SUFC will point him in the right direction - without destroying the spark which makes him such a rare talent.

How do you know this? Most of his appearances have been as sub, and last night he will have known that he was going to play for around 65 minutes. He still looked OK in the second half in S6 the other week. Maybe he is already pacing himself according to circumstances.

 

[blade too long]

Put the cork back in B56 quick.....

Corks too old to play now

 

[blade too long]

we a a third of the way through theseason and BROOKS has scored once
which in stat terms matches what Hanson did,

like a lot of other young lads he looks to be able to go places in football , but its still very very early
its very dangerous to over egg the pudding ,we dont know if it will rise ok yet

 

[wizadry]

we a a third of the way through theseason and BROOKS has scored once
which in stat terms matches what Hanson did,

like a lot of other young lads he looks to be able to go places in football , but its still very very early
its very dangerous to over egg the pudding ,we dont know if it will rise ok yet

If the right person is doing the puddings they will rise!

 

[Houston_Blade]

I don’t want any of them to go but more importantly, make sure we keep the manager first and foremost.

Rather than it being about Brooks contribution so far I think it's more about the statement of intent if don't just get shafted by a big club and he leaves in January. I pray for the very slim chance that his agent isn't a bellend as you can guarantee he's received a fair few phone calls already.

It would also show great intent to Wilder from the board that they want to keep him at the club.

 

[Houso]

we a a third of the way through theseason and BROOKS has scored once
which in stat terms matches what Hanson did,

like a lot of other young lads he looks to be able to go places in football , but its still very very early
its very dangerous to over egg the pudding ,we dont know if it will rise ok yet

Look, I agree entirely that we don't want to go over the top on the lad. It's no help to anyone if we do.

But... your comparison is... well... odd.

Brooks is not a striker. He's been involved in other goals other than the one he scored at Leeds and his general play has resulted in the opposition being on the back foot more often than not. Plus, he's in a division above what Hanson was (a player I have absolutely no ax to grind with).

10 million would be pennies in my opinion. Aside from the fact that it would not get reinvested (and where on earth would we reinvest it to make a worthwhile improvement). When you look at the fees paid for players like Lookman (11 million despite never playing above League 1), we need to be asking for 15million+

I thought Brooks was good last night, but some of the hyperbole is a little too excited IMO. He had a solid first half. Lost the ball a few times. Ballooned one over the bar. But that's the type of player he always will be.

 

[blade too long]

If the right person is doing the puddings they will rise!

I have no real doubts if he avoids getting clobbered he will become what we all wish he will , but its puts severe pressure on him to expect it now
We can relax when he gets his first premier league hat trick

 

[blade too long]

Rather than it being about Brooks contribution so far I think it's more about the statement of intent if don't just get shafted by a big club and he leaves in January. I pray for the very slim chance that his agent isn't a bellend as you can guarantee he's received a fair few phone calls already.

It would also show great intent to Wilder from the board that they want to keep him at the club.

dont know what else the club can do to show we intend to keep him
4 year contracts are rare these days

i know for a fact the chances of brooks leaving in January are as likely as Europe giving us money to settle Brexit
Brooks said he wants to play and all those that might be able to afford him wont guarentee him a place

 

[BushBlade]

Look, I agree entirely that we don't want to go over the top on the lad. It's no help to anyone if we do.

But... your comparison is... well... odd.

Brooks is not a striker. He's been involved in other goals other than the one he scored at Leeds and his general play has resulted in the opposition being on the back foot more often than not. Plus, he's in a division above what Hanson was (a player I have absolutely no ax to grind with).

10 million would be pennies in my opinion. Aside from the fact that it would not get reinvested (and where on earth would we reinvest it to make a worthwhile improvement). When you look at the fees paid for players like Lookman (11 million despite never playing above League 1), we need to be asking for 15million+

I thought Brooks was good last night, but some of the hyperbole is a little too excited IMO. He had a solid first half. Lost the ball a few times. Ballooned one over the bar. But that's the type of player he always will be.

Lookman played 24 games in the championship and scored five goals, before Charlton were relegated. I think the £11m includes add ons.

 

[Houso]

ha, well that fucking shut me up! Thought he was much younger than that.

 

[Robby Blade]

Coutts
Duffy
Fleck
O'Connell
Sharp
Clarke
Brooks
Stevens
Basham
Blackman
Baldock
CCV
Freeman
Moore
Eastwood
Wright
Stearman
Carruthers
Donaldson
Evans
Thomas
Lundstram
Lavery
Heneghan
Hanson

Fantastic achievement looking at that lot considering 18 months ago we would have got the square root of fuck all for our squad.

 

[Houston_Blade]

dont know what else the club can do to show we intend to keep him
4 year contracts are rare these days

i know for a fact the chances of brooks leaving in January are as likely as Europe giving us money to settle Brexit
Brooks said he wants to play and all those that might be able to afford him wont guarentee him a place

We have shown intent so far and offering a 4 year deal is a huge step in the right direction. It means nothing though if we accept an offer in January though, the intent appears to be there but how many of us would bet a considerable amount of money that we won't sell him?

You also can't know for a fact that he'll stay, football tends to throw up this conundrum where agents get into young players ears and advise them on what is best for their bank balance rather than their football career (Scott Sinclair, Jack Rodwell, Steve Sidwell to name but a few). If Brooks has an agent like this then hopefully he has a decent head on his shoulders and tells him that he values first team football over cash.

 

[Carlton Blade]

Id much rather watch him develop with us than cash in now. I want to see something special. I know it might never pan out but I'm happy to take that risk

 

[nopigfansintown]

We have shown intent so far and offering a 4 year deal is a huge step in the right direction. It means nothing though if we accept an offer in January though, the intent appears to be there but how many of us would bet a considerable amount of money that we won't sell him?

You also can't know for a fact that he'll stay, football tends to throw up this conundrum where agents get into young players ears and advise them on what is best for their bank balance rather than their football career (Scott Sinclair, Jack Rodwell, Steve Sidwell to name but a few). If Brooks has an agent like this then hopefully he has a decent head on his shoulders and tells him that he values first team football over cash.

He already has done. Wilder: “He wants to stay here, he made that perfectly clear to his agent, and the agent had to do a deal with the club.”

http://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/foot...is-wilder-ahead-of-full-wales-debut-1-8853688

 

[BushBlade]

Right now, he's not ready to be a PL regular but he's too valuable to be bought as a 'prospect'. Most big PL teams would rather pay £30m+ for a proven player than lay out £10m + for a prospect. Why? Because they can afford to. They rarely need to go out and sign young prospects because they've got plenty in their academies. Brooks is no longer a DCL type punt where you can take a risk with a couple of million and, as he appears to have no desire to leave at the moment, we won't be letting him go on the cheap.
We don't need to.

Unless something unexpected and dramatic happens, like he falls out with Wilder, there's no reason to think he won't be with us til the end of the season at least.

 

[blade too long]

We have shown intent so far and offering a 4 year deal is a huge step in the right direction. It means nothing though if we accept an offer in January though, the intent appears to be there but how many of us would bet a considerable amount of money that we won't sell him?
.

me , he knows hes getting the chance to play , which has got him in the Welsh team , hes level headed and can see he will get a chance probably to get regular
first team action in the prem next season with us , and hes probably already been given some indication of the salary that would bring

so hed get to play get paid and with little risk

if he went to one of those who can afford him hed just get Recaro imprints on his arse from sitting on the bench and lose his Welsh place

as the saying goes , Its a whole new ball game here now
and what Bush said

 

[Sharrow Snuff Mill]

With you all the way until you got to the last sentence. I'm assuming you don't trade in stocks and shares mate? Because if you did I don't think you'd be any good at it. You see, the way it works is, you have to try and hazard a guess as to whether your stocks and shares are going to rise, or fall, in value. And the trick is to sell them at a time when they are at their highest, not their lowest. That's how you make money - buy when stock is low and sell when stock is high. Of course, no one can predict when the price will be at its highest, but anyone with any nouse should be able to look at their investment and have a good idea whether it's likely to increase, decrease or stay the same over the short term.

I know exactly what you mean when you say they are other players more integral to the team than him right now - but honestly, we would be stark raving bonkers to let that lad go for £10M in January. It would be something on a greater scale of lunacy than selling TC to Leeds and selling Deane, Fjortoft and Agana in the middle of a promotion run. Why? Not because his sale would weaken and disrupt the team, like these examples I give. But because we'd be throwing money down the drain - absolutely pissing it into the wind.

Brooks will be worth double that within 18 months, maybe even more like £30M or £40M, if we find ourselves in the Prem. That's the reason why you don't even dream of selling the kid now. It's pure financial sense to hold on to him for longer.

Never mind it being financial sense to hang on to him for longer, it is football sense to hold on to him for longer.

 

[PokerBlade]

You have to temper any offer made for Brooks against the actual financial state of the club. We are stable in the sense that our owners back the club and neither have made any sign that they intend to draw a penny out. However, the recent interview with the Prince was very clear in his statement that we'd been running at a loss in League One, and that this period in the Championship is likely to be break even unless we make some January signings to put us at a loss again.

It's easy as fans to say we should hold on to a player like Brooks but the long term financial stability of the club needs to be strongly considered. If selling a player who currently isn't first choice ahead of Duffy et al puts us in a strong position, that matters. We've all been through the Mike McDonald and Charles Green days. We've all watched Wednesday through their Lee Strafford and Co-op Bank sagas. And we were all looking down on Bolton for their financial situation. Not going through that again means sometimes making unexciting financially responsible decisions.

I'm not saying cash in at any price. I'm just saying that there is one, and that's okay. Selling Brooks wouldn't necessarily be a sign of no ambition.

All that said, Brooks is looking more and more like the real deal. The QPR game showed that he needs to learn how to get involved more (no one better to learn from than Duffy, that guy is everywhere in that role) when the game is scrappy but he clearly has the skill and ability to go a long way. If things keep going well for us then holding him for the rest of the season at least seems like the best plan as his value will only increase based on what we've seen so far.

The important thing is that we carry on the kind of football and keep getting the results on the pitch. As long as we're up at this end of the table where dropping back down seems a far-fetched scenario (and it seems more than that right now) then some of the potential financial pressures are alleviated. As long as things stand like this we won't need to make panic buys and can continue gradually building our squad. That, and the chance that Brooks can progress his career without moving on, is what will keep him here.

 

[blader]

Well they have qualified for the world cup above USA.

They are also ranked 49 in the World, above teams like Norway, Russia, Ivory Coast and Ghana.

My overriding point is - are the they better or worse than the teams he/we play week in week out? I would say nowhere near.

I'm more 'scared' of losing him when he's tearing wednesday's defence on a sky than running rings round a load of no marks from a tiny Central American country in channel 980

 

[Houston_Blade]

me , he knows hes getting the chance to play , which has got him in the Welsh team , hes level headed and can see he will get a chance probably to get regular
first team action in the prem next season with us , and hes probably already been given some indication of the salary that would bring

so hed get to play get paid and with little risk

if he went to one of those who can afford him hed just get Recaro imprints on his arse from sitting on the bench and lose his Welsh place

as the saying goes , Its a whole new ball game here now
and what Bush said

I hope for a “told you so” come the end of Jan. I believe we are in a new age with a new mentality, these little tests of resolve will go to prove it to us, for the first time in a long while we have a lot of assets tied down to lengthy contracts, it’s huge that we allow these assets to form the spine of the team for a few years and the possibilities could be very exciting.

 

[blade too long]

I hope for a “told you so” come the end of Jan. I believe we are in a new age with a new mentality, these little tests of resolve will go to prove it to us, for the first time in a long while we have a lot of assets tied down to lengthy contracts, it’s huge that we allow these assets to form the spine of the team for a few years and the possibilities could be very exciting.

Also dont forget when we fell from the prem we were saddled with a 25m wage bill , and not getting back up meant years of selling to remove unsustainable wages
we came up with a very workable 8m or so wage bill , so dont have any excess baggage , different scenario altogether

 

[Mumbo]

Why are so many people obsessed with what brooks could fetch in January?
I think if we were floundering near the bottom there would be good reasons to cash in.
Fortunately we are looking at a shot at the premiership and it does’nt make sense to sell on any level.
Seriously.........some people need to pay attention and look at the changes at S.U.F.C instead of being trapped in the mindset of old.