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But regarding Jairo. Id be happy for him to stay. Ok He doesn't have pace. But as has been mentioned he is a calming influence. He reads the game well and breaks up play. He passes and holds the ball well.
If he can last 90 minutes I think he'll be an asset.
Just my opinion.
More than just you with that opinion to be fair, Jairo is excellent at doing the “unfashionable” things like breaking up play and playing the short balls. Yes every now and then Hamer may come up with a screamer and Jairo will never do any of that. Sometimes you just need players to do the basics well and build a foundation around the spine of a team
 



Both Rothwell and Jairo are on similar salaries, if it was a choice I know which I would prefer. Unsure if Peck will be offloaded but he only has 2 years left on his contract so if it’s not this season, he will be cheaper next season if he doesn’t sign.
Which makes the signing of Rothwell even more baffling.

Speaking to people at the club the gossip is the option hasn’t been taken up.
 
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Which makes the signing of Rothwell even more baffling.

Speaking to people at the club the gossip is the option hasn’t been taken up.
I can believe it on Jairo to be fair mainly because of cost, salary wise. I don’t know how long we have been after Rothwell for before he signed but it seemed like Wilder wanted him in his club, Jairo was signed as available and needed. It depends on Gus really, as if they offloaded him that would free up wages for Jairo and reduce to overall wage bill. The problem we have is having Bamford, Gus, Rothwell and Jairo at over £30k each a week we also had Mee and Ings in that bracket too. Without getting rid of the high earners we can’t stay under the rules. Luckily Rothwell, Gus and Bamford only have next season left on their contracts it’s how we cope when we really need to scrape the barrel next season if we have the money to extend any.
 
Looking at these new rules, it will be very hard for non parachute teams to compete. It will also reduce the transfer fee's paid for players.
 
Looking at these new rules, it will be very hard for non parachute teams to compete. It will also reduce the transfer fee's paid for players.
Going to increasingly incentivise a sign and develop approach it’ll favour clubs with productive academies and who are able to sign and develop. We have the first of those things although I think we’ve had a golden generation which isn’t going to continue indefinitely. We desperately need to show we can be a club which can sign and develop players again something we arguably haven’t done since Wilder MKI
 
Peck's the only one I'd want to keep from that list. Jairo's a calming influence but neither dynamic nor a game changer, Rothwell plays in very short spurts and we can't carry passengers. I didn't get all the hype with Blaster pre-injury where I thought he was too slow to be top class. If he comes back next season without improving a lot he might be one of our own, but he won't be a very good one.

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Yep - lose Peck and you can kiss goodbye to any pace in midfield , keeping our transition just as slow & boring as it's been for ages.
Brooks is wasted on the RW as was Hamer on the LW.
Both could be tried in the engine room but I doubt Hamer has the energy for it.
If he stays and returns to preseason having failed to get any more athletic , I'd sell him before the deadline.
Throw in Shackleton for free to sweeten the deal.
We absolutely need another Peck-type leader in midfield , but with more idea about going forward.
How we finance that I don't know.
 
Looking at these new rules, it will be very hard for non parachute teams to compete. It will also reduce the transfer fee's paid for players.
Depends if the rules are enforced like they have been with the pigs , Leicester , ManCity & Chelsea.
Or like with Bury , Luton etc.

But if they are enforced fully , it won't be long before the PL is a closed shop of 23 clubs , with 3 of those clubs who finish 21, 22 & 23 , doing a season in the Championship as a kind of temporary demotion , being re-promoted no matter what , the following season and the 3 bottoms coming down for their one-season stint in the Championship.

The highest-finishing non-parachute club will "win" the Championship - id like to see us have a go at doing that before I die. Just for sentimental value , if nothing else.

All sounds a bit far-fetched ?
When PL clubs are owned by oil-states ?
Watch this space !
 
Yep - lose Peck and you can kiss goodbye to any pace in midfield , keeping our transition just as slow & boring as it's been for ages.
Brooks is wasted on the RW as was Hamer on the LW.
Both could be tried in the engine room but I doubt Hamer has the energy for it.
If he stays and returns to preseason having failed to get any more athletic , I'd sell him before the deadline.
Throw in Shackleton for free to sweeten the deal.
We absolutely need another Peck-type leader in midfield , but with more idea about going forward.
How we finance that I don't know.
What position are you suggesting Brooks should play in? (Not criticising, just want to understand your thoughts)
 
Depends if the rules are enforced like they have been with the pigs , Leicester , ManCity & Chelsea.
Or like with Bury , Luton etc.

But if they are enforced fully , it won't be long before the PL is a closed shop of 23 clubs , with 3 of those clubs who finish 21, 22 & 23 , doing a season in the Championship as a kind of temporary demotion , being re-promoted no matter what , the following season and the 3 bottoms coming down for their one-season stint in the Championship.

The highest-finishing non-parachute club will "win" the Championship - id like to see us have a go at doing that before I die. Just for sentimental value , if nothing else.

All sounds a bit far-fetched ?
When PL clubs are owned by oil-states ?
Watch this space !
I know we are talking different territory but Premiership (Prem) Rugby has just become a closed shop for relegation with the aim of promoting 2 more clubs when they hit criteria. In their cases they are waiting for Worcester and Wasps to be back.

In some ways I don’t have a problem with a breakaway Premier League in football mainly because of the gap in finances now is so large and I could see it happening or maybe in a similar way to how Scotland Premiership split, it could be top 10 championship and bottom 10 Premier league or something.

However if they did fully split I would like the EFL League cup to not include the Premier League and “promote” the National league to create a League 3. The Premier League would be a closed shop almost with franchising with oil money and the EFL has promotion and relegation. Although the Premier League should be the dream realistically its not been that fun on too many occasions so you do start to wonder why do we want to be there.
 
Which makes the signing of Rothwell even more baffling.

Speaking to people at the club the gossip is the option hasn’t been taken up.
KMC I wonder if that increases the likelihood of Phillips coming back? We don't need Rothwell, Jairo and Phillips but we could do with 2 of them. You add them to Blaster and Peck (or his replacement ) and that will be our CM fornnext season I suspect. Desperately lacking in athletisism but functional.
 



What position are you suggesting Brooks should play in? (Not criticising, just want to understand your thoughts)
I've got a fairly open mind about where to use Brooks pace & talent , apart from the fact that I'm against inverted wingers unless their weaker foot is at least decent - and I think he struggles on the RW.
I think it's great that we have a good young L-footed player and I like the fact that despite being an attack-minded lad , he is competent at getting back and tackling.
I'd like to see him tried on the left side of midfield , whether wide or central , I don't mind.
Given that we will be skint this summer and our midfield looks pretty average , I think we should be developing Brooks with a view to him possibly being an ACM - we certainly can't afford to buy one !
Ps - it's sad but I just don't see Blaster regaining his prior form & career trajectory - great shame but that injury has taken something away from him.
Hoping he can surprise me.
 
Let the big 6 sod off and form an ESL and much of the money driven corruption disappears with them tbh
Still no retained list though
After watching the highlights of the past 2 Celtic matches I believe that football is fixed, Manchester Utd have shall we say have had the rub of the green, there’s nothing sacred can’t they keep their mucky paws off our sport and keep them on politics!
 
Which makes the signing of Rothwell even more baffling.

Speaking to people at the club the gossip is the option hasn’t been taken up.

If we're not taking up the option on Jairo as Wilder thinks Slothwell can do that role then he really has lost the plot completely.

It wouldn't surprise me at all tbh.
 
More than just you with that opinion to be fair, Jairo is excellent at doing the “unfashionable” things like breaking up play and playing the short balls. Yes every now and then Hamer may come up with a screamer and Jairo will never do any of that. Sometimes you just need players to do the basics well and build a foundation around the spine of a team
But with Jairo and Peck in midfield, we finished 13th and lost 22. Rarely did we control midfield. The defence has been rightly criticised but I have issues with a central midfield that does not protect the defence, but rarely scores/ assists or carries other forward and gets physically overrun. If we roll those two out again next season, we probably finish no higher than mid table.

We have no mobility in the middle of the park and sadly Jairo is a big part of that. With the new rules and with us having Rodwell already here (who is inferior but contracted) I sense he won't be back.
 
But with Jairo and Peck in midfield, we finished 13th and lost 22. Rarely did we control midfield. The defence has been rightly criticised but I have issues with a central midfield that does not protect the defence, but rarely scores/ assists or carries other forward and gets physically overrun. If we roll those two out again next season, we probably finish no higher than mid table.

We have no mobility in the middle of the park and sadly Jairo is a big part of that. With the new rules and with us having Rodwell already here (who is inferior but contracted) I sense he won't be back.
The main problem was mentioned on the other thread about the Jairo hour, when he was on the pitch we did well but then things seem to fall apart when he was replaced. I don’t think we can afford a 60 min Jairo on those wages though. With the teams that will be in the division next season and the cuts we need to make in wages, I think I would take mid-table now to be fair. Rebuild and go again 27/28 Wilders contract will be up too so be interesting to see if it turns a corner and we start to use it as an opportunity to improve the club.
 
The main problem was mentioned on the other thread about the Jairo hour, when he was on the pitch we did well but then things seem to fall apart when he was replaced. I don’t think we can afford a 60 min Jairo on those wages though. With the teams that will be in the division next season and the cuts we need to make in wages, I think I would take mid-table now to be fair. Rebuild and go again 27/28 Wilders contract will be up too so be interesting to see if it turns a corner and we start to use it as an opportunity to improve the club.

Surely it's against the rules to buy players that can last anywhere near 90 minutes? I don't think that's allowed.
 
Surely it's against the rules to buy players that can last anywhere near 90 minutes? I don't think that's allowed.
I know like the craziest idea ever. Although I know they had the additional subs in Covid it was in place at 5 subs in 23/24 for our Premier League season. I don’t know anything about professional conditioning but apart from when players are coming back from an injury they should be easily be able to last 90 minutes, tracking back etc. Apparently according to google a Championship midfielder averages 10-12km in a 90 minutes match. I am 38 and ran a sub 1 hour 10k last year and I am no where near what I would class as fit. It seems the “workload” is very light at best especially as most of our midfielders are walking and then make the occasional run.
 
Rarely did we control midfield.
Spot on here deadbeat. We didnt. That's got to be an issue. We lack a midfield general. Yes, on his day , ( and too often he wasn't this season) Hamer is quality. But is not a 90 minute man. Peck has excellent work rate too but is not consistent. With Brooks and Arblaster we SHOULD have a formidable midfield. But strangely it didn't work that way. There's a missing link. That's the key. Could Philips be that key? Money, and time will tell. ( I doubt he'll end up coming though)
The defence has been rightly criticised but I have issues with a central midfield that does not protect the defence, but rarely scores/ assists or carries other forward and gets physically overrun.
The defence has been a big problem. We need a solid centre half. Kyle Walker might come. Again it's going to be a case of money. ( which we're not forthcoming with usually) Let's see how serious our owners are.Binden and him together could be a good partnership.
It's all pie in the sky at the moment.
I won't be holding my breath.
 
I know like the craziest idea ever. Although I know they had the additional subs in Covid it was in place at 5 subs in 23/24 for our Premier League season. I don’t know anything about professional conditioning but apart from when players are coming back from an injury they should be easily be able to last 90 minutes, tracking back etc. Apparently according to google a Championship midfielder averages 10-12km in a 90 minutes match. I am 38 and ran a sub 1 hour 10k last year and I am no where near what I would class as fit. It seems the “workload” is very light at best especially as most of our midfielders are walking and then make the occasional run.
Although I’m a lot lot older I’m still a keen amateur runner and would say that the 10k is in short sprints which is far more tiring on the body plus there’s the physical contact and running in continuous different directions I don’t think you can compare, I did see a tv programme where the Bournemouth team had to run a 10k in training and they were all coming in under 34 mins.
 
Although I’m a lot lot older I’m still a keen amateur runner and would say that the 10k is in short sprints which is far more tiring on the body plus there’s the physical contact and running in continuous different directions I don’t think you can compare, I did see a tv programme where the Bournemouth team had to run a 10k in training and they were all coming in under 34 mins.
Definitely can see where you are coming from but be interesting to do a 10k to see where our players would finish. We were definitely fitter as a squad 20 years ago when physical football was our thing, it’s not in the game as it used to be. Plus if you dangled a £20-30k a week carrot in front on me I would be chomping at the bit. It’s natural injuries are going to occur but personally I don’t think there is an excuse for players to be tiring after 60 mins in football, I could understand if it was either code of Rugby where you are being physically battered and there are some young Rugby League players in the top tier (Super League) on minimum wage.
 
Although I’m a lot lot older I’m still a keen amateur runner and would say that the 10k is in short sprints which is far more tiring on the body plus there’s the physical contact and running in continuous different directions I don’t think you can compare, I did see a tv programme where the Bournemouth team had to run a 10k in training and they were all coming in under 34 mins.
Starting to think I am not making it. Just did slightly over 5k in 31 minutes testing out a dodgy knee! The lack of confidence I had in my knee to go faster was a interesting mind game that I am sure pros go through coming back from injury too
 
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Definitely can see where you are coming from but be interesting to do a 10k to see where our players would finish. We were definitely fitter as a squad 20 years ago when physical football was our thing, it’s not in the game as it used to be. Plus if you dangled a £20-30k a week carrot in front on me I would be chomping at the bit. It’s natural injuries are going to occur but personally I don’t think there is an excuse for players to be tiring after 60 mins in football, I could understand if it was either code of Rugby where you are being physically battered and there are some young Rugby League players in the top tier (Super League) on minimum wage.
Rugby League players are bred differently though....

Seriously, if we're even comparing the fitness of our players with us paying 'punters' then we really do have a problem. These guys should have physical attributes mortals can only dream about. The thought of Hamer, Riedeweld, Rothwell, Bamford, Arblaster completing a 10k, let alone getting close to 34 mins is hilarious.

Shows how fucked we are! We can rearrange the deckchairs all we want with retaining this guy, buying that one - until we have a diametric shift in culture/philosophy/attitude to physical excellence - we'll be slipping down the league table(s)...
 



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