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JJBlade said:
Is that last one Alan Cork ?
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What the hell are the EFL playing at its looking like they couldn't run a pissup in a brewery..
They have to act quickly or this season will become a complete joke.Clubs basically running the show unilaterally, once a fixture is off! Nothing can bring it back so the EFL is playing stum,an investigation should start now.
EFL it seems hasn't been fit for purpose for sometime now.
 
finlaytheblade said:
What the hell are the EFL playing at its looking like they couldn't run a pissup in a brewery..
They have to act quickly or this season will become a complete joke.Clubs basically running the show unilaterally, once a fixture is off! Nothing can bring it back so the EFL is playing stum,an investigation should start now.
EFL it seems hasn't been fit for purpose for sometime now.
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Unfortunately the only people who investigate the goings on are the EFL themselves?

Bit like all sports governing bodies, FIA,FIFA, tennis organisations, you name it, dictatorships all of them, where they make the rules and enforce what they like and will bend whatever to suit thier agenda
 
This takes the piss. I'm all for giving other clubs the benefit of the doubt and airing on the side of caution, but they should be expected to:

1. Play where they can.
2. Bring in youth players to fill the squad where needed.
3. Take up the next specified date or forfeit the points.

It takes the piss. QPR was due to injuries, not our fault and is now due to AFCON, their bad planning. One rearranged date (and that's being very lenient and generous) or piss off.
 
I don’t have too much of an issue with clubs that say they have covid in the camp cancelling games. We all want people to be safe. It’s the rearranging of the fixtures that’s getting on my nerves. The efl should set the dates for the rearranged fixtures. Give the clubs 2 weeks to do a deep clean and get on with it.

Also what about the lost tv revenue? The clubs that cancelled should reimburse us!
 
Genuine question - Hull played yesterday, QPR are down to play today, why can’t we play one of them this Tuesday / Wednesday / Thursday (I know it’s the FA cup this weekend, but come on, nobody plays their strongest team anyway)? What’s the hold up? Is there a minimum notice period that needs to be set before a game can be rearranged?
 
Beans said:
Genuine question - Hull played yesterday, QPR are down to play today, why can’t we play one of them this Tuesday / Wednesday / Thursday (I know it’s the FA cup this weekend, but come on, nobody plays their strongest team anyway)? What’s the hold up? Is there a minimum notice period that needs to be set before a game can be rearranged?
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QPR are apparently citing injuries and lack of squad depth as a reason and saying that playing too many games in a short period is bad for the players they do have available. It’s bollocks but that’s apparently their line.
 
Beans said:
Genuine question - Hull played yesterday, QPR are down to play today, why can’t we play one of them this Tuesday / Wednesday / Thursday (I know it’s the FA cup this weekend, but come on, nobody plays their strongest team anyway)? What’s the hold up? Is there a minimum notice period that needs to be set before a game can be rearranged?
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Annoyingly it’s probably more a police/council minimum notice period than anything to do with football…
 
varkanoid said:
EFL really need to crack the whip on this, nothing to stop QPR rearranging the fixture when they know their main players are back from injury.
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They couldve postponed their game this week in favour of our game as we’ve played the fewest games in the league (along with a a few others)
 
Yogi said:
QPR are apparently citing injuries and lack of squad depth as a reason and saying that playing too many games in a short period is bad for the players they do have available. It’s bollocks but that’s apparently their line.
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They played a game a few days ago and won.
This lot is beginning to stink
 
Yogi said:
QPR are apparently citing injuries and lack of squad depth as a reason and saying that playing too many games in a short period is bad for the players they do have available. It’s bollocks but that’s apparently their line.
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Any club can claim squad fatigue. It's no reason to call games off. It shouldn't be allowed as a reason to not stage them either.

They aren't doing us a favour by playing a game they quiched out of.

League should just say next available date. Why make it a negotiation?

It should have taken place a month ago now. They are playing games again. Absolutely no justified reason to not play in Jan other than some other self interest e.g. ACN but that shouldn't come into play. United should suggest a date in Jan when ACN is on and then appeal to the league if they refuse.
 



Champagneblade said:
Any club can claim squad fatigue. It's no reason to call games off. It shouldn't be allowed as a reason to not stage them either.

They aren't doing us a favour by playing a game they quiched out of.

League should just say next available date. Why make it a negotiation?

It should have taken place a month ago now. They are playing games again. Absolutely no justified reason to not play in Jan other than some other self interest e.g. ACN but that shouldn't come into play. United should suggest a date in Jan when ACN is on and then appeal to the league if they refuse.
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Which players do they lose ?
 
Its frustrating around the rearranged games but unless it's the end of the season I've never seen games rearranged quickly even pre Covid. Whether that is right I am not sure. Not sure why many of us expected that to be any different now?

QPR have now won back to back away games and are flying. Surely they would have postponed a few more recently if they were that bothered and have just played 2 in 4 days? I'm sure they'd like to play it ASAP the away run they are on. Are they that bothered about a team in 13th?

I get the African Nations may cause them to wait if it can't happen in the next few weeks but we'd surely do the same if it was us? The EFL could step in but they won't. It's down to the two clubs to arrange a date so if Utd are desperate for a date during the African Nations then they approach the EFL. However that would look like United are trying to manipulate a situation too so we are no better (as original game they nay have had some of these players- granted others would have been missing). I understand QPR of course cancelled so we should be the ones who suggest dates with us at home too but if QPR refuse to agree to certain dates then not sure anything happens unless the EFL step in.

I'm not sure all these teams are swerving out of playing mid table and a very rusty SUFC though. Do people really think that?

We seem to have quite an inflated opinion of ourselves! Fulham, Swansea,Reading, Preston and Luton have missed a similar number. All in different league positions.

Sure some teams may want to wait in terms of re-arranged games but if I was those clubs I'd do the same with the amount of covid around. I'm sure that is true of all those teams re-arranging. Playing another game in an already packed next few weeks when covid is at its peak could cause further issues for us too in terms of catching it.

I agree the governance from the EFL is weak and many of these games should have taken place. I'm not debating that. It's led to a situation where clubs are annihilating things but not sure this is directly down to playing us?

The postponements has led to the number that needs to be rearranged but a game taking part in say 3 weeks or 3 months matters little really aside from the QPR thing which looks like we would be trying to manometer ourselves in a position of strength if we insisted on playing it when they had 3 out.

A lot saying we should just play it next week it week after but due to lgistics (police/staffing) that's unlikely. Games that are rearranged rarely are sorted within a week or so. I'd expect a few others to be sorted in the next week or so maybe.

There will be so many to fit in, most teams will be playing Sat-Tues/Weds for last 7 or 8 weeks anyway.

Maybe I'd be more annoyed if this was jeopardising a promotion/relegation season but we are mid table with loads of teams between us and the playoffs and nearly double figure gap in points. Playoffs are a possibility but more unlikely than likely on what we have seen all season.

This conspiracy theory that the whole League and teams are against mid table Sheff Utd is almost comical and makes us look a bit pathetic. I know this may not be an opinion shared by most on here and this post may be criticised.

It's shit we've had games off and we have been hit more than most but 1-2 others have a similar amount to rearrange and 5-6 others only one fewer.

I agree the EFL have made a mess of this with no accountability or proper leadership but I do find the 'It's all to stop SUFC' a bit pathetic to be honest when there are clubs all over hit as hard or nearly as hard.

Tin hat on!
 
Deadbat said:
Its frustrating around the rearranged games but unless it's the end of the season I've never seen games rearranged quickly even pre Covid. Whether that is right I am not sure. Not sure why many of us expected that to be any different now?

QPR have now won back to back away games and are flying. Surely they would have postponed a few more recently if they were that bothered and have just played 2 in 4 days? I'm sure they'd like to play it ASAP the away run they are on. Are they that bothered about a team in 13th?

I get the African Nations may cause them to wait if it can't happen in the next few weeks but we'd surely do the same if it was us? The EFL could step in but they won't. It's down to the two clubs to arrange a date so if Utd are desperate for a date during the African Nations then they approach the EFL. However that would look like United are trying to manipulate a situation too so we are no better (as original game they nay have had some of these players- granted others would have been missing). I understand QPR of course cancelled so we should be the ones who suggest dates with us at home too but if QPR refuse to agree to certain dates then not sure anything happens unless the EFL step in.

I'm not sure all these teams are swerving out of playing mid table and a very rusty SUFC though. Do people really think that?

We seem to have quite an inflated opinion of ourselves! Fulham, Swansea,Reading, Preston and Luton have missed a similar number. All in different league positions.

Sure some teams may want to wait in terms of re-arranged games but if I was those clubs I'd do the same with the amount of covid around. I'm sure that is true of all those teams re-arranging. Playing another game in an already packed next few weeks when covid is at its peak could cause further issues for us too in terms of catching it.

I agree the governance from the EFL is weak and many of these games should have taken place. I'm not debating that. It's led to a situation where clubs are annihilating things but not sure this is directly down to playing us?

The postponements has led to the number that needs to be rearranged but a game taking part in say 3 weeks or 3 months matters little really aside from the QPR thing which looks like we would be trying to manometer ourselves in a position of strength if we insisted on playing it when they had 3 out.

A lot saying we should just play it next week it week after but due to lgistics (police/staffing) that's unlikely. Games that are rearranged rarely are sorted within a week or so. I'd expect a few others to be sorted in the next week or so maybe.

There will be so many to fit in, most teams will be playing Sat-Tues/Weds for last 7 or 8 weeks anyway.

Maybe I'd be more annoyed if this was jeopardising a promotion/relegation season but we are mid table with loads of teams between us and the playoffs and nearly double figure gap in points. Playoffs are a possibility but more unlikely than likely on what we have seen all season.

This conspiracy theory that the whole League and teams are against mid table Sheff Utd is almost comical and makes us look a bit pathetic. I know this may not be an opinion shared by most on here and this post may be criticised.

It's shit we've had games off and we have been hit more than most but 1-2 others have a similar amount to rearrange and 5-6 others only one fewer.

I agree the EFL have made a mess of this with no accountability or proper leadership but I do find the 'It's all to stop SUFC' a bit pathetic to be honest when there are clubs all over hit as hard or nearly as hard.

Tin hat on!
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Agree with a lot of that Deadbat°.Obviously no conspiracy but ! When Heckie comes out with that comment ! obviously something going on.
 
finlaytheblade said:
Agree with a lot of that Deadbat°.Obviously no conspiracy but ! When Heckie comes out with that comment ! obviously something going on.
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The Fulham, Reading, Luton, Swansea etc managers may feel the same. As could dozens of others up and down the land.

We are feeling it as have had 3 off and it's unfortunate it has affected us but the way some fans are reacting to this make as look quite petulant. I think for man it's frustration of not being able to see or go to a match over Xmas. This has seen some fans frustration aimed in the wrong place. Some of the comments on twitter have even embarrassing really.

The vitriol needs to be aimed at the EFL not the other clubs. They've created loopholes so clubs will look after themselves and may manipulate things but again this notion they want to play others but not us, is a bit laughable.

As I say I sense I might he alone a bit in my opinion but people getting so angry over games not being played or not being rearranged may need to buckle in as we are going to see a lot more of this the next few months maybe the rest of the season?

The next few games for United may get postponed and we might not play again till February. I worry how fans are going to deal with this if this happens judging by reactions (I was fuming but now reflecting I see 70% of ganes off last 3-4 weeks)

We may see games go with 24 hours notice regularly and I think planning for away games this season may be ambitious and expensive for fans.

It's shit but not sure what any of us can do about it. Football was not the same behind closed doors and is not the same now. Least we may see the odd game! Just hope that this is the last season we see of this but the trajectory of covid suggests we may see different variants that peak in Winters. The leagues may need some drastic action moving forward (winter break/move to summer) to keep the integrity of competitions or we will face this stop-start and/or crowds in/out for a few seasons yet.

I think many of us are just frustrated and whilst I agree leagues could do more, even I have some sympathy with them to some degree as noone foresaw so many (not just footballers) catching it so much.

As I say I know above is not the popular opinion but this is bigger than SUFC and even the poor governance of leagues as the world/employers are being hit everywhere.
 
I have no doubt teams have abused this, to our detriment. But agree it is the spineless EFL who are at fault, every team will do anything they can to gain an advantage, that's professional sport.
 
Champagneblade said:
Any club can claim squad fatigue. It's no reason to call games off. It shouldn't be allowed as a reason to not stage them either.

They aren't doing us a favour by playing a game they quiched out of.

League should just say next available date. Why make it a negotiation?

It should have taken place a month ago now. They are playing games again. Absolutely no justified reason to not play in Jan other than some other self interest e.g. ACN but that shouldn't come into play. United should suggest a date in Jan when ACN is on and then appeal to the league if they refuse.
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I agree the EFL should’ve been in charge of rearranging fixtures anyway.
 
I know technically we are mid table but that is hugely skewed by the number of games played. We win just one game in hand and we're already 8th.

Do I think at the time QPR dodged us? Absolutely they didn't fancy playing a game missing 4 first teamers against a team who had just won 3 on the spin.

But I will caveat this; if you have aspirations of making something of the season, then you should be able to average at least 2 points per game out of QPR, Boro, Hull and Preston when 3 of them are at home. With the way we were playing I'd have been expecting 9 points minimum.

Bit then again Deadbat you are the self professed 'most negative United fan' so you do have a reputation to uphold 😉
 
Deadbat said:
The Fulham, Reading, Luton, Swansea etc managers may feel the same. As could dozens of others up and down the land.

We are feeling it as have had 3 off and it's unfortunate it has affected us but the way some fans are reacting to this make as look quite petulant. I think for man it's frustration of not being able to see or go to a match over Xmas. This has seen some fans frustration aimed in the wrong place. Some of the comments on twitter have even embarrassing really.

The vitriol needs to be aimed at the EFL not the other clubs. They've created loopholes so clubs will look after themselves and may manipulate things but again this notion they want to play others but not us, is a bit laughable.

As I say I sense I might he alone a bit in my opinion but people getting so angry over games not being played or not being rearranged may need to buckle in as we are going to see a lot more of this the next few months maybe the rest of the season?

The next few games for United may get postponed and we might not play again till February. I worry how fans are going to deal with this if this happens judging by reactions (I was fuming but now reflecting I see 70% of ganes off last 3-4 weeks)

We may see games go with 24 hours notice regularly and I think planning for away games this season may be ambitious and expensive for fans.

It's shit but not sure what any of us can do about it. Football was not the same behind closed doors and is not the same now. Least we may see the odd game! Just hope that this is the last season we see of this but the trajectory of covid suggests we may see different variants that peak in Winters. The leagues may need some drastic action moving forward (winter break/move to summer) to keep the integrity of competitions or we will face this stop-start and/or crowds in/out for a few seasons yet.

I think many of us are just frustrated and whilst I agree leagues could do more, even I have some sympathy with them to some degree as noone foresaw so many (not just footballers) catching it so much.

As I say I know above is not the popular opinion but this is bigger than SUFC and even the poor governance of leagues as the world/employers are being hit everywhere.
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How come Preston (who we were supposed to be playing on Boxing Day) have quickly agreed to a new date to play us but QPR (who we were supposed to play on Dec 13th) havent? EFL will have to step in
 
Deadbat said:
The Fulham, Reading, Luton, Swansea etc managers may feel the same. As could dozens of others up and down the land.

We are feeling it as have had 3 off and it's unfortunate it has affected us but the way some fans are reacting to this make as look quite petulant. I think for man it's frustration of not being able to see or go to a match over Xmas. This has seen some fans frustration aimed in the wrong place. Some of the comments on twitter have even embarrassing really.

The vitriol needs to be aimed at the EFL not the other clubs. They've created loopholes so clubs will look after themselves and may manipulate things but again this notion they want to play others but not us, is a bit laughable.

As I say I sense I might he alone a bit in my opinion but people getting so angry over games not being played or not being rearranged may need to buckle in as we are going to see a lot more of this the next few months maybe the rest of the season?

The next few games for United may get postponed and we might not play again till February. I worry how fans are going to deal with this if this happens judging by reactions (I was fuming but now reflecting I see 70% of ganes off last 3-4 weeks)

We may see games go with 24 hours notice regularly and I think planning for away games this season may be ambitious and expensive for fans.

It's shit but not sure what any of us can do about it. Football was not the same behind closed doors and is not the same now. Least we may see the odd game! Just hope that this is the last season we see of this but the trajectory of covid suggests we may see different variants that peak in Winters. The leagues may need some drastic action moving forward (winter break/move to summer) to keep the integrity of competitions or we will face this stop-start and/or crowds in/out for a few seasons yet.

I think many of us are just frustrated and whilst I agree leagues could do more, even I have some sympathy with them to some degree as noone foresaw so many (not just footballers) catching it so much.

As I say I know above is not the popular opinion but this is bigger than SUFC and even the poor governance of leagues as the world/employers are being hit everywhere.
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Under Warnock we had a Saturday evening game postponed away at Portsmouth late on. It was rescheduled for Monday night 48 hours later. We won 2-1.
 
Silent Blade said:
How come Preston (who we were supposed to be playing on Boxing Day) have quickly agreed to a new date to play us but QPR (who we were supposed to play on Dec 13th) havent? EFL will have to step in
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I've no idea but not sure games that are postponed are always rearranged sequentially in terms of order after postponements. Not sure there is any ruling around they have to be done in any kind of order? Maybe they should but it is not always done in such a way.

The cynic in me suggests that they will want to delay it till after the AFCON. I'd do the same if I was QPR. Same for any other games they have to fit in. People may say they should make them play in that period but they'll play devil's advocate and say why should they when there are lots of alternate dates later in the season. You can see it from there point of view. I'd be the same and want our strongest side.

Granted QPR called the first game and in am ideal world we would say its happening here and tough but unlikely they will agree. That's why as you say the EFL need to have more say on things like this.

I am not sure the EFL specify the dates at all. They just rubber stamp when clubs agree. It is down to clubs, policing, rivals fixtures. Maybe they should be more involved.

EFL will do nothing. They've proved that over the last few weeks.

People can moan about the clubs all they want but unless those that govern it get tougher on all aspects of this, teams will continue to play it. I'm just not convinced it's a specific avoid SUFC thing or screw SUFC thing.
 
Champagneblade said:
I know technically we are mid table but that is hugely skewed by the number of games played. We win just one game in hand and we're already 8th.

Do I think at the time QPR dodged us? Absolutely they didn't fancy playing a game missing 4 first teamers against a team who had just won 3 on the spin.
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Four on the spin.
 
ISZA ⚔️ said:
Under Warnock we had a Saturday evening game postponed away at Portsmouth late on. It was rescheduled for Monday night 48 hours later. We won 2-1.
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That was the season when we had huge fixture congestion I recall due to the cup runs/replays.

Wish it happened more like that.

I agree. I have no idea why games cannot be rearranged much quicker (police/staffing only things I can think of). They should be rearranged much quicker but never are and with all the covid around now, I do not expect that to change at the moment.

I get we are frustrated with things but unless the League govern it better,clubs will just spin things out till there is less covid around etc. Once again don't blame the clubs. If we were the team whos played more, I'd be wanting more off if my team can keep playing and winninn and more fixture congestion for others to help us. Any fans who say otherwise are probably not being truthful.

Teams and fans will look out for their own situation.
 



Deadbat said:
Its frustrating around the rearranged games but unless it's the end of the season I've never seen games rearranged quickly even pre Covid. Whether that is right I am not sure. Not sure why many of us expected that to be any different now?

QPR have now won back to back away games and are flying. Surely they would have postponed a few more recently if they were that bothered and have just played 2 in 4 days? I'm sure they'd like to play it ASAP the away run they are on. Are they that bothered about a team in 13th?

I get the African Nations may cause them to wait if it can't happen in the next few weeks but we'd surely do the same if it was us? The EFL could step in but they won't. It's down to the two clubs to arrange a date so if Utd are desperate for a date during the African Nations then they approach the EFL. However that would look like United are trying to manipulate a situation too so we are no better (as original game they nay have had some of these players- granted others would have been missing). I understand QPR of course cancelled so we should be the ones who suggest dates with us at home too but if QPR refuse to agree to certain dates then not sure anything happens unless the EFL step in.

I'm not sure all these teams are swerving out of playing mid table and a very rusty SUFC though. Do people really think that?

We seem to have quite an inflated opinion of ourselves! Fulham, Swansea,Reading, Preston and Luton have missed a similar number. All in different league positions.

Sure some teams may want to wait in terms of re-arranged games but if I was those clubs I'd do the same with the amount of covid around. I'm sure that is true of all those teams re-arranging. Playing another game in an already packed next few weeks when covid is at its peak could cause further issues for us too in terms of catching it.

I agree the governance from the EFL is weak and many of these games should have taken place. I'm not debating that. It's led to a situation where clubs are annihilating things but not sure this is directly down to playing us?

The postponements has led to the number that needs to be rearranged but a game taking part in say 3 weeks or 3 months matters little really aside from the QPR thing which looks like we would be trying to manometer ourselves in a position of strength if we insisted on playing it when they had 3 out.

A lot saying we should just play it next week it week after but due to lgistics (police/staffing) that's unlikely. Games that are rearranged rarely are sorted within a week or so. I'd expect a few others to be sorted in the next week or so maybe.

There will be so many to fit in, most teams will be playing Sat-Tues/Weds for last 7 or 8 weeks anyway.

Maybe I'd be more annoyed if this was jeopardising a promotion/relegation season but we are mid table with loads of teams between us and the playoffs and nearly double figure gap in points. Playoffs are a possibility but more unlikely than likely on what we have seen all season.

This conspiracy theory that the whole League and teams are against mid table Sheff Utd is almost comical and makes us look a bit pathetic. I know this may not be an opinion shared by most on here and this post may be criticised.

It's shit we've had games off and we have been hit more than most but 1-2 others have a similar amount to rearrange and 5-6 others only one fewer.

I agree the EFL have made a mess of this with no accountability or proper leadership but I do find the 'It's all to stop SUFC' a bit pathetic to be honest when there are clubs all over hit as hard or nearly as hard.

Tin hat on!
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