Project Restart - Hoping for 8th June

[Bladesman]

All of the bottom six teams with a chance of going down will be against a restart, because they know if it doesn’t happen, there’ll be no relegations at all.

Even if it gets the go ahead, I can see those same teams trying to derail the fixtures by any means possible, Karen Bradys probably got a freezer full of bat burgers, ready for an impromptu team BBQ round at hers.

She wants to disinfect the pitch.

 

[Maidenhead]

There are many ways to skin a cat. If I were the Premier League I would test these supposed morals and principles that the bottom 6 are purporting to hold.

State that relegation is happening, irregardless of whether the season can be played out. Then devise half a dozen different metrics for placing teams should no further games be played. Each metric should see different teams from the bottom 6 finishing in the bottom 3. Advise clubs that the Premier League holds the power to decide which metric is the fairest. Then see whether or not they want to finish the season.

The Premier League is a members organisation and each club holds one share.

To make any changes to any of the rules a two thirds majority is required (14 out of 20)

If 14 clubs or more vote for the same scenario to end the season in whatever way they deem best I'm struggling to see how any of those most adversely affected can have any recourse to law to resolve their dissatisfactions.

They knew the rules at the start of the season, they signed up to the rules when they achieved PL status, the same rules apply to everyone, and the league will have acted within it's constitutions.

I'm also guessing that there are clauses in the membership agreement precluding them from resorting to legal action against the league. These may well be deemed to be unfair but even if they are it still doesn't mean that they have any basis for action if the PL acts within the rules they signed up to.

A simplistic view but it's how I see things although I do accept that today's nothing is my fault, everything is someone's fault, everybody must be equal litigious society will find something inherently unfair about it.

 

[BushBlade]

The Premier League is a members organisation and each club holds one share.

To make any changes to any of the rules a two thirds majority is required (14 out of 20)

If 14 clubs or more vote for the same scenario to end the season in whatever way they deem best I'm struggling to see how any of those most adversely affected can have any recourse to law to resolve their dissatisfactions.

They knew the rules at the start of the season, they signed up to the rules when they achieved PL status, the same rules apply to everyone, and the league will have acted within it's constitutions.

I'm also guessing that there are clauses in the membership agreement precluding them from resorting to legal action against the league. These may well be deemed to be unfair but even if they are it still doesn't mean that they have any basis for action if the PL acts within the rules they signed up to.

A simplistic view but it's how I see things although I do accept that today's nothing is my fault, everything is someone's fault, everybody must be equal litigious society will find something inherently unfair about it.

I don’t want to drag this up again but when we were unfairly relegated due to the PL not applying punishments consistently, wasn’t it the case that we weren’t allowed to sue the PL? Hence why we had to sue West Ham directly through CAS.
I also believe there is a requirement under either FIFA or UEFA to have promotion and relegation.
So, unless they void the season and Sky etc are happy not to get their money back for the games that haven’t been played, I perceive the biggest threat to the PL is from legal challenges by the EFL if there are no relegations or promotions.

On that basis, I can only see three options

End the season and either keep the league positions as it stands now or use PPG.

Play out the season in neutral venues.

Ask the government to step in to introduce emergency legislation whereby anyone who congregates near a football ground gets locked up and play the games behind closed doors in the normal stadiums. Which I don’t think is practicable.

 

[s4-blade]

West Ham wanting to disinfect grass. Now Brighton lying about having players testing positive. These scumbags really will do anything to stop this restart.

Relegate them then.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

The Premier League is a members organisation and each club holds one share.

To make any changes to any of the rules a two thirds majority is required (14 out of 20)

If 14 clubs or more vote for the same scenario to end the season in whatever way they deem best I'm struggling to see how any of those most adversely affected can have any recourse to law to resolve their dissatisfactions.

They knew the rules at the start of the season, they signed up to the rules when they achieved PL status, the same rules apply to everyone, and the league will have acted within it's constitutions.

I'm also guessing that there are clauses in the membership agreement precluding them from resorting to legal action against the league. These may well be deemed to be unfair but even if they are it still doesn't mean that they have any basis for action if the PL acts within the rules they signed up to.

A simplistic view but it's how I see things although I do accept that today's nothing is my fault, everything is someone's fault, everybody must be equal litigious society will find something inherently unfair about it.

I may be completely off here, but can the FA not pull rank on the Premier League?

 

[Worksop II]

I may be completely off here, but can the FA not pull rank on the Premier League?

Nah, different bunch all together, the fact the FA want to host PL matches at Wembley and St Georges shows who holds the whip hand

The FA just want some money from somewhere, and the PL have some ..... the FA have fuck all to pay their mortgage

 

[s4-blade]

I may be completely off here, but can the FA not pull rank on the Premier League?

Yeah they can. The FA have already confirmed they will not allow null and void or a no relegation scenario.

 

[Harry's Game]

Glenn Fucking Murray has been licking doorknobs for 7 weeks..

Makes a change from windows for him.

 

[8lade]

But without multi millions of pounds to cloud the issue, that decision will be made, using common sense and due perspective of the health and welfare of everyone involved, versus simply fulfilling fixtures.

You're missing a huge factor here, there is no point in Leagues 1 and 2 playing football as it will cost every club money without earning any revenue, it's an easy decision to make. There is no point playing tier 3 &4 even if it is safe, by fulfilling the fixtures they are jeopardising the clubs financial futures. The top 2 leagues earn the money to keep them going through TV rights.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

Yeah they can. The FA have already confirmed they will not allow null and void or a no relegation scenario.

In which case Maidenhead , I stand by my original post - other than to say the FA needs to take control and remove the decision of relegation from the Premier League and its voting members.

 

[Niceguyeddie]

All of the bottom six teams with a chance of going down will be against a restart, because they know if it doesn’t happen, there’ll be no relegations at all.

Even if it gets the go ahead, I can see those same teams trying to derail the fixtures by any means possible, Karen Bradys probably got a freezer full of bat burgers, ready for an impromptu team BBQ round at hers.

If it doesn't happen then its ppg and three of them go down

 

[Davalon]

If the Bundesliga starts and other European league look like following the PL will panic and move heaven and earth to restart.

 

[Maidenhead]

In which case Maidenhead , I stand by my original post - other than to say the FA needs to take control and remove the decision of relegation from the Premier League and its voting members.

To be fair I wasn't disagreeing with you, I was merely musing over the wider situation.

 

[Maidenhead]

I may be completely off here, but can the FA not pull rank on the Premier League?

If the FA do have a "golden share" that enables them to pull rank over a membership organisation then I would support any club, including West Ham!!!, that wanted to test the legality and take them to court as it shouldn't be like that.

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

The simple way to mitigate that is tell them it will be decided on points per game and relegation will still apply. The Three teams scheduled to finish bottom three would immediately do a 180 and join the clubs voting to restart.

I'd go one step further and call their bluff.
Brighton are doing what they are doing because they'll stay up in a situation of as-is position, or PPG.
If the prem said you can elect to have ppg or play your games, they'd suddenly decide to play, because there then is chance their 2 point advantage isn't enough.
Very weasly behaviour. If they dont want to be in a competition they should take up another hobby.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

. The top 2 leagues earn the money to keep them going through TV rights.

Championship doesn't make money full stop. The TV deal is nothing. Last year most our income was on the gate.

 

[Maidenhead]

I'd go one step further and call their bluff.
Brighton are doing what they are doing because they'll stay up in a situation of as-is position, or PPG.
If the prem said you can elect to have ppg or play your games, they'd suddenly decide to play, because there then is chance their 2 point advantage isn't enough.
Very weasly behaviour. If they dont want to be in a competition they should take up another hobby.

That's not going to happen though.

Whatever they decide it will be the same for everyone. There's no way that individual clubs can choose to stick at ppg whilst others play to try and overtake them.

On that basis, as you say, Brighton prefer to stick because they are safe.

 

[s4-blade]

Remember the idea a few weeks ago about quarantining teams at St. George’s park for two weeks then playing all the games there in a tournament format.
What was up with that? I can’t see a fault at all.

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

That's not going to happen though.

Whatever they decide it will be the same for everyone. There's no way that individual clubs can choose to stick at ppg whilst others play to try and overtake them.

On that basis, as you say, Brighton prefer to stick because they are safe.

If theg elect ppg they aren't safe, as Villa would elect to play in the hope of catching them.
I don't think it will happen, just an option when my complete dictatorship of all facets of life begins next week.

 

[hidesbehindapseudonym]

There will be more than 6 imo.

 

[Maidenhead]

If theg elect ppg they aren't safe, as Villa would elect to play in the hope of catching them.
I don't think it will happen, just an option when my complete dictatorship of all facets of life begins next week.

You're missing the point.

There won't be a choice.

It's all play or no one play so Villa couldn't opt to do something different to catch them.

The bottom 3 will be desperate to play if it's confirmed that relegation will apply whatever the outcome, whereas the next 4,5 or 6 above them would be very happy to not play and call it a day right now.

Brighton are in that next group up.

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

You're missing the point.

There won't be a choice.

It's all play or no one play so Villa couldn't opt to do something different to catch them.

The bottom 3 will be desperate to play if it's confirmed that relegation will apply whatever the outcome, whereas the next 4,5 or 6 above them would be very happy to not play and call it a day right now.

Brighton are in that next group up.

No I'm not. I said it wont happen.
Brighton are being twats because they in the safe group in ppg / end now scenario.

 

[YES Blade]

You're missing a huge factor here, there is no point in Leagues 1 and 2 playing football as it will cost every club money without earning any revenue, it's an easy decision to make. There is no point playing tier 3 &4 even if it is safe, by fulfilling the fixtures they are jeopardising the clubs financial futures. The top 2 leagues earn the money to keep them going through TV rights.

It’s the only option the clubs at that level have and it should hopefully ensure their survival with a little help from the Premier League.

It’s the staff and out of contract players at those clubs I feel sorry for. It’s going to be a tough few months (if not longer) ahead trying to make ends meet.

 

[1889]

If it doesn't happen then its ppg and three of them go down

I Just can’t believe that they’ll relegate teams on PPG.

More likely West Brom & Leeds come up and 22 team EPL next season, then five go down.

If that wasn’t the consensus of opinion, I think the teams in the relegation spots wouldn’t be trying to engineer such a solution

 

[munksyb]

Well Known Member

So Basically

The bottom 6 clubs rule the roost

The Premier League who's teams already think there are too many games will have even more games

The Championship is either reduced to 22 teams, therefore less income

or League 1 & League 2 (if they still exist) will have to restructure all to accomodate 3 premier league teams who want to cheat the system

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

The Stand Off
If you end the season now & relegate on current position or points per game or other formula. Then three teams lose out as they are relegated. And, 17 teams lose out as they are not playing "just for TV" games to pay for the Lambos in the Car Park. That is a Lose Lose situation.
To create a Win, you have to play games for revenue. If 14 clubs are on that side of the stand off, they can vote in the new rules.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

I do not want any Club to win the league, qualify for Europe, or be relegated artificially.
Current position. Points per game. Games at neutral venues. On a ploughed field outside Burton on Trent, Doctors picking teams based on some snot. Are all clearly artificial. And, I'd also argue so are games behind closed doors.
I want clubs to win the league, qualify for Europe, and be relegated by FOOTBALL (as we know it)
Somehow .... make it work ... wait for Football

 

[247Blade]

I Just can’t believe that they’ll relegate teams on PPG.

More likely West Brom & Leeds come up and 22 team EPL next season, then five go down.

If that wasn’t the consensus of opinion, I think the teams in the relegation spots wouldn’t be trying to engineer such a solution

Nowt fair about that idea either ... 5 relegated no way!

 

[Bruce Wayne]

3 teams will be relegated no matter how much they kick and scream. They either fight it out on the football pitch or accept PPG.

 

[8lade]

Championship doesn't make money full stop. The TV deal is nothing. Last year most our income was on the gate.

Fair enough it's a minute amount to most Championship teams but they are linked by virtue of supplying promoted teams and taking relegated teams. If the EPL decided to take 3 clubs from the SPL this year instead, they would become more important than the Championship (thus where relegated clubs goes doesn't really matter except by the current rules).