Be very careful what you say...

[wadblade]

That fella the MP punched had his hands in his pockets, that's got to be assault?

It's opened a can of worms, at the cost of his career and split opinion on weather you can or can't punch somebody in the face, it's a 50/50 split where I work saying you shouldn't / Should get prison, it's not self defence from the MP.. that's jail time in my opinion.

is it jail time foe everyone and did he have previous are the questions i ask?

 

[wadblade]

Compared to a 56 year old woman with no criminal record in jail for two and half years for a comment on Twitter madness!

your right I take it she was part of the Wath debcale

 

[Freethinker]

your right I take it she was part of the Wath debcale

Not sure mate something to do with the unrest at the time,we all say things at some point when caught up in the anger, not sure prison is appropriate.

 

[Nickydblade]

Sigh, usual suspects at it again.

Steve (not his real name) himself claims to have become more aware and reflected on his behaviour:


If you read the article then the experience and reaction of some fans having to listen to homophobic chanting should make anyone reflect. My own brother, and his husband, say they will never go to football again. I’ve told them things have changed but perhaps reading this thread they may be right.

The severity of Steve’s punishment and nuances of the intentions and words used are all up for reasonable debate. However, for those citing ‘hurty words’ or Stalinism surely you extend this to all categories such as…

The recent monkey chants at our neighbours (and perhaps the other ‘bad things’ a minority of then have done) or the racial abuse Didzy et al received should be ignored as ‘hurty words’? There is a free speech absolutist case to be made if you are consistent, but if not you may reflect why it’s ok to target one group of people but not another.

 

[Kryten]

I'm confused, am I still allowed to drink someones beer and shag their Mrs and if so can I tell other people rather loudly? If I can't I'm going home with my ball then!

 

[Nick Jansky]

I'm confused, am I still allowed to drink someones beer and shag their Mrs and if so can I tell other people rather loudly? If I can't I'm going home with my ball then!

I think everyone can still be as oafish a twat as they want to be. The choice is still there as long as they are happy to accept consequences. If they aren’t, well, poor little snowflakes.

 

[Fjortoft's Aeroplane]

I'm confused, am I still allowed to drink someones beer and shag their Mrs and if so can I tell other people rather loudly? If I can't I'm going home with my ball then!

In modern society I think we must declare we are willing to shag both their women and men so as not to offend.

 

[crazyblade1889]

"Get fooked yer daft cabbage!".

Harsh

 

[HillmortonBlade]

The good news is that there can’t be anything else for plod to be doing.

 

[knowsnowt]

Uncle Susan got a £50 fine and 6 months probation for flashing her knob at a squirrel in Norfolk Park. A park ranger saw him and thwacked it with a bat.
Luckily it was overturned on appeal, as identifying as a woman meant she can't have a knob. Even if it's bigger than mine.
The park ranger got 60 hours community service and a broken bat.
Worlds gone mad.

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

If the one shout was the whole story, I'd say it is ott. Is it the whole story? I have no idea.
If they've used this because of other stuff and it was the last straw, then maybe.
It is abusive, no doubt, but I'm not comfortable with this type of legal action for behaviour that is unsavoury.

 

[GreasyChipBeattie]

Sex workers can often, but not always, separate professional sex from personal sex.

I imagine - having never been a rent boy, honestly - it's a bit like being an actor and kissing another actor on screen and then going home and kissing your loving husband/wife.

Not sure it's that different mate.
I'm pretty sure when me and the Mrs are enjoying a bit of rumpy pumpy, she's only acting!

 

[FatPaul]

Words change meaning all the time, south park did a fantastic episode about this with a bunch of Harley riders.

I miss when Southpark episodes felt outlandish, now it feels like we're living in an absurd episode.

 

[Isaw Joeshaw]

I know online and what not the origin of the chant is said to be aimed at Chelsea fans because of the area, when in reality the chant first started in the 80s after one of the main Chelsea hooligans was caught in bed with a rent boy in a police dawn raid which made the newspapers. It was then started as a hooligan chant by some teams directed at Chelsea’s hooligan mob and quickly spread to normal fans.

Given that this started in the 80’s , can you confirm or otherwise that it is still ok to chant “ You’re gonna get your fucking heads kicked in “ to them .

 

[bornablade]

In the late 1970's I was living in South Wales and played football for a club in the Pembrokeshire league.

Due to my accent and county of birth I was referred to as 'Yorkie' by my team mates. Was I offended? No way. Being a proud Yorkehireman I accepted this name with 100% approval.

The term 'Yorkie' sounds like the name 'P...' often given to those from a large country in Asia. Instead of accepting this name with pride it's treated as a 'racial hate crime'.

Now it could be argued that things were different in the 1970's but if today I was given a name that was linked to my place of origin then I would treat it as badge of honour.

 

[Servigliano]

When/if we next play Brighton does that mean we can no longer chant -
"Does your boyfriend, does your boyfriend, does your boyfriend know you're here etc. etc."
Just asking for a female friend.
Tip. If you sing that and plod intervenes, simply say the chant was aimed solely at female Brighton supporters.

 

[Dougie]

The term 'Yorkie' sounds like the name 'P...' often given to those from a large country in Asia. Instead of accepting this name with pride it's treated as a 'racial hate crime'.

Please tell me that comparison is satire.

 

[FinchleyBlade]

The UK is an dystopian joke of a country. Would be funny if not so incredibly authoritarian.

Tweets and words are deemed greater dangers and threats than actual physical violence.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Please tell me that comparison is satire.

Or somewhere it’s still 1970?

 

[utd4ever]

Said all along, you bow to the marginalised weirdos you end up with a broken society.

Don’t know about anyone on here but when you get a talking to for carrying a knife or locked up for hurty words you know things are broken.

 

[I should coco]

Given that this started in the 80’s , can you confirm or otherwise that it is still ok to chant “ You’re gonna get your fucking heads kicked in “ to them .

As someone without a head, I find your post highly offensive.

 

[Dkc]

Wonder when we'll be banned from referreing to our neighbours as 'pigs'. Very insulting if you're from certain religions.

Is there a panel somewhere that defines what is and isn't permissable?

Imo 'rent boy' is pretty tame. It's not so much a gay slur as implying someone's a prostitute.

Calling a woman a 'whore' isn't nice, but it's not a slur directed at straight women, it's more an accusation of loose morals.

 

[Chimpan-A]

In the late 1970's I was living in South Wales and played football for a club in the Pembrokeshire league.

Due to my accent and county of birth I was referred to as 'Yorkie' by my team mates. Was I offended? No way. Being a proud Yorkehireman I accepted this name with 100% approval.

The term 'Yorkie' sounds like the name 'P...' often given to those from a large country in Asia. Instead of accepting this name with pride it's treated as a 'racial hate crime'.

Now it could be argued that things were different in the 1970's but if today I was given a name that was linked to my place of origin then I would treat it as badge of honour.

Really? Are you really making that comparison? Was your nickname related to years of prejudice and hatred in Wales for people from Yorkshire, and used against people irrespective of where they come from due to having the same skin tone? Was “Yorker Bashing” a thing in South Wales?

 

[100% part time blade]

What I find interesting is football chants are designed to be offensive. That’s pretty much the whole point of them - to make opposition fans upset and feel shit, justified by the chanters’ claim that the opposition fans probably just sang one in an effort to have exactly the same impact on them.
Everything from “1-0”, to “Place x is a shithole: I wanna go home” to “You’re fucking shit”, etc. etc. is all designed to wind the opponents up and offend.
Some chants are fairly universally agreed to be too offensive (chants about the deaths of specific players, or fans; racist chants etc.) and they’re roundly condemned - and even punished if individuals are identified (either by the courts, the clubs, or by the far worse trial of mass social media shaming).
Then in between there’s this shifting ground of how offensive it’s ok to be, and what the consequence should be for going too far.
I don’t think there’s ever been some mythical time when you could say whatever you wanted about anyone or anything else, and there would be no consequences - either social or legal: today’s ‘woke’ accusation is just a rebranding of the accusation of earlier decades of ‘political correctness gone mad’.

 

[Nickydblade]

What I find interesting is football chants are designed to be offensive. That’s pretty much the whole point of them - to make opposition fans upset and feel shit, justified by the chanters’ claim that the opposition fans probably just sang one in an effort to have exactly the same impact on them.
Everything from “1-0”, to “Place x is a shithole: I wanna go home” to “You’re fucking shit”, etc. etc. is all designed to wind the opponents up and offend.
Some chants are fairly universally agreed to be too offensive (chants about the deaths of specific players, or fans; racist chants etc.) and they’re roundly condemned - and even punished if individuals are identified (either by the courts, the clubs, or by the far worse trial of mass social media shaming).
Then in between there’s this shifting ground of how offensive it’s ok to be, and what the consequence should be for going too far.
I don’t think there’s ever been some mythical time when you could say whatever you wanted about anyone or anything else, and there would be no consequences - either social or legal: today’s ‘woke’ accusation is just a rebranding of the accusation of earlier decades of ‘political correctness gone mad’.

You take it given that some ‘words’ are too offensive e.g, racism or tragedy chanting (whereas some others either do not, but are too scared to say so, or have such a limited understanding of language and society that they equate something like ‘Yorkie’ with outdated racially motivated slurs).

However it was not always the case and the apparently ‘universally agreed’ opposition to racist chanting has been negotiated and debated over time. Obviously. I agree that now mainstream football culture has decided it is not acceptable.

Can I ask you directly, do you think is it still acceptable for mainstream football culture to use homophobic chanting? A simple yes or no will suffice. For anyone else concerned about chanting about ‘pigs’ or ‘shitholes’ or some other insult fans often use, I would ask the same simple question.

 

[Nickydblade]

Wonder when we'll be banned from referreing to our neighbours as 'pigs'. Very insulting if you're from certain religions.

Is there a panel somewhere that defines what is and isn't permissable?

Imo 'rent boy' is pretty tame. It's not so much a gay slur as implying someone's a prostitute.

Calling a woman a 'whore' isn't nice, but it's not a slur directed at straight women, it's more an accusation of loose morals.

There is an official ‘panel’ and that leads to legislation about things like protected characteristics including race and sexuality. It doesn’t mean it is ‘correct’ of course and I’m sure some would like racist, or other types of chanting, to be subject to freedom of speech. We are of course in the storm of a culture war about this sort of thing at the moment. Another ‘panel’ is mainstream fan opinion including things like this thread which clearly shows differences of opinion.

Are you claiming that you should be able to use ‘rent boy’ as a chant because in your own opinion it is ‘tame’? A simple yes or no will suffice.

Are you claiming that you should be able to chant ‘whore..’ at a (straight, for some reason) female player or fan? Again a simple reply would be appreciated.

 

[Nickydblade]

Said all along, you bow to the marginalised weirdos you end up with a broken society.

Don’t know about anyone on here but when you get a talking to for carrying a knife or locked up for hurty words you know things are broken.

I agree knife crime is very concerning and how we respond to it is something we need as a society to change.

Do the ‘marginalised weirdos’ include those who challenged racist chanting in the past? Can I ask you directly, are ‘hurty words’ that are racially motivated acceptable to you? A simple yes or no will suffice.

 

[Nickydblade]

The UK is an dystopian joke of a country. Would be funny if not so incredibly authoritarian.

Tweets and words are deemed greater dangers and threats than actual physical violence.

The balance concerning free speech is very difficult. What examples of physical violence do you mean that is not treated as a danger?

Do you think it is a dystopian, authoritarian joke that, say, monkey chants in a football matches or racist tweets directed at players are condemned, and perhaps followed up by legal action?

 

[Nickydblade]

When/if we next play Brighton does that mean we can no longer chant -
"Does your boyfriend, does your boyfriend, does your boyfriend know you're here etc. etc."
Just asking for a female friend.
Tip. If you sing that and plod intervenes, simply say the chant was aimed solely at female Brighton supporters.

When / if we play Bradford next…

Tip. If you sing it and plod intervenes simply say the chant was aimed solely at Pakistani Bradford supporters.

Just asking for a racist friend.

Lol. Bantz innit.

 

[Nickydblade]

Given that this started in the 80’s , can you confirm or otherwise that it is still ok to chant “ You’re gonna get your fucking heads kicked in “ to them .

I don’t think that would fall under protected characteristics so legally I assume you are Ok .

However I rarely hear it these days so mainstream football culture seems to have decided that some things popular in the 80s are less fashionable and the culture has changed.