Project Restart - Hoping for 8th June

[8lade]

Championship doesn't make money full stop. The TV deal is nothing. Last year most our income was on the gate.

So I had a look at United's income from the last 2 seasons 'Broadcasting' turnover amounted to 7.8 and 8.3 million each year, I know we had become popular so not every club would be getting those sums but it is still a sizeable percentage of the overall 20 and 20.9 million revenues.

 

[Davalon]

I do not want any Club to win the league, qualify for Europe, or be relegated artificially.
Current position. Points per game. Games at neutral venues. On a ploughed field outside Burton on Trent, Doctors picking teams based on some snot. Are all clearly artificial. And, I'd also argue so are games behind closed doors.
I want clubs to win the league, qualify for Europe, and be relegated by FOOTBALL (as we know it)
Somehow .... make it work ... wait for Football

How long?

 

[Harrisblade]

I do not want any Club to win the league, qualify for Europe, or be relegated artificially.
Current position. Points per game. Games at neutral venues. On a ploughed field outside Burton on Trent, Doctors picking teams based on some snot. Are all clearly artificial. And, I'd also argue so are games behind closed doors.
I want clubs to win the league, qualify for Europe, and be relegated by FOOTBALL (as we know it)
Somehow .... make it work ... wait for Football

There's nothing artificial about football behind closed doors.
The vast majority of football is played without any crowds but there's nothing 'artificial' about it in any way.
Even Pro football behind closed doors is in no way 'artificial' - it's just annoying to those members of the public who want to watch it.
If it's on tv it's even less of a problem.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

How long?

I appreciate what you're asking & how you're asking it. And I understand some posters will be satisfied with FakeBall. And, that's their choice. Just as it would be if they chose the NFL over the EPL. Good luck to them. But, me, no. These are Crazy Times, let's not make it worse & invent a new artificial end to Proper Football. As long as it takes.....
By all means, play a new league, the Lockdown League, 3 thirds of 20 minutes, rolling subs, infra red temperature cameras to replace VAR, Snot Analysis, behind closed doors, in Dubai, whatever it takes, suck some TV Revenue in with That Show. By all means. But, distinguish it from proper Football. Let's wait for that...

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

There's nothing artificial about football behind closed doors.
The vast majority of football is played without any crowds but there's nothing 'artificial' about it in any way.
Even Pro football behind closed doors is in no way 'artificial' - it's just annoying to those members of the public who want to watch it.
If it's on tv it's even less of a problem.

I understand your position. I go to an awful lot of Small Football, played on parks, by players for just the enjoyment & the sheer pleasure of competing & winning. But, this is a Sheffield United Forum. Sheffield United playing on a neutral ground, behind closed doors, for a European place is completely artificial.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

So I had a look at United's income from the last 2 seasons 'Broadcasting' turnover amounted to 7.8 and 8.3 million each year, I know we had become popular so not every club would be getting those sums but it is still a sizeable percentage of the overall 20 and 20.9 million revenues.

Yes and we'd still have lost about ten million before the bonuses for promotion made it look worse. As it was we lost about 20 million. And that's including selling brooks. And we had a low budget in the championship. In other words... championship clubs are in big trouble.

 

[8lade]

Yes and we'd still have lost about ten million before the bonuses for promotion made it look worse. As it was we lost about 20 million. And that's including selling brooks. And we had a low budget in the championship. In other words... championship clubs are in big trouble.

Absolutely true, of course now is the time that clubs who have budgeted appropriately as United did, (we have used player sales to balance the books for as long as I can remember, as painful and wrong as it seems to some fans) shall now have an advantage. Of the others they will be hamstrung with debt, if that means Burton or the like join us in the EPL in a season's time football will be the more interesting for it.

 

[Addison]

This article probably best explains the extent of the opposition to restart and the views of the remaining 14 clubs who are not part of the self interest six.

Premier League giants to try and strong arm strugglers into finishing season

All 20 Premier League clubs will meet on Monday - and the big six will warn of the long-term damage that would be caused if the season does not restart

www.mirror.co.uk

 

[HammerInPeace]

I Just can’t believe that they’ll relegate teams on PPG.
More likely West Brom & Leeds come up and 22 team EPL next season, then five go down.

Even that would be seriously unfair on someone who finished 3rd to 6th in the Champ.
Whatever happens, we're not now going to have the season that we were, going to have.
What a fuck up, it really all is.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

It appears there are 8 clubs in opposition to neutral venues being used.

Seems project restart is unlikely to get off the ground...

 

[saintquin]

What about stopping this season now then start next season with all the clubs on the points they've got now.
At least this seasons points will have an effect.
Not saying it's a good idea, just another way of doing it!

 

[Magic hat FC]

What about stopping this season now then start next season with all the clubs on the points they've got now.
At least this seasons points will have an effect.
Not saying it's a good idea, just another way of doing it!

Unless they void the points for the round of fixtures we are in hand.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Unless they void the points for the round of fixtures we are in hand.

I think he means just add the unplayed fixtures from this season to next season and have a 47 game season.

 

[Harry's Game]

What about stopping this season now then start next season with all the clubs on the points they've got now.
At least this seasons points will have an effect.
Not saying it's a good idea, just another way of doing it!

if Clubs didn’t have wages and utility bills to pay a 12 months pause and resume in March 2021 with all leagues as they were it would be a good idea, unfortunately they do.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

if Clubs didn’t have wages and utility bills to pay a 12 months pause and resume in March 2021 with all leagues as they were it would be a good idea, unfortunately they do.

Just do what half the country is doing, cancel all direct debits and pretend this is a dream.

 

[Niceguyeddie]

I Just can’t believe that they’ll relegate teams on PPG.

More likely West Brom & Leeds come up and 22 team EPL next season, then five go down.

If that wasn’t the consensus of opinion, I think the teams in the relegation spots wouldn’t be trying to engineer such a solution

Wish people would stop regurgitating this nonsense ,it was pit forward by Brighton latched on to by Leeds and is now repeated by anyone in the media to lazy to form their own idea

 

[Mumbo]

Yeah agreed, but the EPL don’t have the balls to do that.

Lets face it this restart is all about money, TV money is what drives the game at the highest level and they‘ll want to see the matches they’ve paid for or their money back. Plus, the financial consequences associated with relegation and European qualification, are astronomical. If those matters are decided by any means other than by playing actual football, the governing bodies know there will be a litigious free for all, that could disrupt the game for years to come.

if proof were needed, look at League 1 & 2, there’s no way they will finish their season and ironically they are the sides who can ill afford to lose revenue. But without multi millions of pounds to cloud the issue, that decision will be made, using common sense and due perspective of the health and welfare of everyone involved, versus simply fulfilling fixtures.

I’m not sure why linking football with money seems to be a bit of a slur on football when money is the main reason why most people on the planet will have to go back to work soon.
The fact is if there is no vaccine sooner rather than later then I’m afraid we will have to live with the risk of infection or face mass unemployment with all it’s implications.

 

[Tarqs]

Wish people would stop regurgitating this nonsense ,it was pit forward by Brighton latched on to by Leeds and is now repeated by anyone in the media to lazy to form their own idea

And the same clubs that have suggested this nonsense will be the same clubs that were clamouring for a winter break as fixture lists were too congested.

 

[Niceguyeddie]

And the same clubs that have suggested this nonsense will be the same clubs that were clamouring for a winter break as fixture lists were too congested.

Its going to bite them on the are ,they were talking about this onnthw Sunday supplement yesterday and the feeling is certain clubs are trying to get a vote against neutral venues so that when it stops the season restarting they will drop the other 3 in the shit by voting for points per game
So the 3 relegated clubs will have effectively cut their own throat and will have to explain to their own fans why ? Wouldn't really help them in any possible legal action either

 

[TJB.]

The government have given the green light for the Premier League to restart behind closed doors from 1st June at the earliest. Obviously still need a consensus from the member clubs as to how that moves forward.

 

[Roygbiv]

The Premier League can return next month, government announces

Football in the UK has been shut down indefinitely in the wake of the coronavirus pandemic

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Tezza1889]

The government have given the green light for the Premier League to restart behind closed doors from 1st June at the earliest. Obviously still need a consensus from the member clubs as to how that moves forward.

Any player saying they have Cv19 should be recorded injured and sent to isolate till the end of the season, it must be played out to the end, if a player isn't fit, it never stopped us before.. Any team saying the dressing room is rife wants fining because they haven't obeyed the leagues isolation rules..

The situation is the same for the whole division, and look at the lawsuits getting drafted in France already, it's got to be played, those not wanting to forfeit thier outstanding games. Simple..

 

[FriethBlade]

So it's a question of where do they play, neutral grounds or not? Surely it will be and if the clubs who vote against this are all in the bottom half it will be very clear as to why they voted against !

Let's hope the German resumption goes without a hitch

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

Any player saying they have Cv19 should be recorded injured and sent to isolate till the end of the season, it must be played out to the end, if a player isn't fit, it never stopped us before.. Any team saying the dressing room is rife wants fining because they haven't obeyed the leagues isolation rules..

The situation is the same for the whole division, and look at the lawsuits getting drafted in France already, it's got to be played, those not wanting to forfeit thier outstanding games. Simple..

The difference is .... you can't catch a tight calf muscle from a team mate.

 

[Varkanoid]

Step two of that plan - which will not be allowed to start before 1 June - includes "permitting cultural and sporting events to take place behind closed doors for broadcast, while avoiding the risk of large-scale social contact".

The document states that reopening venues that attract large crowds, such as sports grounds, "may only be fully possible significantly later depending on the reduction in numbers of infections".

Premier League clubs are meeting on Monday to continue discussions on Project Restart.

The government's current aim is to introduce step two on 1 June but only if sufficient progress is made in "successfully controlling the spread of the virus" and the lifting of restrictions could be delayed.

So basically pointing towards the Government allowing it now the ball is back into the PL court.

 

[Tezza1889]

The difference is .... you can't catch a tight calf muscle from a team mate.

Yep mate, but if you give him cv19 you haven't taken the responsibility of his welfare seriously have you, them players, all of them including ours will have been left in no doubt about thier responsibilities..

This is like the furloughed bloke suddenly calling in sick when he gets requested to return to work..

I'd take three points off them for not following guidelines, and putting other clubs welfare and the Premier league in jeopardy..

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

Yep mate, but if you give him cv19 you haven't taken the responsibility of his welfare seriously have you, them players, all of them including ours will have been left in no doubt about thier responsibilities..

This is like the furloughed bloke suddenly calling in sick when he gets requested to return to work..

I'd take three points off them for not following guidelines, and putting other clubs welfare and the Premier league in jeopardy..

Can you clarify please. You're proposing to deduct three points off each team for every player they have who tests positive for Covid-19. So, an outbreak at Shirecliffe would see Utd relegated? I must be misunderstanding. Please help me out.

 

[bartman]

The difference is .... you can't catch a tight calf muscle from a team mate.

Testing will be carried out on players at least once a week by clubs during traininf3 It wouldnt surprise me if this was 2-3 days before the game and players are then sent to hotels. If they are clear of the virus they can play. If not they will sent away to isolate. They will then will most likely be tested 1-2 days after the game . There will be more chance if the players catching the virus at hone than during the game but the players will regularly tested.

I know you havent mentioned this but i cant see any logical reason why games would have to be played on neutral grounds as inside the grounds will be sealed off to the public and how many fans would actually turn up when they wont be able to see the players

 

[CaptainMorgans]

Yep mate, but if you give him cv19 you haven't taken the responsibility of his welfare seriously have you, them players, all of them including ours will have been left in no doubt about thier responsibilities..

This is like the furloughed bloke suddenly calling in sick when he gets requested to return to work..

I'd take three points off them for not following guidelines, and putting other clubs welfare and the Premier league in jeopardy..

Please do continue...

 

[Tezza1889]

Can you clarify please. You're proposing to deduct three points off each team for every player they have who tests positive for Covid-19. So, an outbreak at Shirecliffe would see Utd relegated? I must be misunderstanding. Please help me out.

The points deduction would be a deterrent, I'm talking about abuse of the situation, without going full tilt into cv19 I'd guess were dealing with those least likely to have serious issues from the virus because of thier age and physical fitness, I'm also going on the fact that they've all had much more than the recommended 14 day isolation period just like me, so if they suddenly chuck away all that hard work and get cv19 before the restart then the club would register them with an injury rather than hold a knife to the throat of the rest of the teams...

3 points for any team with a player who's recklessly gone about his bussines and not followed government guidelines, including our team.. They'd only pull the cv19 card once, if at all...

Note, everybody is claiming the Brighton situation is an attempt to cancel the season, therefore staving off the threat of relegation. Whenever it's open to interpretation without consequence, they'll manipulate to thier own ends..