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GymClassHero said:
I agree tbh. Whilst I'm glad he's moving on, I feel he did his best for us.

Was also refreshing to see us get proper transfer fees for youth etc rather than selling to the first bidder.
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There's zero chance of this happening.
 

Any success we've had since the Prince took over is despite him, not because of him.

The only reason we've progressed as a club since the he came on board is because of one man: Chris Wilder. And it was McCabe who drove that appointment.

Wilder is the one who dragged us into the Premier League despite having a midtable Championship budget. He's the one who kept us there for a season despite having the smallest budget in the league. He got us into this parachute payment yo-yo, which means we now have huge financial advantages over the rest of the Championship.

Even when we did go down, Heckingbottom managed to drag us up again despite the absolute chaos behind the scenes: transfer bans, points deductions, cost cutting, then the Prince cashing in on our best players after we went up.

Even the transfer fees we have received for players - which people seem to be happiest about - were just the going market rate. Every other club in the top two divisions received fees similar to the ones we got for the likes of Ndiaye, Berge and Osula. They're just the going rate nowadays.

So what's his legacy? What can you actually say he has been directly responsible for? Because it certainly isn't our on-the-pitch success. That land we bought at Dore maybe. The fan zone. Reopening the hotel that we already owned. Fuck me. What a legacy. The sooner he fucks off the better.
 
Carlton Blade said:
As with all owners who don't bankrupt the club or put billions in, 🤷‍♂️

Some good, some bad. The 1st team success papered over the cracks but he spent all the money the club had and apart from the ill fated United World project, spent it on the club.

Bye, keep smiling you charismatic devil

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I don't know what you mean.

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But in all seriousness, his gormless face is one of the Carltonisms that I'll miss the most.
 
Proper Blade said:
Any success we've had since the Prince took over is despite him, not because of him.

The only reason we've progressed as a club since the he came on board is because of one man: Chris Wilder. And it was McCabe who drove that appointment.

Wilder is the one who dragged us into the Premier League despite having a midtable Championship budget. He's the one who kept us there for a season despite having the smallest budget in the league. He got us into this parachute payment yo-yo, which means we now have huge financial advantages over the rest of the Championship.

Even when we did go down, Heckingbottom managed to drag us up again despite the absolute chaos behind the scenes: transfer bans, points deductions, cost cutting, then the Prince cashing in on our best players after we went up.

Even the transfer fees we have received for players - which people seem to be happiest about - were just the going market rate. Every other club in the top two divisions received fees similar to the ones we got for the likes of Ndiaye, Berge and Osula. They're just the going rate nowadays.

So what's his legacy? What can you actually say he has been directly responsible for? Because it certainly isn't our on-the-pitch success. That land we bought at Dore maybe. The fan zone. Reopening the hotel that we already owned. Fuck me. What a legacy. The sooner he fucks off the better.
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Going back to the Transfer fees, that is one area the Prince has been all over McCabe.

When we had McCabe as soon as big clubs came along low balling us with offers for out best players, McCabe took the bait. We criminally undersold plenty.
 
Proper Blade said:
Any success we've had since the Prince took over is despite him, not because of him.

The only reason we've progressed as a club since the he came on board is because of one man: Chris Wilder. And it was McCabe who drove that appointment.

Wilder is the one who dragged us into the Premier League despite having a midtable Championship budget. He's the one who kept us there for a season despite having the smallest budget in the league. He got us into this parachute payment yo-yo, which means we now have huge financial advantages over the rest of the Championship.

Even when we did go down, Heckingbottom managed to drag us up again despite the absolute chaos behind the scenes: transfer bans, points deductions, cost cutting, then the Prince cashing in on our best players after we went up.

Even the transfer fees we have received for players - which people seem to be happiest about - were just the going market rate. Every other club in the top two divisions received fees similar to the ones we got for the likes of Ndiaye, Berge and Osula. They're just the going rate nowadays.

So what's his legacy? What can you actually say he has been directly responsible for? Because it certainly isn't our on-the-pitch success. That land we bought at Dore maybe. The fan zone. Reopening the hotel that we already owned. Fuck me. What a legacy. The sooner he fucks off the better.
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If Hecky and Wilder are such fantastic managers that can achieve success against all odds, why aren’t they managing at a higher level? Why have they had a mixture of success and failure in other jobs?

If the Prince was such a bad owner that was consistently undermining the manager season upon season, there is no way we would’ve had the success we’ve achieved. They are good managers, but not that good!
 
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YES Blade said:
If Hecky and Wilder are such fantastic managers that can achieve success against all odds, why aren’t they managing at a higher level? Why have they had a mixture of success and failure in other jobs?

If the Prince was such a bad owner that was consistently undermining the manager season upon season, there is no way we would’ve had the success we’ve achieved. They are good managers, but not that good!
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Chris Wilder did a fantastic job to get us to the PL. With the owners backing (including Kevin McCabe). PL2 Wilder had PA’s backing and look what happened. If CW deserves all the plaudits for successes, he should take the blame for failures. Them’s Proper Blades rules. Hecky was totally underfunded and PA’s gamble luckily paid off. The lack of funds was down to the huge spending, for us, for PL2. That’s why we had no money and why we got a points deduction.

PA has overseen two PL promotions. Yet he’s useless apparently. But, he brought Wilder back - not everyone including me - agreed and look where we are. Reyt shit eh?

Some people need to learn about joined up thinking.
 

Sean Thornton said:
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Chris Wilder did a fantastic job to get us to the PL. With the owners backing (including Kevin McCabe). PL2 Wilder had PA’s backing and look what happened. If CW deserves all the plaudits for successes, he should take the blame for failures. Them’s Proper Blades rules. Hecky was totally underfunded and PA’s gamble luckily paid off. The lack of funds was down to the huge spending, for us, for PL2. That’s why we had no money and why we got a points deduction.

PA has overseen two PL promotions. Yet he’s useless apparently. But, he brought Wilder back - not everyone including me - agreed and look where we are. Reyt shit eh?

Some people need to learn about joined up thinking.
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We went badly wrong between PL1 & PL2.
Losing JoC and failing to replace him.
Signed Brewster instead of a CB & MF.
Let Lundstram get away with shit attitude.

Apart from Brewster , can you remind me what big money was spent for PL2 ? I can't remember
 
Keen Blade said:
We went badly wrong between PL1 & PL2.
Losing JoC and failing to replace him.
Signed Brewster instead of a CB & MF.
Let Lundstram get away with shit attitude.

Apart from Brewster , can you remind me what big money was spent for PL2 ? I can't remember
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We couldn’t have afforded to replace JOC.

Ramsdale, Burke, Brewster, Lowe, Bogle would have meant payments during the season. We still had to pay for McBurnie and Berge.

The asset purchase and Covid (damn the Prince for that).

Cash flow is ongoing and the PL1 Profit didn’t cover the dues.
 
Keen Blade said:
We went badly wrong between PL1 & PL2.
Losing JoC and failing to replace him.
Signed Brewster instead of a CB & MF.
Let Lundstram get away with shit attitude.

Apart from Brewster , can you remind me what big money was spent for PL2 ? I can't remember
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I think he spent up to the limit we could attract to loan/borrow.
 
Sean Thornton said:
We couldn’t have afforded to replace JOC.

Ramsdale, Burke, Brewster, Lowe, Bogle would have meant payments during the season. We still had to pay for McBurnie and Berge.

The asset purchase and Covid (damn the Prince for that).

Cash flow is ongoing and the PL1 Profit didn’t cover the dues.
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So your comment about Wilder "taking the blame for failures" is the accumulated payments for those players you mention when measured against their lack of success ?
 
Keen Blade said:
So your comment about Wilder "taking the blame for failures" is the accumulated payments for those players you mention when measured against their lack of success ?
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What are you on about? I didn’t say he should take the blame.
 
Sean Thornton said:
What are you on about? I didn’t say he should take the blame.
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Your post #159

"PL2 Wilder had PA's backing and look what happened.
If CW deserves all the plaudits for successes , he should take the blame for failures"

I don't disagree at all - I was just wondering what you meant.
 

McGrath said:
Nah not for me.

Prince got lucky dropping on Wilder and has just sat back over in Beverley Hills and watched. He's now going to cash in on someone else's hard work!

If you want to know where we'd be under him without Wilder, then look at all United World clubs he in owns and how well they're doing!
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He only dropped lucky on Wilder once. Bringing him back split the fans but proved to be a great call.
 
Rodley said:
Had some fantastic times under the Prince and I will give him one thing, he drove a hard bargain when selling our players. After years of underselling, he fought our corner.

As owners go he’s a 7/10 for me. And that’s a pretty impressive score in our history and also in football ownership more generally.
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Yeah this is where I’m at as well. I’ll dock him 2 points for our own 2 point deduction (no matter what, we should never have been in a position where we couldn’t cover our liabilities with cash flow - that’s just terrible business). I’ll dock him another one point for the summer of the summer in 23/24, which basically gave us no chance of being competitive and resigned us to another horror season. So 7/10 for me as well.

But apart from that, he’s been an excellent chairman. Even second season in the Prem he backed us, the management just made woeful choices with the money.

Not sure what people want or expect but surely no one could argue the last 6-7 years haven’t been, on balance, fantastic. Some very short memories on here. Yes, the ideal chairman is a multi-billionaire blades fan who sits on the Kop every game and doesn’t mind blowing his kids’ inheritance. But it just doesn’t exist. The prince has made largely reasonable decisions on managerial appointments (Slav, Hecky, Wilder), has got fantastic value for our players, has unified the assets and bought a great training ground site, and backed us with calculated risks (some a bit close to the wind as mentioned) when it mattered, resulting in two promotions to the top flight. Compared to the group of chancers and ego-maniacs we’ve had over the last few decades, that’s pretty good. And just look down the league for examples of many current football owners who are waaaaaaay worse.

Time for a new chapter and a more modern approach. But if the prince does go now, he’ll go with my thanks.
 
Redstripe said:
He only dropped lucky on Wilder once. Bringing him back split the fans but proved to be a great call.
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Agree....it was an inspired decision especially when most of the fanbase were against it. Thought the disrespect and insults thrown in Wilders direction was pretty disgusting and says alot about those hateful people, when the facts show Wilder is probably our best manager in 50 years.

Also when you think Wilder and the Prince split on bad terms
....so it takes a special man to swallow their pride and put the club before their personal feelings....to re-hire the same man.

Admittedly he's far from perfect but overall...the facts speak for themselves....on the field he's done a good job owning us....better than any owner we've had in 50 years. Lets hope the new owners can push us to the next level starting by establishing us in the Premier league.
 
Kozzy_is_my_Dad said:
I don't know what you mean.

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But in all seriousness, his gormless face is one of the Carltonisms that I'll miss the most.
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He always has that same 'thousand yard stare' expression that Bishop Brennan had after Father Ted kicked him up the arse. I wonder if Bettis has kicked PA up the arse?

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Jon Bon II said:
He always has that same 'thousand yard stare' expression that Bishop Brennan had after Father Ted kicked him up the arse. I wonder if Bettis has kicked PA up the arse?

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The guy next to him is a dead ringer for Sammy Davies jnr too.

Can see why we signed Deano now.
 
Keen Blade said:
Your post #159

"PL2 Wilder had PA's backing and look what happened.
If CW deserves all the plaudits for successes , he should take the blame for failures"

I don't disagree at all - I was just wondering what you meant.
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It’s regarding Proper Blades post. There’s an “IF” at the beginning of the sentence and a reference to PB’s “rules” immediately after.

All about context.
 
Proper Blade said:
Any success we've had since the Prince took over is despite him, not because of him.

The only reason we've progressed as a club since the he came on board is because of one man: Chris Wilder. And it was McCabe who drove that appointment.

Wilder is the one who dragged us into the Premier League despite having a midtable Championship budget. He's the one who kept us there for a season despite having the smallest budget in the league. He got us into this parachute payment yo-yo, which means we now have huge financial advantages over the rest of the Championship.

Even when we did go down, Heckingbottom managed to drag us up again despite the absolute chaos behind the scenes: transfer bans, points deductions, cost cutting, then the Prince cashing in on our best players after we went up.

Even the transfer fees we have received for players - which people seem to be happiest about - were just the going market rate. Every other club in the top two divisions received fees similar to the ones we got for the likes of Ndiaye, Berge and Osula. They're just the going rate nowadays.

So what's his legacy? What can you actually say he has been directly responsible for? Because it certainly isn't our on-the-pitch success. That land we bought at Dore maybe. The fan zone. Reopening the hotel that we already owned. Fuck me. What a legacy. The sooner he fucks off the better.
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Well said . he has been so fortunate to have had Wilder and Hecky who between them dragged the club up buying players on short contracts and freebies . Thanks to them the little money spent was self financing thanks to promotion and parachute payments and the sale of our best players after promotion .Unfortunately for Hecky those sales and the lack of quality the poor imports which were brought in to replace them cost the man his job . What followed was embarrassing but we all knew it was going to be a pointless season with many hammerings expected and received ,we were a laughing stock of the prem . I felt for Hecky he was on a no win road . Now once again he should thank Wilder who has turned the club around once again against a backlog of uncertainty, Yes the prince should thank his lucky stars that he has Wilder back in the drivers seat and along with parachute payments the club has pulled through but without the last promotion things could be oh so different . LUCKY LUCKY MAN
 

petcharlie said:
Well said . he has been so fortunate to have had Wilder and Hecky who between them dragged the club up buying players on short contracts and freebies . Thanks to them the little money spent was self financing thanks to promotion and parachute payments and the sale of our best players after promotion .Unfortunately for Hecky those sales and the lack of quality the poor imports which were brought in to replace them cost the man his job . What followed was embarrassing but we all knew it was going to be a pointless season with many hammerings expected and received ,we were a laughing stock of the prem . I felt for Hecky he was on a no win road . Now once again he should thank Wilder who has turned the club around once again against a backlog of uncertainty, Yes the prince should thank his lucky stars that he has Wilder back in the drivers seat and along with parachute payments the club has pulled through but without the last promotion things could be oh so different . LUCKY LUCKY MAN
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No arguments from me, I never said he was perfect,
And Mr Wilder himself chose to leave the Club, he wasn't sacked ,
but who brought him back. ?
 
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