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It's about thirty years since Fergie transformed Man U from perennial underachievers to repeated champions and the first thing he did was to cut out the culture of heavy drinking. He told me this himself only last week, via the medium of TV.
I've no idea whether we have a drinking culture at the Lane but I find it hard to believe anyone is in favour of the players going out and getting lashed regularly, if indeed that's what they're doing.

I can't imagine that in twenty years we'll be hearing about Ronaldo having his transplanted kidney failing or Bale turning up at a hostage situation with some chicken and his fishing rods.

As supporters, we're very demanding but the only way the club is going to succeed is to throw away the 'second best' attitude some of our employees have and introduce a culture of excellence in everything we do. Getting hammered shouldn't be a part of that, cannot be a part of that.
I can't help but agree. Anthony Martial doesn't drink, he stays in with his missus and kid at home, very grown up lad I remember reading about him when he first signed him. He's only as young as our lot.
Is it just an English thing? You hear about the Germans celebrating Oktoberfest having a few steins, but that's it. I can't imagine Lahm and Gotze getting wrecked in Munich's answer to Carver Street after a match every weekend.
 

Given many of our performances this season, they should have all been in for training on the Sunday. Sunday can be set-piece day when they learn the secret magic of:

  • How to beat the first man when taking a corner
  • How to make a run to try and head a ball
  • How to head a ball towards a target
  • How to mark a man when they move away from you
  • How to stop an opponent getting a free header
  • How to track a run
  • How to catch
  • How to punch a ball properly through a crowd of players
  • How to avoid flapping at thin air
  • How to head a ball clear*

*this does not mean 8 yards to an opponent.
 
It's about thirty years since Fergie transformed Man U from perennial underachievers to repeated champions and the first thing he did was to cut out the culture of heavy drinking. He told me this himself only last week, via the medium of TV.
I've no idea whether we have a drinking culture at the Lane but I find it hard to believe anyone is in favour of the players going out and getting lashed regularly, if indeed that's what they're doing.

I can't imagine that in twenty years we'll be hearing about Ronaldo having his transplanted kidney failing or Bale turning up at a hostage situation with some chicken and his fishing rods.

As supporters, we're very demanding but the only way the club is going to succeed is to throw away the 'second best' attitude some of our employees have and introduce a culture of excellence in everything we do. Getting hammered shouldn't be a part of that, cannot be a part of that.
Fergie says what Fergie likes people to hear ,Ryan Giggs and Roy Keane will tell a completely different story. Young men need to socialise and have fun ,its what young men do ,Easy for Bale ,Ronaldo and Messi ,they are in a foreign climate with very little spare time. Footballers in Division 3 in England are a different animal in a different situation and I guarantee it wont affect performance on a pitch against Div 3 teams anywhere near the lack of talent will. It is not the reason we lost to Millwall ,and I doubt anyone would say anything if we had won. Live and let live ,anyway Im off for a pre match pint before 6 a side.
 
Given many of our performances this season, they should have all been in for training on the Sunday. Sunday can be set-piece day when they learn the secret magic of:

  • How to beat the first man when taking a corner
  • How to make a run to try and head a ball
  • How to head a ball towards a target
  • How to mark a man when they move away from you
  • How to stop an opponent getting a free header
  • How to track a run
  • How to catch
  • How to punch a ball properly through a crowd of players
  • How to avoid flapping at thin air
  • How to head a ball clear*

*this does not mean 8 yards to an opponent.
Collins heads straight up in the air in the opposition box and straight down to opponents feet in ours. If he could swap this round we might get somewhere.
 
Collins heads straight up in the air in the opposition box and straight down to opponents feet in ours. If he could swap this round we might get somewhere.

That's our third top scorer you're talking about..
 
Have named no names and have said nothing that isn't true. Think it would be very hard to build a case, don't you?

How on earth am I trolling too?
I have already said that it's just an opinion, and quite a few seem to agree with me. Are they trolls too?

Get a grip son.

Get a grip of what?

You've identified that you're witness to a serious drinking problem at the club. You've published this on the Internet, but you're not prepared to evidence it at all? Even though you've purportedly said "nothing that isn't true"? If you're going to publish something on the Internet, at the very least have the wherewithal to back it up.

At best it seems completely bizarre and at worst it is yet another unsubstantiated and vexatious attack on the club.
 
Fergie says what Fergie likes people to hear ,Ryan Giggs and Roy Keane will tell a completely different story. Young men need to socialise and have fun ,its what young men do ,Easy for Bale ,Ronaldo and Messi ,they are in a foreign climate with very little spare time. Footballers in Division 3 in England are a different animal in a different situation and I guarantee it wont affect performance on a pitch against Div 3 teams anywhere near the lack of talent will. It is not the reason we lost to Millwall ,and I doubt anyone would say anything if we had won. Live and let live ,anyway Im off for a pre match pint before 6 a side.
It's all about extremes though. I'm not advocating that players should take the pledge and the few nights Giggs etc enjoyed were unlikely to compete with the massive sessions Whiteside, McGrath etc were having. And yes, he kept Robson, who was reputed to be able to put away 20 pints a night and still be the best trainer at the club. Fergie was always a pragmatist.

I've nothing against players having the odd night out (although plenty in the game advise not being so local, especially when you lose) or having the odd drink.

If that's all they're doing, fine.

But personally, given their recent performances I'm struggling to find the inclination to defend the players. (Although it's not just us that have this problem. Several of the players recently shipped out of Spurs had questionable lifestyles, which may have affected their progress and explain why they failed to reach their potential. I know this because I know some of the employees of establishments they frequented and one of their exs).


Edit: have a good game.
 
I've never seen anything like it. Never have so many players been seen out drinking, especially after incredibly poor results and performances. It's a joke.
You obviously wasn't around in the 70s
Jimmy Johnson , John Mathews
 
I'm a live and let live kind of guy, but if they're serious they probably shouldn't be doing that, especially after a defeat at home.

I suppose there's an argument to say we're hardly competing at C. Ronaldo's level but we're not too hot at our own level either. If they take us up I'll gladly prop McNulty up while someone pours something tasty down his throat.

You might need some more substantial evidence than is on display in this thread to back up claims of a drinking culture though.

I'm reminded of this chap - bonus point to whoever guesses:

Sometimes his love of champagne and woman would cause him trouble with the board of directors.

"Luckily I lived near the stadium, and I managed to get there in a rush. My teammates and the coach looked at me disapprovingly. It was only five minutes before the kick-off, so I quickly changed and joined the team on the pitch. I could hear the directors saying: 'We'll deal with him after the match. We'll find out what he's been up to.' Luckily I scored a hat-trick so afterwards no one said a word!"

Incidents of the sort soon became common. In 19##, it was the day of the game against [rivals] at home with only an hour before the game and [he] had still not shown up. The directors became nervous and sent a masseuse and another trainer in a car to find him. They found him in bed, sleeping profoundly and snoring. Without even washing his face, they dragged him up and rushed him to the stadium. While lying down in the back seat [he] told them of love filled night and said he felt like a lion. The Lion entered the dressing room and without any squabbling, they quickly gave him his number 9 jersey. He scored two goals that game and was the best on the field. [His club] won the game 2–1 and beat [rivals] for the title by two points.
 
I'm a live and let live kind of guy, but if they're serious they probably shouldn't be doing that, especially after a defeat at home.

I suppose there's an argument to say we're hardly competing at C. Ronaldo's level but we're not too hot at our own level either. If they take us up I'll gladly prop McNulty up while someone pours something tasty down his throat.

You might need some more substantial evidence than is on display in this thread to back up claims of a drinking culture though.

I'm reminded of this chap - bonus point to whoever guesses:

Sometimes his love of champagne and woman would cause him trouble with the board of directors.

"Luckily I lived near the stadium, and I managed to get there in a rush. My teammates and the coach looked at me disapprovingly. It was only five minutes before the kick-off, so I quickly changed and joined the team on the pitch. I could hear the directors saying: 'We'll deal with him after the match. We'll find out what he's been up to.' Luckily I scored a hat-trick so afterwards no one said a word!"

Incidents of the sort soon became common. In 19##, it was the day of the game against [rivals] at home with only an hour before the game and [he] had still not shown up. The directors became nervous and sent a masseuse and another trainer in a car to find him. They found him in bed, sleeping profoundly and snoring. Without even washing his face, they dragged him up and rushed him to the stadium. While lying down in the back seat [he] told them of love filled night and said he felt like a lion. The Lion entered the dressing room and without any squabbling, they quickly gave him his number 9 jersey. He scored two goals that game and was the best on the field. [His club] won the game 2–1 and beat [rivals] for the title by two points.
It could be Robin Friday but I suspect it's someone more famous.
Wasn't Trevor Brooking was it?
 
Get a grip of what?

You've identified that you're witness to a serious drinking problem at the club. You've published this on the Internet, but you're not prepared to evidence it at all? Even though you've purportedly said "nothing that isn't true"? If you're going to publish something on the Internet, at the very least have the wherewithal to back it up.

At best it seems completely bizarre and at worst it is yet another unsubstantiated and vexatious attack on the club.
You'd be very very stupid to think that. And if you don't believe they're out every weekend go to carver street this Saturday night.

Vexatious is a good word though, despite how much bollocks it is.
 

Well I've been out in sheffield a few times and I've never, ever seen Messi or Ronaldo

although danny I may go to different boozers.
 
I've never seen anything like it. Never have so many players been seen out drinking, especially after incredibly poor results and performances. It's a joke.
You obviously wasn't around in the 70s
Jimmy Johnson , John Mathews
 
A lot of the players are early to mid-20s, so I've no problem with them going out once a week or so. I go out on a Friday whether ive had a good day at the office, or a bad one. As long as they behave and dont end up in situations like what Ched got into. If it does impact on the day job, e.g. means they are late for training, then Id expect punishment - as would be the case if we turned up late for our jobs due to boozing the night before.

I heard bits yesterday about the Saturday night and who was out on the town. Given the amount of players out, it sounds like they had permission. If there was any trouble and Adkins deems it a breach of discipline, we will know once the team sheet comes out for the Crewe game who has 'deselected' themselves. Although just getting kicked out of a club, may not be something that warrants such punishment.
 
I'm not going to complain to the club, no way. And I'm not going to name them like has been done previous.
I was just asking for opinions on this, is it okay, isn't it, etc?

Leaves a sour taste in my mouth but it is each to their own after all.
So name the feckless feckers so we can Boooooooo them :mad:
 
I'd suggest a good 25% of posters on here are permanently pissed based on the content of their posts.
I guarantee 100% of posters on here are not professional football players bleeding a high wage out of the club and fans pockets so they can be as pissed as they want
 
Wait, if players disgrace themselves we can terminate contracts can't we? This is a cunning plan, I like it. Let's make sure it's the right players though. Free drinks for the captain. Howard would just drop it anyway.
 
How things have changed - in 79 the Forest team had a massive piss up the night before the League Cup final, apparently Gemmill wanted to go to his bed and Cloughie made him stay. They won 3-2.
 

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