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Not sure if I like this or not, the idea of an 8th place team potentially (albeit unlikely) getting promoted to the Prem seems a bit daft.

Although I can see the plus size of it from a money point of view, less dead rubbers towards end of season with more teams having a chance to get into playoffs and then obviously more playoff games to shove on the telly as well.
 
If it's implemented this season we're in with a chance!!

Decent system to be fair, similar to AFL finals which favours teams finishing higher, to ultimately win the premiership.
 
jono_t2000 said:
Not sure if I like this or not, the idea of an 8th place team potentially (albeit unlikely) getting promoted to the Prem seems a bit daft.

Although I can see the plus size of it from a money point of view, less dead rubbers towards end of season with more teams having a chance to get into playoffs and then obviously more playoff games to shove on the telly as well.
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You have hit the nail on the head. MONEY POINT OF VIEW.
Surely it should be first past the post??
Over 46 games, top three are the best teams.
Someone finishing in 8th getting promoted?
Absolute joke.
 
If they going to change it up, it shoud be that 7th plays 4th, 6th plays 5th and winners out of each play each other in a 1 off game to get to Wembley to play 3rd place who gets bye to final.

I also think that league winners of chamionship should be placed in europa conference league rather than some random shit Cypriot team.

Or alternatively what could make it interesting iisa dramatic change up that 1-3 automatic promotion.

4-7 normal play off system (with a 4th promoted) & with a relegation play off 1 game match between 16th & 17th in prem, this allows the leagues to be more competitive and a chance for different teams to be competing in prem and money, it will also strengthen championship.
 
calcalcal said:
The proposal is better than the current system and the 3rd and 4th place sides have a clear advantage as it should be really
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Disagree. It isn't better than the current system, is just an extra match for the 5/6/7/8 team to navigate.

After that it's precisely the same as the current format.

If be in favour if the 2 legged semis were removed and replaced with a one of game at the team that finishes highest.

If also like to see the 3rd place team given the choice about who they play from the teams that remain. Or at least they pay the lowest placed team that made it through.

As seen last season there is very little advantage to finishing 3rd. It's time to correct that balance.
 
The thought that a team any team in the top 3rd can be promoted is ridiculous.

Its fine as it is, even though 6th is promoted is daft.

Can we have play off for relegation from the PL ? 2 down and any from the next 4 , thought not .
 
It's absolutely not broken, absolutely don't fix it.

I guess it works for the National League,as probably encourages investment and professionalism at that level. The Championship needs no tweaking except to have more of the players the Prem clubs have stockpiled.

Stop the stockpiling of players by Prem clubs and suddenly "competitiveness" issues will decrease for the Premier League.

Playoffs are great as they are, and already very generous to clubs that weren't good enough to finish Top 3 over the season.
 
Selly said:
Disagree. It isn't better than the current system, is just an extra match for the 5/6/7/8 team to navigate.

After that it's precisely the same as the current format.

If be in favour if the 2 legged semis were removed and replaced with a one of game at the team that finishes highest.

If also like to see the 3rd place team given the choice about who they play from the teams that remain. Or at least they pay the lowest placed team that made it through.

As seen last season there is very little advantage to finishing 3rd. It's time to correct that balance.
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Sorry youre right. I read it wrong. What it should be is

5 v 8
6 v 7

3 v 6 or 7
4 v 5 or 8

Home advantage always to the higher placed side. So long as its 2 legged it's a bit pointless and just about money
 
calcalcal said:
3 v 6 or 7
4 v 5 or 8
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I'd actually prefer it was

3 v 6 or 7 or 8 (whichever is the lowest ranked side)
4 vs 5 or 6 or 7 (whichever is the highest ranked side)

And because its an away game anyone winning in the 5 v8/6 v 7 games knows they will have an away game (so no home logistics in a what if scenario), and the teams in 3/4 know they have to prepare for a home game.

As I would see it you'd have the 5 v 8 & 6 v 7 games the weekend after the season finishes. And the 3 v ? and 4 v ? games the following midweek.

But this wouldn`t increase the number of playoff games which is in at least one of the reasons for this proposal. However it would make the games far far more entertaining.

Who, for example, was uncertain about the outcome of out home leg against Bristol city last season? How exciting are first legs generally? the answer is that they aren`t because either you know that this isn`t shit or bust - or you make the 2nd leg an effective dead rubber.

Make every game all or nothing.
 



Blademan89 said:
I also think that league winners of chamionship should be placed in europa conference league rather than some random shit Cypriot team.
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Random shit Cypriot team, Pafos, winners of the Cypriot cup the season before last played in the Europa conference league last season, went through the qualifiers and then into the proper phases. They did alright, made it to the round of 16 having played a total of 16 games.

Last season won their League, went through the long process of playing qualifiers last summer and then progressed into the group stage, missing out on the play offs on GD by 2 goal to Bodo / Glimt and 1 goal to Benfica as they progressed with their keeper scoring in the 90+8th min. Won 2, Drew 3 and Lost 3 (away to Chelsea and Juve, home to Bayern Munich). They were holding their own in most games.

Playing in the Conference League the previous season gave them the grounding to go on and tackle the Champions League this season and allowed them to bring in players like David Luiz. They played 14 Champions League games in total this season.

No Scottish sides made it that far last season, no Scottish sides made it to the Champions League group stages either... Maybe kick the random shit Scottish sides out of Europe instead
 
SwissBlade said:
Random shit Cypriot team, Pafos, winners of the Cypriot cup the season before last played in the Europa conference league last season, went through the qualifiers and then into the proper phases. They did alright, made it to the round of 16 having played a total of 16 games.

Last season won their League, went through the long process of playing qualifiers last summer and then progressed into the group stage, missing out on the play offs on GD by 2 goal to Bodo / Glimt and 1 goal to Benfica as they progressed with their keeper scoring in the 90+8th min. Won 2, Drew 3 and Lost 3 (away to Chelsea and Juve, home to Bayern Munich). They were holding their own in most games.

Playing in the Conference League the previous season gave them the grounding to go on and tackle the Champions League this season and allowed them to bring in players like David Luiz. They played 14 Champions League games in total this season.

No Scottish sides made it that far last season, no Scottish sides made it to the Champions League group stages either... Maybe kick the random shit Scottish sides out of Europe instead
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Still ranked well below chamionship but same thing, you get my drift.. these shit leagues shouldn't be in these competitions.
 
Blademan89 said:
Still ranked well below chamionship but same thing, you get my drift.. these shit leagues shouldn't be in these competitions.
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Drift isn't really got, to be honest.

There are other leagues ranked above the Championship, why don't they just get another team? And also there are plenty of teams in the PL that would better represent than the winner of the English second division
 
I’m old fashioned and think that the top 3 teams over a 9 month league should get automatic promotion.
However,my compromise has always been 3 in the playoffs.
The team that finishes 3rd goes straight to Wembley and 4th v 5th play home and away to get to final.
Hate it when a team that finishes 6th gets to the premier league
 
SwissBlade said:
Drift isn't really got, to be honest.

There are other leagues ranked above the Championship, why don't they just get another team? And also there are plenty of teams in the PL that would better represent than the winner of the English second division
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Well its to choose from teams across various leagues. Chosing higher ranked leagues makes the competition tougher.

Why should random team that would finish mid table in chamionship be in, just beacuse they won their league over the team that wins the chamionship.
 
Blademan89 said:
Well its to choose from teams across various leagues. Chosing higher ranked leagues makes the competition tougher.

Why should random team that would finish mid table in chamionship be in, just beacuse they won their league over the team that wins the chamionship.
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Because that's how the tournaments work... I actually think that giving more places to Leagues which have more money is a negative.

I'd rather see the winners and cup winners of each nation get entered automatically and then the runners up and next places go into the qualifiers rather than favour countries with mega TV deals in place.

That would strengthen all leagues not just the leagues with the most TV revenue.
 
if it gets rid of the 2 leg matches. & reverts to 1 off. with the higher placed team getting home advantage

but im guessing the last few years wouldve looked like this
2025
Bristol city v blackburn
Coventry v millwall

Sheff utd v winner of Eliminatior 1
Sunderland v winner of Eliminatior 2

2024
Norwich V Hull
West Brom V Middlesbrough

Leeds v winner of Eliminatior 1
Southampton v winner of Eliminatior 2

2023
Sunderland v blackburn
Coventry v millwall

Luton v winner of Eliminatior 1
Middlesboro v winner of Eliminatior 1

2022
Luton v Middlesboro
Sheff Utd V Blackburn

Huddersfield v winner of Eliminatior 1
Notts Forest v winner of Eliminatior 1
 
If the argument for the playoffs is that it keeps the season alive, something to play for etc. etc. then surely that argument could be applied to relegation as well.

Have some format for clubs that finish between 19th and 22nd.
So team that finished 19th could still be relegated at the end of the season.

Everyone would say, oh no, can't have that, not fair, etc. but then how is it fair a club that can finish in 6th place maybe 20 points behind third can get promoted instead?

Obviously it would be a slightly different format, but concept is the same...
 
sheepbridge said:
If the argument for the playoffs is that it keeps the season alive, something to play for etc. etc. then surely that argument could be applied to relegation as well.

Have some format for clubs that finish between 19th and 22nd.
So team that finished 19th could still be relegated at the end of the season.

Everyone would say, oh no, can't have that, not fair, etc. but then how is it fair a club that can finish in 6th place maybe 20 points behind third can get promoted instead?

Obviously it would be a slightly different format, but concept is the same...
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That would have severe consequences for player contracts. Mid-table sides in the Championship would be even less able to offer decent contracts to players, because of the increased jeapardy of going down to League 1. This would make the gap between the Premier League and the Championship even wider - something that would utterly ruin football.
 
jono_t2000 said:
Not sure if I like this or not, the idea of an 8th place team potentially (albeit unlikely) getting promoted to the Prem seems a bit daft.

Although I can see the plus size of it from a money point of view, less dead rubbers towards end of season with more teams having a chance to get into playoffs and then obviously more playoff games to shove on the telly as well.
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I’d prefer it if only the champions went up automatically, then have 2nd v 7th, 3rd v 6th and 4th v 5th.

In theory it might increase the number of ‘parachute’ clubs in the league at any time and prevent the situation last year where two teams run off with 100+ points.

Dont mind a shake up to the format, it means there’s a new, interesting way for us to cock it up.
 
Geordie Blade said:
That would have severe consequences for player contracts. Mid-table sides in the Championship would be even less able to offer decent contracts to players, because of the increased jeapardy of going down to League 1. This would make the gap between the Premier League and the Championship even wider - something that would utterly ruin football.
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I would argue football isn't far off being ruined already.

Two of the promoted teams this year have done extremely well in the Premier League so far, but I honestly believe this is now the exception to the norm, and it's still quite possible two of the promoted teams will be relegated again immediately.

And if say Wolves and West Ham are relegated, they'll have fantastic squads next year, even if they do lose some players, but for very big money.
Burnley will be up there again as well, they seem to inhabit some twilight zone between the Championship and Premier League now.

Perhaps part of the problem is that mid-table Championship teams are offering decent contracts that they can't actually afford in the hope of making it to the promised land and is why so many clubs are now in financial trouble.

This is why clubs are now discussing widening the Playoffs to more teams. They want it because they know it gives them more opportunity to get promoted. Basically a 1 in 3 chance of being in a spot that could lead to promotion. It's probably going to make the situation worse as more / most clubs in January think they could be in the playoffs and so they had better spend money they haven't really got.
 



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