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Yea I was there till the end.
Lundstrum made himself available passed the ball well and made some telling challengers notebly the one which ended in the second goal.
I ain’t got my knife in Carruthers but he loses possession in vital positions resulting putting us under the cosh.
 
Carruthers would maybe help with the "tempo" problem CW mentioned, so Carruthers. But nowt against Lundstram, & thought he played well in trying circumstances yesterday.
 
I'd play the Wendy formation with Lundstram instead of Coutts and Bash in midfield if Baldock is back, just while he gets some games under his belt. Gives him a bit of defensive cover.

One of Brooks Duffy Carruthers behind Leon
 
Yea I was there till the end.
Lundstrum made himself available passed the ball well and made some telling challengers notebly the one which ended in the second goal.
I ain’t got my knife in Carruthers but he loses possession in vital positions resulting putting us under the cosh.
Yea I was there till the end.
Lundstrum made himself available passed the ball well and made some telling challengers notebly the one which ended in the second goal.
I ain’t got my knife in Carruthers but he loses possession in vital positions resulting putting us under the cosh.

Yeah but thats cause he has been played where you lose the ball more
 
I think Lundstrum is more of a “bread and butter” player. More solid and consistent.
Where as Carruthers is more of a “fancy dan” player, a bit like his mate Baldock, very talented with tricks and flicks.

I’d probably edge towards Carruthers because he’s got more flair and is pleasing on the eye.

However Wilder probably thinks that with the creative Duffy in midfield we need more steel and solidity in midfield.
Hence why he’s going for the safer option of Lundstrum which is fair enough.

What fucking steel or solidity? Sorry for the exasperation. He just isn't at the races to me.
 
different roles within the team......Carruthers did really well last night.....but he is competition for Duffy not Lundstram. Lundstram did okay.......he needs more time and support

And what support do you suggest he needs? Go on lad? GLTTL. Keep going lad tha'll come good. Don't worry lad we've got some time to work yourself into the side. How long do we wait for him? We waited too long for Simmonsen!
 
Lundstram seem out of his depth. Prefers the long ball instead of passing through the middle. Our Speed of passing didn't help though until Carruthers came on, Fleck and possibly Duffy before Sessognon ludicrous attempted tackle took him out near the end of the first half ended Duffy's free flowing movement came to a shuddering halt. Rumours from Burton were Fulham were looking at Lundstram, was sat next to a Fulham scout doing reports on Couttsy's replacement.
 
Carruthers is a front foot player. He hasn't got the discipline to fill the more defensive role. Leon is better than Blackman but I don't want him going in goal

Carruthers should definitely battle Duffy for the 'free role' though. You just have to realise he won't run back and adapt accordingly
 
Also thought Lundstrum was decent last night, not great but certainly not poor.
I’ve no complaints, he’s a solid player with good allround ability

It’s just that he doesn’t have the class of Coutts or the skill and dribbling talent of Carruthers.
It’s early days so far. Many wrote off Coutts and Leon, so no one should write off Lundstrum yet.
I’ll go with whatever Wilder decides, he knows best.

When Coutts first signed for us even he didn’t have the class of Coutts (if that makes any sort of sense). I also remember that Jamie Murphy got a lot of stick and then he turned out to be our best player, with absolute uproar on here when he was sold. That’s just two examples, I’m sure there are many more.

What I’m trying to say is that people should give him time. Give him chance to get into the swing of things.
 



The best way of filling the huge gap left by Coutts is to tweak the system slightly. The answer is to play them both. We could do this by either dropping a striker (like at the sty) or changing to a back 4. Like this:

Baldock - Bash - CCV - JOC - Stevens
------------Samir Lundstram Fleck
-------------------------Duffy
------------------------Clarke

OR

Baldock - CCV - JOC - Stevens
------------------Lundstram
---------------Samir ----- Fleck
---------------------Duffy
-------------Sharp --- Clarke
 
I'll chuck this stat at you,when Lundstram has been picked to start a game these are the results,there is a pattern emerging for all to see,play him and we are likely to lose.

Sheff Utd 3 - 2 Walsall
Sheff Utd 1 - 4 Leicester
Nottm Forest 2 - 1 Sheff Utd
QPR 1 - 0 Sheff Utd
Sheff Utd
4 - 5 Fulham

I'll chuck this stat at you,when Carruthers has been picked to start a game these are the results,there is a pattern emerging for all to see,play him and we are likely to lose.

Sheff Utd 1 - 0 Brentford
Middlesbro 1 - 0 Sheff Utd
Cardiff 2 - 0 Sheff Utd
Sheff Utd
1 - 4 Leicester

Not much between them,both have scored a goal,but i will choose Carruthers.
 
I don't know. Is he good enough defensively? He can hold the ball, is that the main thing we need? I mean, Coutts isn't exactly a midfield destroyer anyway.

Lundstram could do with a run of games and I reckon he'd be extremely solid. He was okay last night, definitely not his fault.

I don't know what the best option is. But our manager will find it.

Totally different players. It’s not either/or.

Lundstram is a defensive holding player. Carruthers is an attacking creative spark.

How can anyone not see that?
 
So it’s ok to lose the ball regular as an attacking midfielder exposing the rest of the midfield and defence:eek:
He didnt lose the ball when he glided past 2 players and shot to score did he , and yes hes obviously much more likely to lose the ball as an attacking midfielder.
 
People are underestimating the defensive work Coutts did in this team. Second most tackles per game in the whole squad, joint most interceptions. Increasingly he has played the role of a screen in front of the back three. He's not like Fleck in that respect, who is much more willing to drive forward with the ball and get into attacking positions.

We need to replace like for like, and that means *not* Carruthers. Lunny hasn't impressed me a right lot but he was better against Fulham. Wilder obviously rates him highly and to me that means he's doing it in training.

I like our attacking ways but a midfield three of Carruthers, Fleck and Duffy is too rich for my blood.
 
Regards Carruthers solely being an attacking midfielder, wasn't that what Couttsy was till Wilder got him playing that "orchestrator" role?
 

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