People calling for wilder to go…

[Davalon]

Prepare for fans fighting amongst themselves next

Yeah, that's my fear if we lose in the play offs, be it at the Lane or Wembley

 

[nopigfansintown]

It's clearly obvious that a good proportion of fans don't have the same support for Wilder that they have previously.

In my experience that's not just down to the 'back door', it's more cumulative.

We're going to finish higher than I anticipated at the start of the season but I was still hoping play offs. Our points return will be very good if as expected we finish third.

The issue though is what happens here and now. We've limped to many victories this season against teams further down the league so it's not surprising we've been edged out in some too. The facts are though that we've capitulated in three games with poor performances and some questionable selections when 9 points should have been in our grasp. The frustrating part is that just a very disappointing 3 would still have it in our own hands.

In my circle even the most staunch Wilder supporters are now severely questioning him and not just based on the results.

The reality is he now really divides our support. It's not about being right or wrong, it's a clear fact.

Even if he manages to guide us through the play offs, which he'll deserve enormous credit for, I think a good proportion of fans will still not be convinced about him taking us forward.

And let's cut to the chase, imho if the current circumstances were being managed by AN Other from London or France, some of those vehemently supporting Wilder, wouldn't be.

I think the exact opposite to your final paragraph is the case. If it was Christophe Wilderparte managing us rather than Chris Wilder the fans would be 100% behind Wilder. As it is I wouldn't use this board as any guide. It's a place where hyperbole rules the way. Extreme opinions that aren't representative of the majority of Blades fans. I'm yet to meet a Blade that doesn't think we're having a great season.

 

[bertieblade]

Could call him Joe Bloggs and it will not make a blind bit of difference.
I have lost all my respect for him as a manager as he had no respect for anyone other than himself.
My way or the highway is how one of his mates described him, which is ok if things are going well. As things are at the moment they are not so change things, listen to your coaching staff.
When he first took over he was always talking to knill on the sidelines, they never discuss things now as Wilder cannot be told anything.

 

[vas borbokis]

Parker has arguably done a better job with a similar or bigger rebuild to carry out.

Hopefully we will have learned from the mistakes we made by not backing Slav & giving him time. If “instant success” is dragging us up to be an embarrassment next season, I don’t want it. Let’s build something worthwhile and fit for the future, it’s time to move on from the same old. I don’t think the new owners are here to appease a bunch of old blokes mired in the past so I’m hoping they’ll be of similar mind. At some point the fans, very divided at the moment, are going to need to coalesce around a vision for the club, and new ownership brings that opportunity. Some will still be left in the past, afraid of change, but that can’t be helped.

Nutcase post. Slav plus a massive budget maybe. We've had nowt to spend till Jan and in Jan we were running on fumes. The 3 losses have fucked us over at the run in but that aside we've over achieved hugely and I doubt we would be anywhere near autos with any other manager you could name who'd come and work under the restrictions we've had. Grass isn't greener over the fence. You don't chuck out a manager that has you competing for promotion. Folk need to get their heads straight!

 

[nopigfansintown]

Could call him Joe Bloggs and it will not make a blind bit of difference.
I have lost all my respect for him as a manager as he had no respect for anyone other than himself.
My way or the highway is how one of his mates described him, which is ok if things are going well. As things are at the moment they are not so change things, listen to your coaching staff.
When he first took over he was always talking to knill on the sidelines, they never discuss things now as Wilder cannot be told anything.

You could see them talking to each other at Oxford and Plymouth and Cardiff. For quite a while at half time at Plymouth. I don't know why people make things up.

 

[bertieblade]

I must have missed it then apologies

 

[Slugger]

Could call him Joe Bloggs and it will not make a blind bit of difference.
I have lost all my respect for him as a manager as he had no respect for anyone other than himself.
My way or the highway is how one of his mates described him, which is ok if things are going well. As things are at the moment they are not so change things, listen to your coaching staff.
When he first took over he was always talking to knill on the sidelines, they never discuss things now as Wilder cannot be told anything.

"he had no respect for anyone other than himself.
My way or the highway is how one of his mates described him,"

Why do you think this?
Have you a link or anything for that description from "one of his mates"

This isn't particularly directed at you but I'm finding the very personal criticism of Wilder very distasteful.

His tactics, selections, game management, transfers etc are fair game but some of the stuff written on these pages is well out of order.

 

[Silky Sabella]

These two posts pretty much mirror our pre match discussions about Wilder yesterday, when we had a pretty much common consensus that

1) No one was desperate to see Wilder pushed out of the door
2) The football this season has been turgid, which we can live with when we're winning consistently but it becomes a real issue when we're not.
3) Our disciplinary record for "failing to control our players" is horrendous, and that comes from the top. The team is built in the image of Wilder and it's neither professional nor pleasant. We have already had fines running into hundreds of thousands of pounds and there's another one on the way following the Plymouth debacle. If we were the owners we wouldn't stand for that. It's a lot of wasted money and reflects badly on the club.
4) As a result of the above points, whilst no one was agitating for instant dismissal, no one would be sorry to see him go either.

The general consensus was he has had his day and if the club is going to compete at a higher level then it needs a "culture" reset of a type that Chris is not capable of delivering.

So if we we're the owners he'd be gone at the end of the season which ever division we're in, but he'd be gone with our grateful thanks for his past efforts and would always be welcome back at the Lane. The club is bigger than him and it has to progress or it will go backwards. There's no room for standing still in business as that leads to inevitable decline.

Worded perfectly to a tee

 

[bertieblade]

I’ll do what I like, thanks - I don’t take instructions from you.

I was responding to the proposition that Wilder selected Cannon in order to put his own interests ahead of those of SUFC. That assertion was all about the player or the club. I don’t believe that Wilder put the player (ie his own interests) above the club.

I was surprised and disappointed that Wilder chose Cannon ahead of Tyrese, and was frustrated at how late the latter came on as a substitute. However, Campbell looks tired in recent games, and hardly covered himself in glory with a good chance ( although at least he had one, which is more than can be said for Cannon). He’s also had a hell of a week off field. It’s just possible that Wilder is aware of things that we aren’t. Either way, we cocked up and lost a game we needed to win - and that’s down to everybody on the field, the coaching staff and the manager.

That’s my view, and I’ll express it whether you like it or not.

"he had no respect for anyone other than himself.
My way or the highway is how one of his mates described him,"

Why do you think this?
Have you a link or anything for that description from "one of his mates"

This isn't particularly directed at you but I'm finding the very personal criticism of Wilder very distasteful.

His tactics, selections, game management, transfers etc are fair game but some of the stuff written on these pages is well out of order.

I know people who drink with him

 

[Nick Jansky]

"he had no respect for anyone other than himself.
My way or the highway is how one of his mates described him,"

Why do you think this?
Have you a link or anything for that description from "one of his mates"

This isn't particularly directed at you but I'm finding the very personal criticism of Wilder very distasteful.

His tactics, selections, game management, transfers etc are fair game but some of the stuff written on these pages is well out of order.

It is perfectly valid for people to comment on how he chooses to conduct himself in public and things that he says because it reflects on how the club is perceived.

 

[PrestwichBlade]

It is perfectly valid for people to comment on how he chooses to conduct himself in public and things that he says because it reflects on how the club is perceived.

Exactly. I was thinking of a response myself, but you've done it for me!

 

[nopigfansintown]

"he had no respect for anyone other than himself.
My way or the highway is how one of his mates described him,"

Why do you think this?
Have you a link or anything for that description from "one of his mates"

This isn't particularly directed at you but I'm finding the very personal criticism of Wilder very distasteful.

His tactics, selections, game management, transfers etc are fair game but some of the stuff written on these pages is well out of order.

A Blades legend no less. It makes me wonder if the same people will be going to Bashes bash to abuse our ex playing legends. If it's good enough for Wilder it's good enough for them surely?!

 

[Lane Ender]

I'd rather we had 20k actual supporters in the ground rather than 20k supporters and 7k moaners as we seem to have now.

Are people forgetting Adkins? Clough? Blackwell? Adams? Robson? Peters? Weir?

I honestly don't think that the football is any worse than any time I have been watching the Blades. And it is far better than many teams we've had in the past.

Keep clapping

 

[Lane Ender]

You listed a number of areas of superiority to the Pigs, not just beating them. Looked like the primary reason you’re clapping to me. To be fair, you also mentioned being in the top 3, but we should be with our wage bill & quality.

If you’re enjoying what we’ve been watching this season that’s fine, maybe others are a bit more discerning and like to be entertained. It’s been turgid.

First time ever I’ve never watched a second half of a Blades game yesterday thought fuck this and carried on boozing

 

[ghandi]

If you were the manager, what changes would you make?

I'd resign my position.

 

[Lane Ender]

I'd resign my position.

Yes please with immediate effect

 

[Sean Thornton]

A Blades legend no less. It makes me wonder if the same people will be going to Bashes bash to abuse our ex playing legends. If it's good enough for Wilder it's good enough for them surely?!

You talk about hyperbole and come out with that?

 

[Carlton Blade]

I think the exact opposite to your final paragraph is the case. If it was Christophe Wilderparte managing us rather than Chris Wilder the fans would be 100% behind Wilder. As it is I wouldn't use this board as any guide. It's a place where hyperbole rules the way. Extreme opinions that aren't representative of the majority of Blades fans. I'm yet to meet a Blade that doesn't think we're having a great season.

Almost every United fan I know says "yeah, I'm glad we are competing but the football is abysmal to watch"

 

[Broomhall Blade]

Being in the top 3 all season and doing the double over the pigs isn't enough? We should be beating them easier, and playing like Real Madrid in all our games?

No club in this division plays entertaining football every game. There are 23 clubs in the Championship. None of them has a right to challenge for promotion. All but a couple would gladly trade places with us. We aren't Liverpool or Man U. We're a club that's a similar size to Derby or Stoke. We could be in League One, along with Birmingham and Bolton.

As mentioned, I've watched the Blades for 45 years and am currently experiencing one of the best times to be a Blade. Dominance over our neighbours, higher crowds than them, a better stadium, challenging for promotion. It really doesn't get much better. I worry about our fanbase, as the older ones leave us and the "entitled, me now" generation become the majority.

Just enjoy the good times. Football can be boring at times, or can be fantastic. Same with all clubs. If a move comes off or we get a break and score a goal it can be fantastic. Sometimes it can be dull. Our football is no worse than any other team in this division, and no worse than we played under Warnock or Basset. If people don't like it there are plenty of other things to do instead. Go to the ice hockey instead, where it's non-stop action.

Dominance over our neighbours is irrelevant i personally couldn't care less, I would rather be playing in the Premiership than having done the double over them.
Football has changed dramatically from the Bassett & Warnock years, unfortunately United haven't.

 

[54yrblade]

Almost every United fan I know says "yeah, I'm glad we are competing but the football is abysmal to watch"

And the atmosphere, such as it is, is really poor as a result. 3rd in the league and even that can't get us up for games

 

[Carlton Blade]

And the atmosphere, such as it is, is really poor as a result. 3rd in the league and even that can't get us up for games

It's not new anymore. Neither was it wildly unexpected once the squad had been put together. Based on parachute payments and having Hamer, Souza etc to build from, it's been a par season

 

[Houston_Blade]

It’s not my job to be identifying a DoF or a manager, but I am on record here as stating that I believe we missed a massive opportunity by not taking Rosenior when the opportunity was there. I want a forward thinking head coach of his ilk, or an Iraola/Hurzeler/Frank type. They are out there.

I don’t need to re-list all the reasons that I don’t rate Wilder, that’s already been done to death, but there are a lot. These include, but are not limited to, his prioritisation of signing Cannon over a quality Souttar replacement; his persistence with playing Robinson as a result of that failure; his obsession with British players and “pashun”; his parochialism; his cowardly football; his tactical ineptitude; playing square pegs in round holes (BBD on the right??? Burrows in CM?????); the unprofessional way in which he conducts himself; the failure to control our players; his insistence that winning is all that counts until we’re losing, then suddenly “70% possession” means that everything’s ok.

Couldn’t have put it better myself

 

[Slugger]

It is perfectly valid for people to comment on how he chooses to conduct himself in public and things that he says because it reflects on how the club is perceived.

I never said it wasn't valid. I said I found the very personal criticism distasteful.

We all have our different opinions on where the line should be drawn.

"Wilder is a fucking idiot for picking X" I'm absolutely fine with.

"Wilder is a Peroni-soaked tramp" I'm definitely not fine with

 

[Pollingtonblade]

I never said it wasn't valid. I said I found the very personal criticism distasteful.

We all have our different opinions on where the line should be drawn.

"Wilder is a fucking idiot for picking X" I'm absolutely fine with.

"Wilder is a Peroni-soaked tramp" I'm definitely not fine with

Yeah, he drinks Madri these days.

 

[Toronto Blade]

Yeah, he drinks Madri these days.

I see Hecky after Preston's loss to QPR said" I'd like to throw a bomb under the lot and start again." I guess he isn't too fond of his players.

 

[Carlton Blade]

I never said it wasn't valid. I said I found the very personal criticism distasteful.

We all have our different opinions on where the line should be drawn.

"Wilder is a fucking idiot for picking X" I'm absolutely fine with.

"Wilder is a Peroni-soaked tramp" I'm definitely not fine with

The personal insults of players and managers is ridiculous. Same with people screaming in their faces. When people talk about fans being 'entitled', this is what I think of. They aren't your mates, they don't know you.

 

[Nick Jansky]

The personal insults of players and managers is ridiculous. Same with people screaming in their faces. When people talk about fans being 'entitled', this is what I think of. They aren't your mates, they don't know you.

Some people have little in their lives apart from the Blades (and, in many cases, and not unconnected, they also self medicate) and they take it all VERY personally and struggle to keep it in perspective. Not their fault, but you can see how it happens.

 

[Frank the tank]

Funny that some managers can have some success elsewhere but not here.
We could put this to the test and bring in the biggest manager we can afford who has a proven track record. And watch him fall on his arse.

It shouldn't be difficult to afford him because Wilder won't be wasting £10 -£20 million on the next player who doesn't fit into our "special" way of playing
I've always said that this club in unmanageable by anybody except a fan, it's a special needs club that is retarded with learning difficulties, only a fan can understand how it works.

Well reading your post on here I'd certainly agree with the last paragraph

 

[Sean Thornton]

Yeah, he drinks Madri these days.

Just screams council……..

 

[Upton_Blade]

Luckily you are not the owners - Thank The Lord..

Your avatar is so accurate .